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1  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: new Bisq 2 (P2P BTC Exchange System) is out! on: March 19, 2024, 12:00:43 AM
IMO "mixer" is wrong term to use for bisq which is just a platform for p2p trading. A mixer by definition requires some kind of centralization, where as with bisq it is just regular trades from one person to other. Even if btc/xmr atomic swaps got implemented, assuming that it stays entirely p2p, I think it is very hard to make the legal argument against it without actually outlawing XMR altogether.

Bisq is a great project and I am looking forward to bisq2 getting developed further. The easy protocol in bisq2 seems good for people with no existing btc but for a seller the lower cost barrier of entry seems less favorable especially for payment platforms with high chargeback risk.
I havent followed bisq2 that closely, I just hope they are planning for protocols similar to bisq1 as well.

Having a discussion section in the program sounds actually really good and I see great potential in regular users being able to discuss various trading related things and to keep up with the development.
2  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [V2] Big List of Crypto Debit Cards on: February 14, 2024, 12:07:29 AM
The list in the first post needs some updating. Jupiter has been defunct for 3 years, crypterium gives 404, paycent appears to be gone, tenx not working as well.

I dont think there is any KYC-free debit card available anymore or at least I havent found one. I think this thread could be expanded to include prepaid cards too. Prepaid cards can be bought without KYC but they dont work always (need to try on different stores to find out which accept them). Bitrefill sells prepaid mastercards for cheapest but the only problem is you need residential USA IP to buy them (the prepaid codes work fine worldwide). The dollar denominated mastercards that Trocador sells are from the same issuer. Trocador euro denominated cards are from different issuer and Ive had best success with them, also a nice 3 years expiry as opposed to 6 months on the mastercard. Only problem is the high fees from trocador.
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