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21  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: 1155GH(+OverClock Potential), In Stock $0.319/GH & 0.51W/GH on: March 30, 2015, 04:24:13 AM
That S5 was running in the low 60's at 3960 RPM - After the thermal compound it dropped to 50 at 3240 with the same room temperature.  Lower HW errors too.  I'll pull the next worst one tonight and repaste it for comparison.   The Gelid stuff is really stiff and gluey compared to the Arctic Silver compound.   That's probably a good thing Smiley  If I were completely ADHD I'd sort the boards across units and get matched sets lol.

Impressive results!  What is your ambient temperature?  Please share more details on exactly how you applied new compound.  Thank you.
22  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: 1155GH(+OverClock Potential), In Stock $0.319/GH & 0.51W/GH on: March 29, 2015, 02:34:24 AM
Bitmain says these are shipping March 30th.  Any idea how long they are taking to ship to US?

If you want to buy from Bitmain, I'd suggest I ordering soon, before their "limited quantity" run is sold out.
23  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S2 upgrade kit? EDIT: New info 3/11 on: March 27, 2015, 05:36:32 AM
Thank you for shipping S5's early!

Looking forward to any new information about S2 upgrade kits.
24  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: 1155GH(+OverClock Potential), In Stock $0.319/GH & 0.51W/GH on: March 24, 2015, 10:36:01 PM
My internet connection (3G) was down for two days. I did not know it at the time. The miner was running 20C cooler with no internet connection.

Good for you!  I'm jealous. Smiley  

EDIT:  My S2 has been rock solid for over 7 months.  My S3's were great.  It's only my S5's that overheat with no internet or network connection.
25  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: 1155GH(+OverClock Potential), In Stock $0.319/GH & 0.51W/GH on: March 24, 2015, 12:35:45 AM
What is the best way to overheat the miner to check if it will shut down at 80C?
Blocking or unplugging the fan in my mind, could be voiding a warranty.  My test was to simply disconnect my internet - which is a real life occurrence (failed internet service).  It might take a few minutes for the current information to finish its hashing and start beeping, but it will.
Why would no internet connection cause it to overheat?

Oops... I made an assumption, that the way my S5's and Opentoe's are working, that will do it.  When there is no internet, there is no new information coming in to the miner to hash.  What at least the 2 of us have seen, is when it's not hashing, it heats up.  I would try that first, so that if you have any hardware failure from overheating, no internet access is a regular problem that should be planned for (the other options mentioned, are not normal operating conditions expected for the miners - just my opinion).
26  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: 1155GH(+OverClock Potential), In Stock $0.319/GH & 0.51W/GH on: March 23, 2015, 07:56:39 PM
What is the best way to overheat the miner to check if it will shut down at 80C?

Blocking or unplugging the fan in my mind, could be voiding a warranty.  My test was to simply disconnect my internet - which is a real life occurrence (failed internet service).  It might take a few minutes for the current information to finish its hashing and start beeping, but it will.
27  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: 1155GH(+OverClock Potential), In Stock $0.319/GH & 0.51W/GH on: March 22, 2015, 07:07:59 PM
Would it not be better to load the S4 firmware to the controller and then reload the S5 Feb release back?

I've not seen firmware from Bitmain other than the 2015-01-07 release.  Where is the February one?
28  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: 1155GH(+OverClock Potential), In Stock $0.319/GH & 0.51W/GH on: March 21, 2015, 10:27:30 PM
as i posted before, most important is whether it still uses the same power as before the internet failure-could be easily checked with a kill-a-watt. If it does, then it would be very dangerous. If not, than it is just residual heat (as chips are NOT working anymore) and maybe metal sinks will dissipate the remaining heat safely, even if they heat up to 90C intermittently. Using my S5, as soon as internet drops, power usage also drops to very low (maybe 20w). Whether some other individual miners don't do the same (drop in power usage) is essential to know. i agree that they should have program it to rotate fans for a couple of minutes after the internet blackout.

I can confirm in my case (by a kill-a-watt) that power consumption does drop way off.  But the heat is really up there (to the touch and immediate ambient).

Thank you.
29  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: 1155GH(+OverClock Potential), In Stock $0.319/GH & 0.51W/GH on: March 21, 2015, 09:32:18 PM
Remember, they weren't mining or even connected to the pool at this point. The temps just started rising past 80c without shutting down. The firmware seems not to shut the rig down when it is over 80c. That really needs to be fixed.
Well that goes against everything I've tested, pulled the ethernet and nothing exciting happens. And I've previously tested the 80C limit, it 'freezes' and stops mining.
I agree - it doesn't make sense.  My S3's properly honored that 80C safety shutoff.  But on my pair of S5's, it does not shutoff over 80C.  BTW, the miners really do heat up and it's not just an errant report from the firmware.

A few weeks ago when Ghash went down, my Nicehash limit for return value wasn't met and so it stopped hashing (no rollover) and I did catch this screenshot.
There is a conflict in that screenshot, a fan speed of 3600 RPM yet a high temp. At this point I'm leaning towards it reporting silly temperatures rather than reaching silly temperatures. On a 200W load, even with a 1000 RPM fan it should still be okay. Heatsink temps of 75C over heatsink temps of 50C provides DOUBLE the heat removal in a 25C ambient.
Ah!  I think you have landed on an issue.  Thank you.

The physical truth is, at the time of the screenshot, the fan was not at a high rpm (judging from startup/reboot speeds it was in the 300 to 500 rpm range); and the heat sink fins were too hot to keep my fingers on.  I believe the heat reported, but not the fan speed.

But that still makes me wonder why the 80c safety didn't kick in.  This also happened about 3-4 weeks before this screenshot.  That time it reported 106C, but I didn't grab a screenshot, I was freaked out by the high temp and hurried to power down and move air over them with a box fan.

So the bits of information we have:

a) Status reported high temps
b) Heatsinks were too hot to keep fingers on are ~55C for aluminium, which puts chip temps not much higher.

c) Status reported high fan
d) Fan was low in reality

e) Status did not respond to these 'high' temps
f) Status previously showed 110C, but S5 still works.

From the very last one alone we could conclude that its a display / calculation issue, and the chips aren't reaching the temperature its displaying and / or the measurement isn't even what its displaying. If that type of temp sensor was 110C, the chips would have been way past the "melt into goop" region.

So I just ran a test, by killing my internet.  Very interesting to watch.  The fans spin slow (at an inaudible level).  The GUI seems to be stuck with the last valid stats from while hashing. 

I'm getting the feeling that the GUI only reports when the machine is actually hashing.  I watched the temps of the heatsinks rise by ~8C during the lull of no hashing (with an infrared thermometer).

After connecting the internet, and the miners quit beeping, then the GUI would report an updated status.  After the beeping stopped (internet connected) the fans also did spin up again (full rpm).

After restarting the internet, 1 miner had blades at 96C & 83C reported.  It would not start hashing again, without a reboot.  The other miner had blades at 93C & 78C reported.  Based on my infrared temp readings, both heatsinks were within 1C of each other.  This miner did start hashing again on its own, after restarting my internet connection.

Here's some absolutes I know after my test of an internet failure:
1) fan speed drop to nothing and the temperature rises during the failure
2) the windows GUI does not get updated status from the miner during the failure

So why don't the fans stay up to speed to keep the chips cooling during an internet failure? 

Beyond that, I only have assumptions (though educated guesses, they are still guesses).  It's as though the system is not monitoring its own temps during the internet failure, to adjust fan speed and maintain an operating temperature.

If I was a manufacturer, or had a miner that I didn't have to pay for, I would have let the my internet failure run for more than the 3 or 4 minutes I dared to (watching the temps go up).  I would be interested to see how high the temps would really go after 30 minutes or more (but not on my out-of-pocket equipment).
30  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: 1155GH(+OverClock Potential), In Stock $0.319/GH & 0.51W/GH on: March 21, 2015, 07:23:13 AM
Remember, they weren't mining or even connected to the pool at this point. The temps just started rising past 80c without shutting down. The firmware seems not to shut the rig down when it is over 80c. That really needs to be fixed.

Well that goes against everything I've tested, pulled the ethernet and nothing exciting happens. And I've previously tested the 80C limit, it 'freezes' and stops mining.

I agree - it doesn't make sense.  My S3's properly honored that 80C safety shutoff.  But on my pair of S5's, it does not shutoff over 80C.  BTW, the miners really do heat up and it's not just an errant report from the firmware.

A few weeks ago when Ghash went down, my Nicehash limit for return value wasn't met and so it stopped hashing (no rollover) and I did catch this screenshot.


There is a conflict in that screenshot, a fan speed of 3600 RPM yet a high temp. At this point I'm leaning towards it reporting silly temperatures rather than reaching silly temperatures. On a 200W load, even with a 1000 RPM fan it should still be okay. Heatsink temps of 75C over heatsink temps of 50C provides DOUBLE the heat removal in a 25C ambient.

Ah!  I think you have landed on an issue.  Thank you.

The physical truth is, at the time of the screenshot, the fan was not at a high rpm (judging from startup/reboot speeds it was in the 300 to 500 rpm range); and the heat sink fins were too hot to keep my fingers on.  I believe the heat reported, but not the fan speed.

But that still makes me wonder why the 80c safety didn't kick in.  This also happened about 3-4 weeks before this screenshot.  That time it reported 106C, but I didn't grab a screenshot, I was freaked out by the high temp and hurried to power down and move air over them with a box fan.
31  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: 1155GH(+OverClock Potential), In Stock $0.319/GH & 0.51W/GH on: March 21, 2015, 12:38:18 AM
Remember, they weren't mining or even connected to the pool at this point. The temps just started rising past 80c without shutting down. The firmware seems not to shut the rig down when it is over 80c. That really needs to be fixed.

Well that goes against everything I've tested, pulled the ethernet and nothing exciting happens. And I've previously tested the 80C limit, it 'freezes' and stops mining.

I agree - it doesn't make sense.  My S3's properly honored that 80C safety shutoff.  But on my pair of S5's, it does not shutoff over 80C.  BTW, the miners really do heat up and it's not just an errant report from the firmware.

A few weeks ago when Ghash went down, my Nicehash limit for return value wasn't met and so it stopped hashing (no rollover) and I did catch this screenshot.


32  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: 1155GH(+OverClock Potential), In Stock $0.319/GH & 0.51W/GH on: March 20, 2015, 05:48:31 PM
Possible bug in firmware. A critical one.

I had my pool drop out on me, they were having problems and I was disconnected, so the miner wasn't hashing. The fan slowed down to almost like 100-200 RPMs but the temperature kept rising. The fan NEEDS to keep running to keep the ASIC chips cools weather hashing or not it seems. Temps went up to 75-80 so I turned them off right away to let them cool. Bitmain, you need to review the firmware so that when the rig gets disconnected from the pool it doesn't disrupt the fan speed to keeping the chips cool. If I wasn't home and didn't hear the beeping sound I'm wondering how high that temperature could of went to. I actually felt the heat if I put my hand over the miner. It can't just be ambient temps, because these chips cool really quickly...so something else is going on here. If you want to try and test, pull your ethernet cable out and see if your fan stops or slows down and watch your temps closely.

Once I re-established a connection, everything looks good. Any ideas on this? We don't want burnt up miners, right?


You can configure it to shut off at 80 C but yeah it would be nice to have a control from the GUI.

I wish some others would test this.  I had this same type of thing happen about 6 weeks ago.  The firmware safety net of 80C shutdown did NOT work (yes, mine is checked).  When I saw it, one blade was up to 106C.  I mentioned this before, here, but with the Chinese New Year timing, I'm guessing it didn't fall on any ears at Bitmain.
33  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: 1155GH(+OverClock Potential), In Stock $0.319/GH & 0.51W/GH on: March 18, 2015, 06:38:14 AM
There's a time and place for everything. I feel as a representative of a business you should not be using them. I own a small online store.
I own a small business too.  I infrequently use emoticons in my business emails.  I hate the written word because it's difficult to tell the intent and emotion of the writer.  I don't feel that emoticons should be a taboo for business emails.  They should be used sparingly.  I must have the right balance, having just celebrated 15 years in business.  I never had a client complain, yet.

Having said that, I think sidehack already said it perfectly:

But when your entire reply to a valid question a paying customer has about the machines he purchased is a series of emoticons, there's room to complain. It's basically dismissing the question offhand (and in a manner which could be seen as condescending), which is rude.
Bitmain reps here, do need help in the appropriate use of emoticons.

Exactly the attitude that makes BTC appear supremely suspect as a medium of commerce.  The recipient clearly has no responsibility to provide equitable value!
Whether the exchange is in Bitcoin or something else, whether transacted online or on mainstreet, it's all the same - you can get scammed or have a bad experience.  more than once I've recieved a less than proper amount of cash back at a mainstreet (KFC) business. It's a matter of knowing the rules of the transaction - the means of value exchange (BTC, USD, IQD, Euro, etc) has nothing to do with the transaction.  Have a problem with rules? Then that's a different discussion.

Guess I was wrong Dogie, you are purely a lackey of Bitmain!
You barked up the tree with Dogie on this one.  I'm grateful for his, and everyone's good help here.  I'll also speak up with him or others when they are wrong.
34  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: 1155GH(+OverClock Potential), In Stock $0.25/GH & 0.51W/GH on: March 13, 2015, 07:15:01 PM
Will this be a good PSU to power 2 5s?

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151109



1250 W SeaSonic X-1250 ( SS-1250XM2 ) 1250W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply New 4th Gen CPU Certified Haswell Ready.

There are 8 PCI Express Connectors
Not overclocked that should be fine to run two S5s.

I run at a frequency of 400

I would suggest get a PSU from Sidehack (http://www.gekkoscience.com)  If you can feed it 240v, you can get one for 20% of the Seasonic.  Otherwise, get 2 of his smaller supplies.  I personally like the idea of 2 psu's over a single.  If you have two and one goes bad, you're still running at 50%.  If you have a single psu for 2 miners, if it goes bad, you're 100% dead.
35  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Sfards: SF3301 Tapeout Complete [Updated 10/3/15] on: March 13, 2015, 06:00:06 PM
One of the reasons is that it makes the miner far more adaptable and gives the hardware a longer shelf-life.

I like the innovation of making a dual algorithm chip that is efficient.  I'm excited to be able to support you.
36  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: 1155GH(+OverClock Potential), In Stock $0.25/GH & 0.51W/GH on: March 12, 2015, 05:26:20 PM
Its likely an effect of the DDOS, site is on cloudflare so any outages should be very brief.

They shouldn't have to deal with a ddos attack.  It's a shame that someone threatened bitmain at all.  I was very upset at how they handled their price increase this week, but a ddos attack is ridiculous. I think they have handled that perfectly!

I applaud them for not caving in to the ransom.
37  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat on: March 12, 2015, 05:12:43 AM
Should've clarified! Strato posted a guide, down to what size rack (heheh) you would need. Are there any pictures of that multi-miner vertical setup with a box fan as instructed? Or, was that just someone's ideas?

Strato has done it and was going to post some pics of his setup.
This is a simple outline / guide on how we are running our Antminer S5 Units in clusters of 6 with no overheating issues and a decent overclock

I only have 2 units on a wire rack, just standing on end loose (not tied down).  No problems for mine.
38  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat on: March 12, 2015, 05:03:40 AM
Interested by the vertical setup mounting guide, been looking through this thread.

Is there ever a picture of this rig, or was this just something thought up?

Yes.. Check out this specific message from Philip that has a number of pictures
[quote link=topic=945775.msg10385745#msg10385745 date=1423313447]here

Is that a "treasure map" to the long lost pictures?
[/quote]

 Grin I was editing the message to get it to link to the exact post.  Not elegant, but this quote works
Click the link above
39  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat on: March 12, 2015, 04:46:55 AM
Interested by the vertical setup mounting guide, been looking through this thread.

Is there ever a picture of this rig, or was this just something thought up?

Yes.. Check out this specific message from Philip that has a number of pictures
40  Economy / Goods / Re: More HOT SAUCE! on: March 12, 2015, 04:10:40 AM
Isnt there a different company that ship ur sauces cheaper? I want to buy but shipping fee stop me.

Do you have some suggestions on who he can use to ship to you?
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