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581  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Will Bitcoin (BTC) be killed by BCC soon? on: August 23, 2017, 05:15:42 AM
This is fully bullshit talking ever! Bitcoin world's first decentrilized digital accet, a big market cap. After the fork I usually have been heard something like this, but no strong point behind it.

How is it bullshit? Check the math and you will see this is very real and taking place like...right now.

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Times without number this issue has been discussed and the final conclusion, has been that there is no way its going to happen, either because of price or mining difficulty or even the speed of transaction because by the time the impending hard fork will be happening then all the attention BCC is getting will be divided while bitcoin will remain strong.

Black Swans happen exactly when you anticipate them the least you know.

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Do not fear those miners will come back mining bitcoin when they have had enough profit from mining bitcoincash. Bitcoincash will probably not kill bitcoin soon since many people still use it despite having bitcoincash.

Cope.

It is currently 75.6% more profitable to mine on the Bitcoin Cash blockchain.



It is currently 136.2% more profitable to mine on the original chain.

There is a possibility of chain death spiral/black swan event if and only if more than 90% of miners switch and difficulty reset doesn't happen. Now logically miners are profit driven.

1. Majority of miners would switch if and only if Bitcoin Cash block reward is more than Bitcoin block reward. Currently, $4111/$669, 6/1.

2. If not block reward then Bitcoin Cash difficulty should be 6x lower than that of Bitcoin to be profitable to mine.

3. A good number of miners mining on Bitcoin Cash would rapidly increase the difficulty. This just happened. Bitcoin is more profitable to mine now, logically miners switched.

I guess miners are making a good profit switching from one chain to another. Theoretically the chain death spiral seems possible, but practically I don't see it happening, not anytime soon or in future. For something like that to become possible, Bitcoin Cash should have a value more than that of Bitcoin, short-term pumping alone doesn't give a coin any substantial value, maybe temporary and then the crash.
582  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Non reversible Payment Gateway Like Bitcoin on: August 22, 2017, 05:44:36 AM
Everyone is looking for a way to get money with a payment gateway like bitcoin, but with more stable amount of money, for example perfectmoney, so Is there something similar to perfectmoney ?

Apart from Perfect Money these are some of the options if you are looking for non-reversible payment methods when dealing with bitcoin.

1. Bank wire.

2. SEPA transfer.

3. OKPay.

4. Webmoney.

5. Payeer.

6. Western Union/MoneyGram - A money transfer can be stopped but once funds are withdrawn as cash there's little risk

6. Cash in person.

7. Cash in mail.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Payment_methods
583  Economy / Economics / Re: Philippine Central Bank approves licenses for 2 cryptocurrency exchanges? on: August 22, 2017, 05:02:27 AM
I have read from ETH News that the Central Bank approves licenses for two cryptocurrency exchanges. Do you think it is true? They said the implementing rules are still to come out. Is it really true?

How will it affect the Philippine banking system?

ETH News link, https://www.ethnews.com/philippines-central-bank-approves-licenses-for-two-cryptocurrency-exchanges

Earlier the Philippine central bank had released new regulatory guidelines for bitcoin exchanges and now their central bank has given official licenses to two bitcoin exchanges.

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On August 19, 2017, the Philippine Star reported that Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas (BSP) has granted two cryptocurrency companies licenses to operate bitcoin exchanges. At the FinTech Thought Leadership Roundtable Series presented by FINTQ, Nestor Espenilla Jr., governor of BSP, spoke about the dramatic growth of the digital currency industry and emphasized the importance of oversight.

These are locally based exchanges having international roots.

Local media had confirmed it, http://www.philstar.com/business/2017/08/19/1730418/bsp-approves-registration-2-bitcoin-exchange-operators

This is good for bitcoin adoption.
584  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Satoshi: Bitcoin foreseen as major currency. on: August 22, 2017, 01:25:26 AM
Since Bitcoin has become a dominant cryptocurrency online, would you say that Satoshi had foreseen Bitcoin becoming a major currency today? Any speculations as to what or who were his/her influences in creating Bitcoin?

I guess Satoshi did knew that bitcoin would become popular, but not sure if he had foreseen the extent of bitcoins popularity. Satoshi chose 21 million as the limit because if bitcoin didn't become popular then the number wasn't too high and if it became popular then it wasn't too low.

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My choice for the number of coins and distribution schedule was an educated guess.  It was a difficult choice, because once the network is going it's locked in and we're stuck with it.  I wanted to pick something that would make prices similar to existing currencies, but without knowing the future, that's very hard. I ended up picking something in the middle.  If Bitcoin remains a small niche, it'll be worth less per unit than existing currencies.  If you imagine it being used for some fraction of world commerce, then there's only going to be 21 million coins for the whole world, so it would be worth much more per unit.  Values are 64-bit integers with 8 decimal places, so 1 coin is represented internally as 100000000.  There's plenty of granularity if typical prices become small.

https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/54-my-first-message-to-satoshi/

As far why Satoshi created bitcoin:

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The root problem with conventional currency is all the trust that's required to make it work. The central bank must be trusted not to debase the currency, but the history of fiat currencies is full of breaches of that trust. Banks must be trusted to hold our money and transfer it electronically, but they lend it out in waves of credit bubbles with barely a fraction in reserve. We have to trust them with our privacy, trust them not to let identity thieves drain our accounts. Their massive overhead costs make micropayments impossible.

There were a few centralized virtual currencies before bitcoin, one of them was DigiCash and then the Bit Gold proposal by Nick Szabo, Satoshi might have got influenced from these.
585  Economy / Exchanges / Re: BitPay stands for many 1000 of shops. They are economic relevant users! on: August 20, 2017, 12:29:08 PM
Quote from: hv_ LinkedIn=topic=2104633.msg21032432#msg21032432 date=1503213799
BitPay should be noticed when they have a say what 'users' want.
They stand for voice of a huge merchant community watching the usability and risks of bitcoin's protocol.

If they 'say' it will influence many other merchants accepting or thinking of bitcoin.

Their business suffers from too high fees and LN or other 2nd layer scalings are yet no or no quick, safe options.

What do you users really want? Alts taking over here?

It is not what users want, it is what BitPay wants (NYA).

Apart from BitPay there are other bitcoin payment gateways/ service providers for merchants.

Already two LN wallets have been tested on the bitcoin testnet. Wait for LN to be implemented and PoS's to integrate it.

I guess what users want is microtransactions/transactions at the lowest fee, what merchants want is instant transaction/confirmations, globally what users want is cross border transactions at 1/3 the fee of centralized services. Guess it is possible with LN.

If the alt is BCH, I don't see how pumping alone pushes a no real world usage coin, the recent  surge is just pumping. It would drop below $600 by tomorrow or day after tomorrow. So I don't think alts are taking over.
586  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: In case of a second BTC hardfork in november... on: August 19, 2017, 05:36:02 PM
Hi everyone,

It looks as we're going to have another hardfork of BTC in November...

1) As a newbee like me or as confirmed "expert" of BTC, what do you think about that ?
It was already not so easy to understand but IF we have another one hardfork, then who will really understand what's going on with BTC.It will then really be more and more difficult for people with no background to "enter" in BTC universe if BTC splits every 6 months...

2) If a hardfork in November :
- will we have a free "BTC3" for one BTC ?
- will we have a free "BTC3" for one BTC2 (Bitcoin Cash) ?
- if we had BTC before 1st august on a paper wallet for example and we did not use it, will we have finally 1 BTC, 1 BCC and 1 "BTC3" ??

Thanks for any explaination...


1. No one who has been into bitcoin for a considerable period of time would voluntarily opt for a split.

2. There might be a split in November or might not be. If it is, it might be the last split, if it is or not the protocol goes on.

Yeah, splitting bitcoin on a regular basis would create a lot of confusion especially for the newbies, btcx, btcy, btcz. There would be only one bitcoin, go for what the market favors, ideology is optional for a beginner, money/profit.

3. That's the problem with newbies, free money, why till btc3, maths goes further than that. Why not a btc100 and go on with your fiat/flawed banking system?

Not a BTC expert, just a bitcoin enthusiast.
587  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The flippening is coming fast. The real bitcoin is catching up quick. on: August 19, 2017, 04:56:13 PM
American corporation, US government, CIA operative, banks...Would have made some sense if it was a conspiracy within the bitcoin ecosystem Grin

Flippening, BCH gets the better of bitcoin, right, and in two weeks, let's see how a coin with a concept of big blocks with no real user base (pure pumping) and nil merchant adoption gets the better of bitcoin.

Not better, that would be too difficult to break the shackles, let's assume BCH would be priced at anywhere between $650 to $1000 within the two-week period and then I would contemplate on something might catch up with bitcoin in near future.
588  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do we own two bitcoins? on: August 19, 2017, 03:55:21 PM
To you guys who have owned Bitcoin for a while.

As long as you did not have your BitCoin on a bitcoin-stockexchange, during the split, you now have both BitCoin cash and Bitcoin core, right?  

As long as you created your address on BitAddress, and then memorized the address in your head, on a paper or in cold storage, you now have both types of BitCoin, right?  

Is there some other scenario in which you now only have one BitCoin, except for those who had their BitCoin on an exchange during the split?

If you have two BitCoins, how do you go about selling your BitCoins now? And how do you know if you are selling Bitcoin Core or Bitcoin Cash?  


1. Yeah, some exchanges credited their users with BCH.

2. Don't create addresses on bitaddress, not safe. Yeah, if you created an address and wrote down the private keys then you have both bitcoin and bitcoin cash, assuming you created an address and transferred some funds to it before the split, August 1.

3. Point 1 & 2. If you had bitcoins in your address before the split, then you have the equivalent BCH, private key matters, not exchanges.

4. There is bitcoin and there is BCH or bitcoin cash. You can sell BCH on Kraken, Poloniex, and Bittrex (on Bittrex it is BCC).

Bitcoin on an exchange, not stock exchange.
589  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: POLL: Will you pay 100$ to open a channel on the Lightning Network? on: August 19, 2017, 03:12:33 PM
Will you pay 100$ to open a channel on the Lightning Network?





Thanks for voting  Smiley

Would you explain how LN costs $100 to open a channel? Would be enlightening. I guess you got the $100 from this article,

https://medium.com/@AudunGulbrands1/lightning-faq-67bd2b957d70

Or this

https://cryptoinsider.com/quickly-will-bitcoins-lightning-network-able-lower-fees/

Better read the full content rather than picking words that suit your thought process/tip jar.

No one is stopping you from trolling, but troll with a bit of logic, at least your statement would have a bit of logic to argue upon.

Thanks for trolling  Smiley
590  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / What is bitcoins killer app? on: August 19, 2017, 09:52:10 AM
There is no doubt that blockchain is a killer app. Bitcoin is blockchain's killer app. Blockchain technology can be put into use in different fields of life so in future blockchain might have another killer app, maybe from the field of healthcare, insurance, real estate, gaming, data storage/cloud storage, climate change (renewable energy), quite a lot of possibilities.

What is bitcoins killer app? For example, web browsers are the killer app of the Internet, Ethereum's killer app is smart contracts. So in this context, a killer application is something which guarantees that bitcoin would be adopted globally, mainstream adoption.

1. Smart contract is Ethereum's in-built application. Likewise, decentralized currency, store of value/digital gold is bitcoins in-built application. It could be said that being digital gold is bitcoins killer app.

2. Not in-built, an application which would compel people to adopt bitcoin. For example, I think BTCJam (first P2P lending website, connecting lenders and borrowers from over 120 countries) was somewhat a killer app of bitcoin. Similarly Abra can be bitcoins killer app.

So does bitcoin have a killer app which guarantees mainstream adoption?
591  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ? Increase fees to lower spam ; Decrease fees higher spam ? on: August 19, 2017, 06:39:03 AM
"Increase fees to lower spam ; Decrease fees higher spam"

What does the above mean and what does it have to do with Bitcoin?

Old Seqwit Bitcoin is designed to have limited Onchain transaction capacity to Force you to use the Lightening Network.
Segwit supporters increase the spam onchain for Bitcoin 1MB and drives the price up, cost users more money to send bitcoin so forcing them to use LN's Offchain Network, which will have lower fees, because it is offchain.
(LN is acting as a Bank, by offering offchain notes, which they claim you can redeem for onchain Bitcoin)

Easy solution is to ignore segwit/bitcoin/LN completely as offchain transactions are untrustworthy and may be counterfeit (as you won't know for certain until you redeem your bitcoins), and you have no Onchain transaction ids to confirms LN transactions. Might as well use Paypal as LN, Paypal won't lock up your money as long as LN will.

Use Bitcoin Cash that solved the spam problem by increasing transaction capacity by 8X or use Litecoin that is 4X faster than old bitcoin.


╥Aztek

How is LN a bank? It is open source and anyone can run a lightening node. Yeah, some wallet providers or exchanges would be operating large hubs. Users are using the services provided by these exchanges and wallets and if they also use their payment channels, is there anything wrong in it? No.

PayPal and LN, really, in LN you have to lock up funds temporarily to process off chain transactions, but still you have absolute control over your funds. On chain transactions are necessary to open and close a payment channel.

LN can scale bitcoin to VISA standards. Bitcoin isn't about miners only, spamming, fee manipulation. With LN and other implementations spamming would become expensive and users can choose if they want to make an on chain transaction with a higher fee or off chain transaction at a lower fee. It's as simple as that. LN is an additional layer so if you don't want to use it, you don't have to use it.

LN might cut-short the profitability of miners/mining businesses, but it puts users on a level ground with miners.
592  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What happens if we die? on: August 19, 2017, 03:33:07 AM
Nope, this is no existential question (although...). Everybody's talking about "When will Bitcoin die", but what if you die, and your family don't find your key, or don't understand it, or think it's only a useless sheet of paper with some code on it, or simply throw it away... Does this mean the currency's gone forever?

I find the possibility of this event rather realistic (yup I don't believe in eternal life), so that means that someday there might be 21M BTC but only 18M (and counting down...) is left in the market?

Yeah, it's gone forever, lost coins.

If you are saving bitcoins for your loved ones then you should clearly explain to them how bitcoin works and how to inherit coins in case you die.

The simplest form of bitcoin inheritance is writing down the private keys on a piece of paper and storing it in a safety deposit box.

You can use bitcoin protocol for inheritance, but these are a bit technical and complicated, contract/time-locked transaction.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Contracts#Example_4%3a_Using_external_state

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Timelock

Shamir's Secret Sharing Scheme - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamir%27s_Secret_Sharing

Third-party services. Currently Coinbase doesn't allow to add a beneficiary, but through will and testament ownership of Coinbase account can be transferred.

https://support.coinbase.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2321225-how-do-i-gain-access-to-a-deceased-family-member-s-coinbase-account-

I guess in future there would be more bitcoin/crypto/digital inheritance services.
593  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Future transaction tools on: August 18, 2017, 12:13:07 PM
With the rapid development of bitcoin. Do you think bitcoin is capable of being a future transaction tool that will replace the current transaction system?

Let's split the transaction tools into physical money and digital money.

1. Almost all countries are moving towards a cashless society. About 95% of transactions are digital. It is possible that in the future governments might gradually phase out cash.

2. It's not about capability, bitcoin is designed to be a global digital payment system, right now it's more about reliability. We can assume that bitcoin would be more stable in the future and would be one of the popular digital transaction tools.

3. Banking system, conventional money, centralized electronic payment systems, would bitcoin be replacing all these. No. Realistically/logically bitcoin wouldn't replace cash/banking system, but it would definitely revolutionize the digital payment system. Not replacing, but coexisting.
594  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Corrupt Central Banks and Governments just gonna sit back and watch Bitcoin win? on: August 18, 2017, 09:03:41 AM
Biggest threat to them especially central banks is bitcoin. These elite 1% of the world population have power and control over everything and i find it hard to believe that they will let bitcoin grow and overtake them.
Central banks can create unlimited fiat money out of thin air. Can they use that unlimited fiat money to keep buying all the bitcoin to drive the price up and when it is at its highest create a huge sell order to crash bitcoin and kill it off?
Is there any suspicion now or evidence to show central banks is buying bitcoin at whatever price with their printed fiat money for the sake of crashing bitcoin?

Buying all bitcoins to crash/kill bitcoins doesn't make much sense to me. It is quite possible that central banks/governments might sooner or later start acquiring bitcoins to hold as reserve. How would the governments buy all the bitcoins? Would everybody be willing to sell their bitcoins? Simply, no. Let's assume that central banks somehow got hold of 50% bitcoins, by this time the value of bitcoin would skyrocket, would break all the records, each bitcoin would be worth a million.

What purpose does it all serve to the central banks? Nothing. Even if they managed to crash bitcoins price, would they be able to kill it. No. Bitcoin is a revolutionary idea of programmable money. Governments wouldn't simply be able to kill off bitcoin/cryptos. The best thing governments can do is like Japan and Australia legalize bitcoin and incorporate it into their economic system.
595  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin a currency or asset? on: August 18, 2017, 08:06:42 AM
Bitcoin’s very volatile prices have reignited the debate about its usefulness as a currency or as an asset. In some ways, Bitcoin suits the definition of currency quite adequately but if the volatility is less. It allows for the creation of secure and transparent transactions. Thus, can be used as a secondary currency in future. Some of the experts have huge concerns over its volatility. But, sooner or later the prices may remain less volatile as of today.

I have mentioned few points about Bitcoin as a currency or as an asset in my article here: https://atozforex.com/news/is-bitcoin-a-currency-or-asset/

What's your opinion about BTC as a currency or an asset?

Suggestions and comments appreciated  Smiley Wink

Bitcoin has attributes of both a currency and asset, store of value, unit of value, divisibility, durability, fungibility, and verifiability. Because of volatility, right now bitcoin isn't a reliable medium of exchange, but in future as it becomes more stable it would be widely used as a currency.

Bitcoin as an asset, store of value. It is different from traditional asset classes in the sense it is not correlated to other assets. So bitcoin is a new asset class.
596  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Could a future hard fork save Bitcoin from Quantum Computing? on: August 17, 2017, 10:40:55 AM
I have heard people talk about how quantum computing could kill Bitcoin, so would Bitcoin be able to "fork off" into a quantum resistant blockchain in a kind of hard fork when the time comes?

If Quantum computers become a threat to bitcoin then quantum resistant new cryptography standards can be incorporated into the bitcoin protocol as a softfork or a hardfork.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Quantum_computing_and_Bitcoin

Quantum Resistant Ledger

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1730273.0

597  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why does bitcoin has constantly increasing its price lately? on: August 17, 2017, 10:18:19 AM
I think the major reason for increase in bitcoins price is, institutional and retail investors are trading in bitcoins, especially in Japan, since bitcoin being legal gives these investors the opportunity to trade in a regulated environment. GMO, Japan's largest forex market had launched a bitcoin exchange couple of months ago, targeting retail investors in their day trading platform to trade in bitcoins.

ICOs definitely boosts bitcoins and ETH price. Filecoin ICO raised $252 million.

Segwit.

US-North Korea tension might be a small factor.
598  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why use Bitcoin for anything other than...? on: August 17, 2017, 06:08:22 AM

If I am right, MarketWatch had published an article couple of months ago on how bitcoin is complete garbage and this one isn't any different, ignorance at its best. Just compare bitcoin with dot-com bubble and draw the conclusion bitcoin is a bubble. Why because bitcoin/cryptos are used only for money laundering and playing internet poker Grin

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I could waste your time trying to evaluate them, but it’s all guesswork. It’s a bubble.

I do agree that most of the ICOs are scam, but simply because you lived through the dot-com bubble and paid off your mortgage with it, you can't guess/conclude that bitcoin is a bubble without even trying to understand the concept behind it. The writer is the one who is talking out of his hat.

Just put a clickbait title, add some nonsensical, uninformative content and publish it to get some views. Some of the bitcoin articles published on MarketWatch and Forbes are doing exactly the same, better to avoid them.
599  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Biggest Misconception About Cryptocurrency on: August 17, 2017, 04:58:56 AM
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The biggest misconception about cryptocurrency is that it’s just a passing trend, which is an emotional reaction to the paradigm shift that’s ultimately taking place. Cryptocurrency is here to stay – and as every minute passes, hundreds of thousands of new users are adopting it."

 - Ron Chernesky, CEO of investFeed


I think Ron has hit the point in here. Indeed, people are now starting to realize that Bitcoin or cryptocurrency in general is already here and it has no plan to get dead or go away soon. I am sure that many people are quite apprehensive about Bitcoin and that can be normal because Bitcoin is something still new and it can take for people to adopt and thrive. Cryptocurrency has finally arrived and those in the forefront would reap most of the benefits resulting into the use of Bitcoin and other alts.

IMO the biggest misconception about bitcoin/cryptos is that they have no real value because they aren't backed by anything. A common misconception which is repeatedly being used by some economists and investors to criticize bitcoin.

Bitcoin is backed by software, mathematics, programmable money, real. Bitcoin has the required characteristics of a currency/commodity: Scarcity, durability, portability, fungibility, divisibility, and recognizability. All these attributes defines value.

Sceptics who have this misconception wouldn't find these attributions satisfactory. There is simple logic, if bitcoin has no value then why people are trading in it? Why people are willing to spend thousands of dollars to acquire it?

Bitcoin isn't something out of thin air, it has a strong foundation. A combination of cryptography and economic incentives, cryptoeconomics. As far as people have confidence/trust in bitcoin/cryptos, they have a real value and as adoption increases, as more people trust them, their value would increase.
600  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ProtonMail officially accepts bitcoin on: August 16, 2017, 05:00:13 PM
hmm, this is very strange! i thought they have already been accepting bitcoin payments! i guess i have always seed their donation address here: https://protonmail.com/donate and made the bitcoin donation once so i automatically though they do accept bitcoin payments too!

Now, let's hope that more and more customers would be using their Bitcoin to pay for the service.

the donation address already has received 175BTC Wink

They used to accept bitcoin payments in an unofficial way by not integrating it into user dashboard, but allowing bitcoin users to upgrade by sending bitcoins to their donation address, https://blockchain.info/address/1Q1nhq1NbxPYAbw1BppwKbCqg58ZqMb9A8

And then the user had to contact the support with transaction hash and amount to get upgraded.

Now alongside credit card and PayPal they have officially added bitcoin as a payment option. This gives bitcoin more exposure. ProtonMail users who don't know about bitcoins will come to know about it.

https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/paying-with-bitcoin/
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