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801  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is it. This is the watershed event for decentralized social media on: April 10, 2019, 01:42:44 AM
The existence of a competing centralized service is a "watershed event for decentralized social media"?

Dlive, like most of this garbage, is a centralized company which has brainlessly shoe-horned "blockchain" into what they're doing. Their infrastructure is centralized, they have rules which among other things prohibit "hate speech", and their lino coin is 100% centralized in both operation and distribution.

A proper decentralized social network or streaming site is possible, but it should either not have any blockchain stuff at all, or this should be a sort of side feature. It'd look like Freenet or I2P, not like Bitcoin.
802  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcointalk.org creator? on: April 09, 2019, 08:49:16 AM
Are you sure about that date? admin account "u=1"[Date Registered:   November 18, 2009, 01:12:33 AM] Has Satoshi created it?

The forum was opened to the public on Nov 22.

I guessed you can blame Bitcointalk's terrible webpage on not having actual reliable sources, you cannot even see BCT links as cited sources for the page. I have read it before that Wikipedia don't count forum posts and links as a reliable source for the web page that is why you can only see others reference links outside of the forum, which is pretty surprising to me as they counted a cointelegraph article as "reliable" source for the page. If they do want an accurate history of Bitcointalk they'll be citing theymos' reply here in your thread.

Yeah, apparently bitcointalk.org links are banned, which is ridiculous.
803  Other / Meta / Re: Security deposits for Bounty threads on: April 09, 2019, 05:46:33 AM
forum will never hold users fund and forum will never moderate scam or likely scam.

Correct.

I haven't put much thought into it, but something that might at least be acceptable would be to let anyone register as an "accreditor", and give them the ability to have their "seal of approval" or whatever added to threads. Different accreditors could have different standards, fees, etc., and good ones would build a good reputation. There are still many problems with that, though, and I'm not sure that it's worth the trouble.
804  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: April 09, 2019, 05:37:45 AM
This thought occurred to me recently:

If you wanted to implement Merit in a decentralized forum (ie. one in the vein of Freenet's Frost or FMS), you could do it in this way:
 - Everyone can, from their own perspective, give unlimited merit to posts, and these merit transactions are put into files which each user publishes via the decentralized system. (Like a merit.txt.xz which every user publishes.) Unlike on bitcointalk.org, you can also give people merit without an associated post.
 - For everyone who has merit, you download their merit-transactions-list, but scale down/up all of the numbers so that the total merit that they send is equal to the actual sMerit that they own. It might or might not be useful to do this via some sliding time frame scheme so that merit transaction amounts aren't just continually diminished over time as they increase in quantity.
 - Apply the above step recursively, creating a web-of-trust-style merit network

Then every user has a subjective merit score for each post (sort of like the bitcointalk.org trust system, which was inspired by FMS). And if you wish, you can assign people to be merit sources from your perspective by sending them large amounts of merit directly; these might or might not appear in the merit-transactions-list which you publish.
805  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcointalk.org creator? on: April 09, 2019, 05:05:22 AM
The control was transferred to theymos around 2010 and he is the only owner and running the Bitcointalk effectively.

It's surprising how well-documented history can become totally forgotten... Satoshi created the forum on Nov 22, 2009, and was head administrator until almost 2011. Then Sirius was head administrator until 2012, which is when I took over.

Cobra also owns the bitcointalk.org domain name. I consider the forum to be basically owned by or at least dedicated to the Bitcoin community, though; I don't call anyone an owner of the forum.

That wiki article is kind of terrible...
806  Economy / Auctions / Advertise on this forum - Round 274 on: April 08, 2019, 07:23:59 PM
The forum sells ad space in the area beneath the first post of every topic page. This income is used primarily to cover hosting costs and to pay moderators for their work (there are many moderators, so each moderator gets only a small amount -- moderators should be seen as volunteers, not employees). Any leftover amount is typically either saved for future expenses or otherwise reinvested into the forum or the ecosystem.

Ads are allowed to contain any non-annoying HTML/CSS style. No images, JavaScript, or animation. Ads must appear 3 or fewer lines tall in my browser (Firefox, 900px wide). Ad text may not contain lies, misrepresentation, or inappropriate language. Ads may not link directly to any NSFW page. No ICOs[1], banks, funds, or anything else that a person can be said to "invest" in; I may very rarely make exceptions if you convince me that you are ultra legit, but don't count on it. Ads may be rejected for other reasons, and I may remove ads even after they are accepted.

There are 10 total ad slots which are randomly rotated. So one ad slot has a one in ten chance of appearing. Nine of the slots are for sale here. Ads appear only on topic pages with more than one post, and only for people using the default theme.

Duration

- Your ads are guaranteed to be up for at least 7 days.
- I usually try to keep ads up for no more than 8 or 9 days.
- Sometimes ads might be up for longer, but hopefully no longer than 12 days. Even if past rounds sometimes lasted for long periods of time, you should not rely on this for your ads.

Stats

Exact historical impression counts per slot:
https://bitcointalk.org/adrotate.php?adstats

Info about the current ad slots:
https://bitcointalk.org/adrotate.php?adinfo

Ad blocking

Hero/Legendary members, Donators, VIPs, and moderators have the ability to disable ads. I don't expect many people to use this option. These people don't increase the impression stats for your ads.

I try to bypass Adblock Plus filters as much as possible, though this is not guaranteed. It is difficult or impossible for ABP filters to block the ad space itself without blocking posts. However, filters can match against the URLs in your links, your CSS classes and style attributes, and the HTML structure of your ads.

To prevent matches against URLs: I have some JavaScript which fixes links blocked by ABP. You must tell me if you want this for your ads. When someone with ABP and JavaScript enabled views your ads, your links are changed to a special randomized bitcointalk.org URL which redirects to your site when visited. People without ABP are unaffected, even if they don't have JavaScript enabled. The downsides are:
- ABP users will see the redirection link when they hover over the link, even if they disable ABP for the forum.
- Getting referral stats might become even more difficult.
- Some users might get a warning when redirecting from https to http.

To prevent matching on CSS classes/styles: Don't use inline CSS. I can give your ad a CSS class that is randomized on each pageload, but you must request this.

To prevent matching against your HTML structure: Use only one <a> and no other tags if possible. If your ads get blocked because of matching done on something inside of your ad, you are responsible for noticing this and giving me new ad HTML.

Designing ads

Make sure that your ads look good when you download and edit this test page:
https://bitcointalk.org/ad_test.html
Also read the comments in that file.

Images are not allowed no matter how they are created (CSS, SVG, or data URI). Occasionally I will make an exception for small logos and such, but you must get pre-approval from me first.

The maximum size of any one ad is 51200 bytes.

I will send you more detailed styling rules if you win slots in this auction (or upon request).

Auction rules

You must be at least a Jr Member to bid. If you are not a Jr Member and you really want to bid, you should PM me first. Tell me in the PM what you're going to advertise. You might be required to pay some amount in advance. Everyone else: Please quickly PM newbies who try to bid here to warn them against impersonation scammers.

If you have never purchased forum ad space before, and it is not blatantly obvious what you're going to advertise, say what you're going to advertise in your first bid, or tell me in a PM.

Post your bids in this thread. Prices must be stated in BTC per slot. You must state the maximum number of slots you want. When the auction ends, the highest bidders will have their slots filled until all nine slots are filled.

So if someone bids for 9 slots @ 5 BTC and this is the highest bid, then he'll get all 9 slots. If the two highest bids are 9 slots @ 4 BTC and 1 slot @ 5 BTC, then the first person will get 8 slots and the second person will get 1 slot.

The notation "2 @ 5" means 2 slots for 5 BTC each. Not 2 slots for 5 BTC total.

- When you post a bid, the bids in your previous posts are considered to be automatically canceled. You can put multiple bids in one post, however.
- All bid prices must be evenly divisible by 0.02.
- The bidding starts at 0.02.
- I will end the auction at an arbitrary time. Unless I say otherwise, I typically try to end auctions within a few days of 10 days from the time of this post, but unexpected circumstances may sometimes force me to end the auction anytime between 4 and 22 days from the start. I have a small bias toward ending auctions on Fridays, Sundays, and Mondays.
- If two people bid at the same price, the person who bid first will have his slots filled first.
- Bids are considered invalid and will be ignored if they do not specify both a price and a max quantity, or if they could not possibly win any slots

If these rules are confusing, look at some of the past forum ad auctions to see how it's done.

I reserve the right to reject bids, even days after the bid is made.

Price flattening

At the end of the auction, after the winning bids are all determined, I will do a "price flattening" operation. This has no effect on which bids actually win. For each bid, in order of lowest to greatest price/slot, I will reduce each bid's price/slot to the highest value which is equal to or only the minimum increment greater than the next-lower bid. This allows you to bid higher prices without worrying so much, but you still mustn't bid more than you're willing to pay. Example:

Code:
This:
Slots  BTC/Slot  Person
    6      0.20       A
    1      0.16       B
    1      0.08       C
    1      0.08       D

Becomes:
Slots  BTC/Slot  Person
    6      0.12       A [step 4: reduced to 0.10+0.02=0.12]
    1      0.10       B [step 3: reduced to 0.08+0.02=0.10]
    1      0.08       C [step 2: same as the next-lowest, unchanged]
    1      0.08       D [step 1: the lowest bid is always unchanged]

Payment, etc.

You must pay for your slots within 24 hours of receiving the payment address. Otherwise your slots may be sold to someone else, and I might even give you a negative trust rating. I will send you the payment information via forum PM from this account ("theymos", user ID 35) after announcing the auction results in this thread. You might receive false payment information from scammers pretending to be me. They might even have somewhat similar usernames. Be careful.

[1]: For the purposes of forum ads, an ICO is any token, altcoin, or other altcoin-like thing which meets any of the following criteria: it is primarily run/backed by a company; it is substantially, fundamentally centralized in either operation or coin distribution; or it is not yet possible for two unprivileged users of the system to send coins directly to each other in a P2P way. The intention here is to allow community efforts to advertise things like Litecoin, but not to allow ICO funding, even when the ICO is disguised in various ways.
807  Economy / Auctions / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 273 on: April 08, 2019, 07:19:24 PM
4 @ 0.03 for (Crypto Wallet Arax.io)

Invalid increment.

Auction ended, final result:
Slots BTC/Slot Person
4 0.06 lightlord
1 0.04 BoXXoB
3 0.04 SwC_Poker
1 0.04 globtroter
808  Other / Meta / Re: User got voted into DT1 by sockpuppets on: April 06, 2019, 10:56:58 PM
I see no particular evidence of Bazinga442 being an alt, but the other six five (edit: zin-zang may not be part of this circle) are all the same person. They will be blacklisted from the DT selection system in the future. Haven't decided whether this abuse warrants a forum ban.

How did they get 10 merit? (I don't have time to look into this right now.)

10 merit is difficult enough IMO. I don't want it to be too difficult. Any other suggestions? We could just keep an eye on it and respond reactively to cases like this.


Edit:

After some investigation, this is a circle of 58 accounts, most of which have 10+ merit. IDs:
2061631
1658865
1609508
1586656
1586585
1586551
1586457
1586404
1575750
1575704
1325707
1325699
1325681
1325665
1325651
1325633
1325624
1325612
1312864
1312835
1312750
1312730
1312682
1312669
1312215
1311924
1311852
1311798
1311776
1311740
1311716
1311700
1311664
1311649
1311624
1311608
1290714
1290532
1289915
1260476
1260451
1247231
1247213
1247203
1247193
1240919
1240872
1240853
1240832
1240198
1237158
1237123
1236944
1236879
1236860
1231268
1231252
1586551

They're all now excluded from the DT selection process, so if the goal was to manipulate DT, someone blew ~580 sMerit in order to ultimately fail doing so.
809  Other / Meta / Re: Web Wallets | Child Board on: April 04, 2019, 03:50:26 PM
If the wallet uses JavaScript to avoid having your private keys, and there's a reasonable level of transparency to assure that this is actually the case, then it is a software wallet (written in JavaScript), and it can go in Wallet Software. If it can access your private keys, then it's a bank, which is a type of service.
810  Other / Meta / Re: Disable Links disguised as Bitcointalk.org topics. on: April 04, 2019, 03:46:31 PM
It's ~impossible to preemptively detect all cases like that, and very difficult to do even a halfway-decent job. That guy isn't even trying to link to "bitcointalk.org". So it's whack-a-mole. That's why the green highlight was added: it's easier to whitelist than blacklist.
811  Other / Meta / Re: DT update log on: April 03, 2019, 09:50:31 PM
Old:
Code:
theymos
HostFat
gmaxwell
TECSHARE
phantastisch
OgNasty
SebastianJu
qwk
Vod
mprep
Dabs
philipma1957
Cyrus
monkeynuts
Welsh
TMAN
Lauda
Mitchell
vizique
yogg
dbshck
TheNewAnon135246
hybridsole
hilariousandco
Lesbian Cow
cryptodevil
suchmoon
achow101
owlcatz
minerjones
sapta
tmfp
BitcoinPenny
yahoo62278
zazarb
bill gator
LFC_Bitcoin
ezeminer
MaoChao
bones261
LoyceV
actmyname
WhiteManWhite
The Pharmacist
LeGaulois
DarkStar_
TheFuzzStone
Jet Cash
bL4nkcode
Lafu
Gunthar
Hhampuz
xtraelv
krogothmanhattan
Halab
Veleor
theyoungmillionaire
o_e_l_e_o
chimk
iasenko
coinlocket$
asche
DdmrDdmr
Alex_Sr
taikuri13
Coolcryptovator
1miau
ICOEthics

New:
Code:
theymos
HostFat
gmaxwell
TECSHARE
phantastisch
OgNasty
SebastianJu
malevolent
qwk
Vod
Anduck
mprep
Dabs
Foxpup
philipma1957
Cyrus
monkeynuts
Welsh
TMAN
Lauda
Mitchell
vizique
Ticked
yogg
dbshck
TheNewAnon135246
hybridsole
greenplastic
hilariousandco
EcuaMobi
Avirunes
Lesbian Cow
willi9974
cryptodevil
suchmoon
Rmcdermott927
achow101
owlcatz
nutildah
minerjones
sapta
tmfp
BitcoinPenny
yahoo62278
zazarb
bill gator
LFC_Bitcoin
ezeminer
MaoChao
bones261
LoyceV
actmyname
WhiteManWhite
The Pharmacist
LeGaulois
DarkStar_
TheFuzzStone
Jet Cash
bL4nkcode
Lafu
Gunthar
Hhampuz
xtraelv
Kryptowerk
krogothmanhattan
Halab
Veleor
theyoungmillionaire
o_e_l_e_o
chimk
iasenko
coinlocket$
asche
DdmrDdmr
Alex_Sr
Hellmouth42
taikuri13
Coolcryptovator
1miau
ICOEthics
812  Other / Meta / Re: KYC now required on: April 02, 2019, 05:36:13 PM
Whether the form was captured by the forum or not, I'm sure cloudflare at least got a copy of it... or, the verified illuminati's, so maybe someone somewhere out there got some sort of enjoyment out of it.  Grin

It's theoretically possible that CF could've inserted some JavaScript to do that, but absent some sort of active MITM attack like that, your browser didn't even send the data to the Internet.
813  Other / Meta / Re: Does anyone here make a living off the forums? on: April 02, 2019, 04:24:07 AM
Bitcointalk.org has always had 100% of its income and the vast majority of its expenses in cryptocurrency, and personally I try to buy things with BTC whenever possible. My goal is to see a self-contained BTC economy someday. Cryptocurrency acceptance has actually gone down in some sectors since ~2013, though, probably because BitPay sucks so incredibly much and point-of-sale tech in general isn't really there yet.

Currently, it'd be almost impossible to live without touching fiat. For major purchases you could maybe convince the seller to accept BTC as part of the negotiation, but the biggest issue is day-to-day expenses like food. You could do it if you allowed for buying fiat-denominated gift cards with BTC, though really that's cheating.

In poorer countries, it may be easier in some ways to deal with BTC than fiat. I wonder if more complete BTC economies are forming in these countries due to this. It happened to some extent in Venezuela, but they're also dealing with insane hyperinflation.

Quote
There are many doubts of people when it comes to signature campaign earnings tax-wise.

In the US at least it's probably self-employment income (using the USD value at time of payment), reported on schedules C & SE.
814  Other / Meta / Re: Souvenirs from the Bitcointalk.org on: April 02, 2019, 03:12:58 AM
so I take it that you give permission for people to use 'bitcointalk.org' name to make profit on merchs Cool

Yes, just don't characterize it as "official".
815  Other / Meta / Re: Souvenirs from the Bitcointalk.org on: April 02, 2019, 01:03:08 AM
Sadly, we ran out of our stock of zero items. So everyone gets a full refund:

Code:
+----------------------+-------+
| user                 | merit |
+----------------------+-------+
| 3meek                |     1 |
| abhiseshakana        |     1 |
| abhiseshakana        |     4 |
| Alex_Sr              |     1 |
| Anduck               |     1 |
| andulolika           |     1 |
| andulolika           |    20 |
| Anon11073            |    10 |
| Anon11073            |    40 |
| Apriand              |    25 |
| BayAreaCoins         |   142 |
| be.open              |     1 |
| bill gator           |     1 |
| bitbollo             |     1 |
| BitCryptex           |     1 |
| BitMaxz              |     3 |
| bL4nkcode            |     1 |
| bubbalex             |     1 |
| Carrelmae10          |     1 |
| charlie137           |     4 |
| cissrawk             |     5 |
| corather             |     1 |
| Crypto-DesignService |     1 |
| cryptovigi           |     1 |
| DarkStar_            |     1 |
| DarkStar_            |   100 |
| DarkStar_            |   200 |
| dbshck               |   200 |
| DdmrDdmr             |     2 |
| digit                |     1 |
| digit                |     1 |
| DireWolfM14          |     2 |
| DoublerHunter        |     2 |
| e1ghtSpace           |     1 |
| eckmar               |     2 |
| eddie13              |    25 |
| Eugen225             |     1 |
| Flying Hellfish      |   100 |
| Flying Hellfish      |    50 |
| FontSeli             |     1 |
| Foxpup               |   200 |
| FractalUniverse      |     2 |
| free-bit.co.in       |     1 |
| Gren                 |     1 |
| hakka                |     1 |
| hatshepsut93         |     1 |
| Hhampuz              |    19 |
| HI-TEC99             |     1 |
| iasenko              |     1 |
| icopress             |     1 |
| Isildur (official)   |     1 |
| izanagi narukami     |     1 |
| kazuki.t             |     1 |
| kingcolex            |    25 |
| klarki               |    25 |
| Lassie               |     1 |
| lottery248           |   100 |
| LoyceV               |     2 |
| lulucrypto           |     1 |
| malevolent           |   201 |
| ManagerVirta         |     1 |
| markiz73             |     1 |
| Matt9301             |     1 |
| micgoossens          |     1 |
| Mitchell             |   251 |
| mitzie               |     1 |
| mOgliE               |     1 |
| mprep                |   200 |
| Mr. Big              |    10 |
| Nestade              |     1 |
| NeuroticFish         |     1 |
| NeuroticFish         |     1 |
| nubbins7             |    10 |
| OgNasty              |    50 |
| pawanjain            |     1 |
| poordeveloper        |     3 |
| PrimeNumber7         |     1 |
| Quickseller          |     1 |
| radjie               |     2 |
| Raja_MBZ             |     1 |
| RapTarX              |     1 |
| reddish111           |     1 |
| roslinpl             |     1 |
| roycilik             |     1 |
| saharovvv            |    26 |
| SaltySpitoon         |   350 |
| sapta                |   100 |
| Scheede              |     1 |
| shasan               |     1 |
| sheenshane           |     1 |
| slashz9              |     1 |
| Smiley Cyrus         |   700 |
| Steamtyme            |     1 |
| suchmoon             |     1 |
| suchmoon             |     8 |
| teeGUMES             |     1 |
| teeGUMES             |     4 |
| teeGUMES             |     1 |
| teeGUMES             |     8 |
| TotSamiy             |     1 |
| TryNinja             |     1 |
| vapourminer          |     1 |
| VoskCoin             |     1 |
| Whitly               |    26 |
| yogg                 |     5 |
+----------------------+-------+

Credit to Halab for the idea and Xal0lex for the photoshops.

I'm probably not going to create any real bitcointalk.org merch anytime soon (except for the collectible coin idea), but if anyone else wants to sell such things, feel free.
816  Other / Meta / Re: KYC now required on: April 02, 2019, 01:00:55 AM
April fools!

2541 people submitted the KYC form, but the actual data entered into the form was never even sent to bitcointalk.org, much less collected. So if you actually entered any sensitive info there, you should feel a bit silly, but don't worry about it. (Probably some people left funny comments, but regrettably these were not collected.)

The verification flairs were random.

Thanks to Mr. Big, hilariousandco, malevolent, Halab, Mitchell, and Xal0lex for contributing ideas related to this, and to everyone else for having fun with it!
817  Other / Meta / Re: Real selfies in the KYC thread. on: April 01, 2019, 04:43:00 PM
If people aren't able to perceive that they're posting the image publicly (after they uploaded it to imgur or something, as well), then they're really beyond help...

If someone posts their ID with their selfie, please report it. Otherwise it's not a big deal.
818  Other / Meta / Re: KYC now required on: April 01, 2019, 01:44:02 AM
Trying a selfie from another angle:

Only the first extant post in the thread will be verifAIed™.
819  Other / Meta / Re: KYC now required on: April 01, 2019, 12:50:25 AM
820  Other / Meta / Re: Unacceptable Behaviour By Forum Moderator HostFat & Rock Trading owner eliale on: March 31, 2019, 06:35:21 PM
Quote from: Coinfan
III) An unknown moderator deleted 7 of my posts on 27 and 31 October 2018 on my main English scam thread and on my Italian thread. I wrote to HostFat about it, but he denied being responsible and wrote he didn't know who it was.

They were not deleted by HostFat. You were multi-posting.

Quote from: Coinfan
IV) On 27 March, HostFat removed all the posts about my case, including several of mine, from the Rock Trading main italian thread, which is entitled precisely Rock Trading "discussions and problems", where the Rock CFO were posting lies about my case, and transferred them to my thread on the much less known and read italian scam board, effectively "cleaning" the most exposed and important italian thread about the Rock (70% of their customers are Italian) from the negative publicity about this issue: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=330856.msg50341791#msg50341791

As far as I can tell, this appears to be within the realm of reasonable mod discretion regarding what's derailing a topic and what's not. The posts still exist, and HostFat mentioned them in the topic. HostFat denies any connection to The Rock Trading which would constitute a conflict of interest. (The ref link is very minor.)

Discussions about whether or not it was ideal for the topic to be split in this way would best take place in the Italian section, since it's impossible for someone who doesn't speak the language to get a feel for the flow of the conversation.

Quote from: Coinfan
Again, on the same post, he raised suspicions on me
Quote from: Coinfan
On the same day, HostFat posted allegations against JollyGood and suggested that I had paid him
Quote from: Coinfan
He posted allegations on my italian scam thread that not even the Rock CFO dared to post,
Quote from: JollyGood
First of all, you can see there is a signature, part of which states "The Rock Trading (ref): A good exchange since 2007."

These are not mod actions. He is entitled to his own opinions on the matter.

(Personally, from what I've read, I find The Rock Trading's behavior highly questionable. But it's debatable, especially when all of the details aren't known.)

Quote from: Lauda
I see nothing surprising here as this kind of behavior constitutes the very definition of the person behind the alias HostFat. It always did.

HostFat has moderated the Italian section for over 7 years, and I can recall few complaints and no unethical actions. I think that you're biased against him because of his support of BCH, and while I strongly disagree with him on that, I haven't seen any mod abuse related to this from him.
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