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1141  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: someone is syn flooding clients on: June 22, 2011, 10:44:00 PM
And you're absolutely sure it isn't due to the multitude of peers trying to connect to you? Wink

It's never triggered it before but no I'm not sure.
1142  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: LolzSecurity(?) takes over mtgox IRC channel #mtgox and announces on: June 22, 2011, 10:41:55 PM
Hmm, I wonder if hacking is compatible with Libertarianism. Any thoughts?
1143  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / someone is syn flooding clients on: June 22, 2011, 10:37:22 PM
I recently launched the client on my school's network and I got a bunch of syn flood attack warnings.
1144  Other / Politics & Society / Re: An Agorist Company on: June 22, 2011, 08:41:28 PM
Is living in a state implicit consent to be governed and if not why.  Maybe I'm a little dense but I'm not sure how the restaurant analogy applies to a broader social contract.

"My house my rules."

vs.

"Your house my rules."

It's customary for people to expect to pay for food they order in a restaurant. It would be hard to claim that you didn't know that was the custom. However, secession is what made the USA possible. It's just as possible for people to remain being governed or secede. There are two customs, though one is more popular than the other, it's still something that has to be made explicit.
1145  Other / Politics & Society / Re: An Agorist Company on: June 22, 2011, 03:50:21 AM
why would you not want to read other philosophers if for no other reason but to strengthen your argument and refute them.

I love reading philosophy but if you're making an argument, you need to back it up and not send people off to do your homework for you. At the very least I need some kind of quotation but even better, put it in your own words.

Can you find fault with "Act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law." -IK

No, I live by it.

Do we first have a perfect duty not to act by maxims that result in logical contradictions when we attempt to universalize them?

Yes.

Can persons in a State of Nature agree to a social contract defining the rights of that newly formed society?

Yes but it needs to be explicit. It may be that if I go into a restaurant and order a hamburger, I'm implicitly agreeing to pay for it but simply existing on my property isn't implicit consent of being governed.

What is inequity? Inequity of power...   Inequity of opportunity....   inequity of biology?Huh  Is justice merely a lack of coercion?

Yes, that's what legal justice is. That's not to say morality is only a lack of coercion. Calling your grandmother fat or cheating on your partner are immoral but shouldn't be illegal.
1146  Economy / Marketplace / Re: up to 50 people, get paid 0.10 BTC to change your signature on: June 21, 2011, 06:53:06 PM
Hang on,if this isn't the best rate I can be getting then I'm out

You're not eligible anyways.
1147  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Has your business suffered an attack by hackers since the Mt. Gox crisis began? on: June 21, 2011, 06:51:13 PM
This is yet another reason why we use OpenID, there are no passwords to steal.
1148  Economy / Marketplace / Re: up to 50 people, get paid 0.10 BTC to change your signature on: June 21, 2011, 04:03:57 PM
it's my money and I want it now!

Please delete my link from your signature. Your attitude makes me think you can't be trusted.

I do feel that .1BTC is a tad low for 3 months of advertising space. What if you changed it to .1BTC/month for exclusive signature space, and .1BTC/three months for advertising space + the right to have your own bitcoin address listed?

This is a take it or leave it offer.
1149  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Libertarians/ACists who support a rollback of MtGox transactions on: June 21, 2011, 03:50:33 AM
Except that you told me you would keep that car safe, and instead left the keys in the ignition and the doors unlocked.

Where/when exactly was that said?
1150  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is where I stop believing Obama is possibly a rational, intelligent man. on: June 21, 2011, 03:31:36 AM
"I hear Republicans and Libertarians and so forth talking about property rights, but they stop talking about property rights as soon as the subject of American Indians comes up, because they know fully well, perhaps not in a fully articulated, conscious form, but they know fully well that the basis for the very system of endeavor and enterprise and profitability to which they are committed and devoted accrues on the basis of theft of the resources of someone else. They are in possession of stolen property. They know it. They all know it. It's a dishonest endeavor from day one."
-Ward Churchill

I already covered that. Native Americans were just as likely to steal land as anyone else. I hope you really don't believe for a minute that not a single drop of blood was spilled over land by Native Americans. However, I'm all for returning stolen land if there is any evidence that there was once a rightful owner with a heir that's still living, otherwise, it's a moot point. Can you prove that anyone living owns this land? No? Alright then, let's move on.

If someone is living in a libertarian society (thus being forced to abide by libertarian ideals and being affected by climate and forces created by libertarian society) and they are not libertarian, nor do they want to be libertarian, how is that ANY different than you living in this current society and claiming that  itis coercive and without voluntary choice simply because you don't agree with it?

So, you think you should be free to deny other people their freedoms? Then why should we respect your freedom? It's nonsensical. You aren't special. If you make a rule such as, it's alright to deny people their freedoms, then the same rule applies to you. It's like saying that you should be free to kill other people but they shouldn't be free to kill you. It's not even something that merits debate.

You still haven't answered the question.

What was the question again?

It's quoted right in the post.

Oh but I did answer your question. I guess you weren't satisfied with my answer so I'll try again. How is forcing others to live under a Libertarian society different from being forced to live under any other society? The answer is, Libertarians don't violate your rights. If you want to form a hippie commune then go for it. But, when you try to take my property through taxes or arrest me because I don't empty my pockets, I'm well within my rights to defend myself. You, however, don't have the right to take my property. That's how it's different. All other societies are based on violations of rights but a Libertarian society is not. Are you satisfied now?
1151  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is where I stop believing Obama is possibly a rational, intelligent man. on: June 21, 2011, 02:21:27 AM
If someone is living in a libertarian society (thus being forced to abide by libertarian ideals and being affected by climate and forces created by libertarian society) and they are not libertarian, nor do they want to be libertarian, how is that ANY different than you living in this current society and claiming that  itis coercive and without voluntary choice simply because you don't agree with it?

So, you think you should be free to deny other people their freedoms? Then why should we respect your freedom? It's nonsensical. You aren't special. If you make a rule such as, it's alright to deny people their freedoms, then the same rule applies to you. It's like saying that you should be free to kill other people but they shouldn't be free to kill you. It's not even something that merits debate.

You still haven't answered the question.

What was the question again?
1152  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: With so much computing power, will Bitcoins network become self-aware? on: June 21, 2011, 02:00:53 AM
like skynet does?

No, intelligence requires complexity and BTC mining is relatively simple.
1153  Other / Politics & Society / Re: An Agorist Company on: June 21, 2011, 01:39:10 AM
Your definition of violence is inadequate, and I think cuomo does the best job of showing why: http://www.jstor.org/stable/3810390

Please either post a link to something that's publicly accessible or put it in your own words. Otherwise, it looks like you're just making an assertion without backing it up. Giving someone a laundry list of authors isn't an acceptable substitute for a rational argument. If you don't believe me then read Dr. Seuss, Hitler and J.K. Rowling, in that order.
1154  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is where I stop believing Obama is possibly a rational, intelligent man. on: June 21, 2011, 12:48:29 AM
Sure your assumption is that ownership is valid unless it can be proven otherwise.

Yes, exactly. I'm with Walter Block on this.

Quote
Suppose that 100 slaves worked on the plantation, but only one heir of any of them, B'', can now be found. Does B'' get the entire value of the landed estate (apart from the house), or only one percent of it. The answer is the latter. For possession is 9/10ths of the law. He who is the present land holder (W'' in our case) is always deemed to be the proper owner, unless evidence to the contrary can be adduced. But the claim of B'', stemming from the work of his grandfather, B, can at most encompass what he, B, that is, contributed to the enhancement of the value of the property. The other ninety-nine percent of the value of this land will remain with W'', until and unless other grandchildren of slaves come forth with proof of parentage.

Without evidence, what is left? Your word? A gut feeling? Even if we had a god's-eye-view of history, not every parcel of land that was once stolen currently has a living heir that it could or should be returned to. In those cases, it can be considered abandoned property and the current owner does have a legitimate claim to it as having homesteaded it. Even worse, since we don't have a god's-eye-view of history, it's irresponsible to overturn who knows how many legitimate property titles because of some vague notion of injustice that can't even be proven to have occurred.

That's not to say that all property titles should be upheld as legitimate. People that claim to own vast sums of land that hasn't been homesteaded actually don't have a legitimate claim to it, even if they paid for it, simply because there was no owner from which to buy it from. Just like people that claim to own parts of the moon don't have a legitimate claim to it because they haven't homesteaded it.
1155  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Libertarianism and externalities on: June 21, 2011, 12:34:05 AM
There's a fair amount of libertarians on this forum, so I guess this question is not completely out of place here: how does libertarianism handle the problem of externalities?  I'm thinking in particular of problems such as acid rain (some of the younger ones may not remember this, but it used to be a serious problem in Europe and the US back in the 70s and 80s, though the situation has largely improved since the introduction of strong regulations on sulfur emissions from power plants), or a more contemporary example like CO2 emissions and their role in anthropogenic global warming.

Feel free to point me to some external resource that you feel presents a good libertarian solution to this problem.  I'm genuinely curious.


If you pump out pollution that damages my property, then you're liable for that.

See Walter Block as he has done a lot of writing on this subject: http://www.walterblock.com/wp-content/uploads/publications/misallocations_externalities.pdf
1156  Economy / Marketplace / Re: up to 50 people, get paid 0.10 BTC to change your signature on: June 20, 2011, 08:44:18 PM
Please read the first post and follow the instructions exactly. You need to have the code I give you in your signature. If it's not bold, same font, etc then it doesn't count. Also, you get paid 1 week after you add your link to your signature and then after that you are bound by your word to keep it there for the next 11 weeks.

I'll make this my signature from 13/6/2011 -> 13/9/2011 for 0.10 BTC.

I need your address to pay you.

No. But why should you get ripped off because you get paid in bitcoins?

If I pay you in sterling instead of US dollars, can I rip you off too?

It would only be ripping you off if I didn't pay you. Don't spam this thread with insults or arguments. If you don't like my offer then just ignore it and go somewhere else.
1157  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Libertarians/ACists who support a rollback of MtGox transactions on: June 20, 2011, 07:17:47 PM
MtGox is the only responsible party we're liable to catch, so, it is reasonable that they should pay to make the damaged account(s) whole, and return things, as much as possible, to the state they were in prior to the attack.

How is MtGox responsible? That's like me letting you keep your car in my front yard with a "for sale" sign on it, the car gets stolen and then you demand that I buy you a new one.
1158  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ron Paul on: June 20, 2011, 07:14:50 PM


1159  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Tested by fire: adversity makes bitcoin stronger. on: June 20, 2011, 01:05:59 PM
as i said, a good critical user who visited the forum for a week pointed them out, specifically, along with a variety of other problems

If I remember correctly, the user in question didn't point out anything specifically. He just said a bunch of websites were exploitable. He didn't give any details of how to exploit them and he was treated with an understandable level of skepticism. The fact that some ClearCoin vulnerability was recently disclosed still doesn't vindicate him since he could have been full of it and this is just a coincidence. It's his fault for not disclosing some kind of evidence. Talk is cheap. Anyone can say that a website is exploitable. It's a different matter to actually prove it. So, all your finger wagging isn't actually warranted.
1160  Economy / Marketplace / Re: up to 50 people, get paid 0.10 BTC to change your signature on: June 20, 2011, 12:24:17 PM
If you posted before this message but your name isn't on the list in the first post, that means you aren't eligible for this offer. Either you didn't have 50 posts before this thread was made or you didn't register before this thread was made. I'm sorry but you need to read the rules carefully. Those of you that aren't eligible should remove my link from your signature so you aren't giving me something for nothing.
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