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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICOKE] Coca-Cola Coin on: October 01, 2018, 09:44:17 AM
It's not art, you are just copy/pasting logos.  

The art is the value of my act of copy and past an existing logo, in order to create the concept of none existing coin.  Thus it is the coin as holding a value which become the art itself.

2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICOKE] Coca-Cola Coin on: September 30, 2018, 05:23:04 PM
A coin that uses the name of a well known brand without permission from it can never be sucessful.
It either vanishes or it the company will sue it.

This coins was created as art concept. a cross between the cryptokitty collectibles (which were created about 3 years after this coin) and appropriation art like that of pop artist Andy Warhol. It is using the Coca Coal logo and name as part of the art concept.
In terms of value, art  be can worth nothing for a long time and then gain great value or never gain any value.
you may buy it or just watch it.

 



I just do my work and let it be.   I just do my work and let it be.   I just do my work and let it be.   I just do my work and let it be.  I just do my work and let it be. 
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [IDISNEY] Disney Coin on: September 21, 2018, 07:31:57 AM




MICKEY: Newton had good answers.  

MINNIE: Indeed.

MICKEY: And so did Einstein.

MINNIE: And Walt too.

MICKEY: His answer is the best!








MICKEY: Satoshi is the worst of them all!

MINNIE: Agree.

MICKEY: He couldn't even answered who he is .

MINNIE: True



4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [IDISNEY] Disney Coin on: September 21, 2018, 07:20:20 AM




MICKEY: Newton had good answers.   

MINNIE: Indeed. 

MICKEY: And so did Einstein.

MINNIE: And Walt too.

MICKEY: His answer is the best!








MICKEY: Satoshi is the worst of them all!

MINNIE: Agree.

MICKEY: He couldn't even answered who he is .

MINNIE: True

5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [IDISNEY] Disney Coin on: September 20, 2018, 09:27:31 AM




MICKEY: Newton had good answers.   

MINNIE: Indeed. 

MICKEY: And so did Einstein.

MINNIE: And Walt too.

MICKEY: His answer is the best!




6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [IDISNEY] Disney Coin on: September 20, 2018, 09:02:26 AM


MINNIE: Hi 

MICKEY: What's up? Are we back?

MINNIE: Yes. Doing what we know to do. 

MICKEY: And that would be...?

MINNIE: Giving answers.  

MICKEY: Sounds good... lets do it!!

MINNIE: Well as Newton said "Truth is ever to be found in simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things"




7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICOKE] Coca-Cola Coin on: September 17, 2018, 04:59:46 PM
These days you can call it worthless!!
You can call it worthless.  for me it have a lot of value. lets see what another 4 years will do.  Grin

8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICOKE] Coca-Cola Coin on: September 17, 2018, 02:28:18 PM
Coca-Cola Coin
The coins are an artistic representation of the company's future coins.
The coins are real and can be traded but are not backed by the company depicted in the image and name.*
[ICOKE] A Coupon-Coin*
* The "Coupon-Coin" coin model is my intellectual property

The Coca-Cola Coin is the first in a series of coins which are made
to present the future of crypto-currencies, and the future of a true free market which breaks the state's monopoly on currency.*

The coins can be traded P2P
on the counterwallet exchange platform

open wallet here to buy coins https://counterwallet.io/





"....Then I will create a CocaCola Coin.... and other industry coins.
Each coin will be created as an illustration for the real coins these industry may create one day"



*
The representation of each company is done using the artistic freedom, an artist
like myself has, to paint a very clear vision of the reality I wish to represent

[ICOKE] Coupon-Coin sale

A limited addition of 10,000 [ICOKE] coins have been issued on Counterwallet
Each coin will act as a Coupon to buy my product at a discount.
1 bottles of Coca-Cola for 1 Coca-Cola coin.
My Coca-Cola bottles are art pieces, Original art prints, using the Coca-Cola brand images
These rt piece can be bought using any currency but using the [ICOKE] gives a discount.
1 coin unit sells for 0.01 bitcoin and 1 art piece unit sells for 0.1 bitcoin or more

1 [ICOKE] coin  = 1 Coca-Coal soda bottle*
*This bottle is an art piece not real soda bottle

1[ICOKE] coin = 0.01 Bitcoin*
*coins that are issued and put in the market for sell in the first round

1 Coca-Cola soda bottle* = 0.1 bitcoin*
* The art bottles can be bought directly with bitcoin but the coin acts as a coupon.
 In the real Coca- Cola coins case it will make sense to keep a much smaller gap between the market price and the coupon coins.


COUPON-COIN monetary model





1 coupon unit = 1 product unit
price of 1 coupon unit < price of 1 product unit in the market


The coupon units has no expiration date (unlike most coupons)
The coupon units will always be redeemable by issuer (or risk management agent) for the monetary value that it was issued at.


The monetary benefits of the model:

1. coin value stability - A value that range between the market price of the product unit ,and the issue price of the coupon unit.
    The smaller the gap is, the less fluctuations of value are possible
2. Ease of rating the real value and risks of the coin - The balance of,  products in production, damned for this product and the total value of      
    other assets can be evaluated to determine the real value of the coin at any given momen






These coins is where fiction meets reality.

*The representation of each company is done using the artistic freedom to depict any image in order to create the artistic clear vision of reality that I wish to represent.
                  


 



Independent-Currencies Market

As virtual wallets are taking shape and the rise of Bitcoin shatters the paradigm of money held for centuries,
the roads are now open for industries and corporate to start capitalizing directly with their own issued currency.
Also communities of users such as the social networks and organisations are ready to put their community power in the market and create their own currencies.
We are approaching this stage demonstrated by Coca-Cola Coin [ICOKE] as we speak,however this is only the beginning.....

Payment on work
Choice of payment on work will become the greatest factor to determine these new currencies value. The primary value of a coin, that which on its behalf the currency was issued, will rise dramatically once a person will ask to be payed on his/her work with this coin. By making a choice in which currency one is getting paid, this personís work become valued as a product of the industry he choose to be paid by its currency. Thus the currency is now representing not only the future products of the industry that issued it, but also the future products (of any industry) gained by that personís work.
This factor will have great effect on the future credit market and will stop the abusive practices of the current banking system


Credit
The greatest force in modern economy is credit, all currencies originated in credit, and any expansion of the money in circulation is based on credit.
In the current system central banks and commercial banks through the consent of the states are the ones issuing credit in a form of fiat money.
But credit in itself is originating in a system of trust and can not be owned by any state.
This so called trust is backed by credit rating which is a combination of statistical data and periodical evaluations.
Thus it is the evaluation process which will soon favor the currencies which will perform better than that of the national currencies.
This free evaluation process will expend the credit market into the independent currencies market.



INTEREST FREE CREDIT COINS
Since most of us need credit to buy our education, cars and homes, we will "work" for the currencies which will provide us with the best credit package.
Credit provider which will share profit with it's users community will be most attractive to users and thus create grater demand to its coin


This is still alive.... these days you can call it "collectibles". 
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: June 09, 2018, 08:03:11 PM
i probably I know HMC better then I know you

not true and you know that.  Grin

You know very well several people who know me very well.

'probably'.  Grin Grin Grin

I do not care about somebody else's imaginary friends.

I care about ... ethics.

So you say you have two 'employees'?

One you know very well, and who included you in his close circle - all this 'verified' by significant amount of tokens distro to you, right?
Interesting figure - people who PAY you to work for you. Well done!

The other one is ... a ghost.
Never bothered to meet you, to tell you who is he/she ...?
Never gave you anything?
No strings attached. No engagement. ZERO opportunity for reputation enforcement - do you at all notice that very important fact?
So convenient. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_fraud , anybody? )


Okay, maybe some fancy story is in place on why such anonymity must be in place.
The ghost is so silverless than it refuses to monetize 'the same project'.
But not so much 'silverless' to refuse 'donation' of other people's money. ...



You dont make any sense , I give up. (and not going to invest more time here)
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: June 08, 2018, 11:55:11 AM

Just wanted to make sure that 'HMC' exists.
 

HMC exist in some form that matters to the development of the project. beyond that I dont care who or what its is. (I dont plan to have babies with him/her/it
....actualy maybe artificial AI babies Smiley )...

But really, Karov ,I just dont get your obsession with his/her rea-llife identity.  (it reflect really bad on your team in my opinion)  In fact i probably I know HMC better then I know you and most important I can predict his/her/it  behavior better than yours  and much better than the behavior of many selling ICO founders. 

Also, I would not even bother answering such a peculiar request regarding knowing who HMC is , But I guess I need to understand the issue here as a strong supporter of the tauchain project and as one who want to see it reaching genesis.

MY (?) obsession with finment of your imagination, fleshed out only by a nick and line of words?
Same as Santa or the Big Spaghetti monster?
Classical case of ... belief.
Belief is a relation - one side is the believer and the other side is ... (you name it)?

The bottom line is you do not know who and/or what HMC is but accept that you are 'employer' of this ... thing?
And 'employer' which YOU pay so he/she/it to work for you?
And you pay ... it with assets which have been entrusted to you for committing yourself to a KNOWN one.

I understood enough.
No need to continue this 'discussion'.
Thanks.  Grin Grin Grin



Wow, as I just said : But really, Karov ,I just dont get your obsession with his/her rea-llife identity.  (it reflect really bad on your team in my opinion)  In fact i probably I know HMC better then I know you and most important I can predict his/her/it  behavior better than yours ...
 
I am really surprised by your comment Karov...and since the newtau is all about discussions.... so we should differently carry on... Grin Grin Grin Grin
11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: June 08, 2018, 10:26:14 AM

Just wanted to make sure that 'HMC' exists.
 

HMC exist in some form that matters to the development of the project. beyond that I dont care who or what its is. (I dont plan to have babies with him/her/it
....actualy maybe artificial AI babies Smiley )...

But really, Karov ,I just dont get your obsession with his/her rea-llife identity.  (it reflect really bad on your team in my opinion)  In fact i probably I know HMC better then I know you and most important I can predict his/her/it  behavior better than yours  and much better than the behavior of many selling ICO founders. 

Also, I would not even bother answering such a peculiar request regarding knowing who HMC is , But I guess I need to understand the issue here as a strong supporter of the tauchain project and as one who want to see it reaching genesis.
12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: June 08, 2018, 09:56:53 AM


...I am planing to write more extensively next time presenting you with both forks of the Old Tauchain,  NewTau and Autonomic , and give you some insights into the actual development and what it will still take to get to genesis.
... Also important for me to state that I trust Ohad in terms of making his best efforts to bring this project to its genesis moment and beyond to see it succeed. He is a very honest person and very capable as well, and so is HMC and his devoted team. This social experiment as a whole is something you all should be excited about. I do believe that it have a chance to bring great value to us all (including great financial value ) so "Hodle" on and step up your social involvement and by no means do not expect me to lead you anywhere, I am an anarchist! and an artist (an anarchist will never say "after me"", its against everything they stand for, and an artist dont need you in order to do her work).
Love and Peace (The optimists.)

Ok, Lets talk about value of a coin and the development of the markets . Then we will be able to asses the real value of Agoras

First the markets: As you all know one of the main parameters traders are looking at is coin market cap , There is nothing more idiotic than this factor in terms of calculating the real value of a coin. If I made a 1 trillion Nilicoin and sold 1 on an exchange for $10 then my market cap will be 10 trillion dollars. ofc this will be seem a bit problematic to some of the less stupid traders but if I have say half a million dollars I can create a few fake accounts  to buy and sell my own tokens at a volume of a few million.every day. within less of a day I will get hundreds of investors to start trading and in a few weeks I could reach the top ten coins in the market. That is if I also create a good story and market it well.

Now take Cardano for an example .https://www.cardano.org/en/genesis-block-distribution/  they created some biillions 31,112,484,646 (does anyone of the average investor even know how to read that insane number and realize what it means) and sold on a presale 5,185,414,108 ( so eventually the figures on the market cap, which should represent some real value would put them on the top ten)  Like most ICO they ofc did not need to have their own dollars (ether) they only needed to presale to some big investors who know that all they need to do is buy and sell their new investment (ADA)  The activity alone will get the attention of the market and the number..... Remember the billions of coins made at a click of a button?? well now they worth millions of dollars on the market cap.....

So now lets look at the content and the important factors in terms of the future real use and real value of both ADA and AGRS. In other words lets look what Cardano have that tauchin is missing:  

1. Do Cardano have a working platform?
2. Are Cardano closer to genesis then any both newtau and autonomic?
3. Is Cardano idea more original and better executed than Tauchain?
4. Did Cardano's founder and core team show more commitment then the original Tauchain team?
5. Do they present greater understanding of the product they aim to develop?
6. And finally, is Cardano in greater odds to create a functioning platform that will deliver the premises they stated publicly?

What if I tell you that on all the above Cardano in fact are far behind Tauchain.  You probably will have a hard time agreeing with me, but that is only because you are trained to be in the consensus, and to agree with what the majority agree on. and for a good reasons, yet as chaos get greater and greater, free thinking increases proportionally. ( In terms of the crypto markets we are about to be reaching some peeks of chaos. I assume that pretty soon many are going to realize the sheer stupidity of market cap as such a major factor and will panic. but probably  will take a while longer then I estimate Smiley)

So back to assessing the  real value of Agoras vs. Cardano below are the answer:

1. NO
2. NO. Cardano only have more developers working to figure out the way but is more developers means reaching the goal faster? would Einstain reach relativity faster if he worked with a full team of researchers that would swamp his desk with data? probably not. In terms of Cardano its much worth...
3.NO. if fact they practically used the information that made public in early 2015 on the tauchain project and took of from there (by march to be exact, that is when I introduced tauchain to Charless hoskins )
4.NO. the founder Charless hoskins show commitment to crypto but been jumping between many projects, most which were conceived by others.
5. NO. you can trust me on that but go check for yourselves
6. NO. Look at Etherume and all that it promised to do, with all the money poured into it and the hoards of developers we got an ERC20 contract that semiwork until funds are hacked in the smart contracts, and a breeding kitties that clogged the entire network, and that is a platform that have its own founder as the developer. The founder of Cardano is not the main developer of the platfrom. he is the main marketing figure.

.... and now finally check out the value of the economy promised by the Cardano project that is so much legging behind the tauchain project (on its two branches newtau and autonomic)  the Market cap of ADA vs. the market cap of Agoras, and ask yourself which of the two is more likely to get closer to that figure.

You are now  ready to assess the true value of your investment in AGRS for the time being. I would say that at this point holding it is a smart move( even if not made with much choice).
13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: June 07, 2018, 09:26:12 PM

... and the other (AutoNomic) that is being directed by HMC and executed by two of the original developers @stoopkid and @koo. ... , HMC or any of the others say or think,
... It is important to note that all along and since the beginning HMC is rejecting the tokens sale as part of the development practices and never agreed to take any of it to himself or be reworded with bitcoin on his work .

... very honest person and very capable as well, ans so is HMC and his devoted team.

Nili, did she reveal to you her true identity?!

Who reveal their identity? HMC?  What is an identity in this time and age.and why should I care about it? so far I saw HMC committeemen and devotion to the project as he/she understand it just as I see ohad's committeemen and devotion to his view of the same project. In I way I see it as if they both work for me Smiley that is since we  kind of share the same view and the same interests. Bottom line identity have nothing to do with anything eventually its reputation that build trust .
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: June 07, 2018, 10:18:16 AM

When we come to asses the benefit of a decentralized system we are looking at the operation itself and not at how it was created.

Hi

This is a call to the old Tauchain community as a whole regarding  the current state of the community of investors and what I see as the token's prospects in the future. As you can see I was probably the first member to come on board and to pledge for the project and chose to stay involved throughout the turbulent which involved a lot of drama. In fact at some point I was offered by Ohad to replace my Agoras holdings with bitcoins and refused. That is since despite all, I believed in the project and in the abilities of the people who lead it.

As you may know the project have split to two different projects, One that is still being lead by Ohad (newTau) and the other (AutoNomic) that is being directed by HMC and executed by two of the original developers @stoopkid and @koo. A few months ago I made a decision to invest half of my own Agoras to help finance some of the AutoNomic development, devoting 1/3 of the funds to develop the application to run on the blockchain and that will use the Agoras as it's utility token. This move was received with much suspicion and hostility from part of the community. and by Ohad himslef. However I see it as a great and unique opportunity to test the true essence of a ideas behind the Tauchain and the real power of a community which developed around the value of a token.

So from this point on I am operating on my behalf only. In other words. I dont care what Ohad, HMC or any of the others say or think, As long as they are whiling to accept my investment and my words on the thread and to carry on with their mission of reaching genesis so let that be. In practice, however Ohad is the owner of this thread and can delete my comments  or delete the thread as a whole, but I think it will be a really unwise step to take as I am a part of the community.  I believe also that each and one of you should make themselves heard here on this platform if you agree with me or if you disagree and feel that I am hurtng the Agoras holder interest. I also think that this as a social/economic experiment should be of much value to us all...and that value will be eventually expressed by the token value. which bring me to the last point here, the current state of Agoras tokens

Ever since the token been taken off Bittrex it was not able to recover . but worth it seems as if the trade throguh OpenLedger have been very problematic.Let me thus sum in details the current state of the token as summarized by another holder of the asset and was brought to my attention :

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Technical aspects:
1) Agoras as it currently exists is an extremely problematic asset.
It's been 3 different intermediate tokens: OMNI #35 Agoras Tokens; OMNI #58 IDNI Agoras; and now Open.AGRS.

OMNI #35 no longer exists, because Ohad accidentally  gave half of all the tokens to a "hacker". (CA problems)
OMNI #58 is no longer exchangeable. When it was last exchangeable it was for Open.AGRS. Open.AGRS shut down their exchange gateway ~2 months ago but the Tau team isn't presenting this information, on the BitcoinTalk thread everybody's still saying you can trade on Openledger, which is true, but it's trading Open.AGRS which is a different asset from OMNI #58. You can't sell OMNI #58 anywhere. Further, what's been said on BitcoinTalk is to buy Open.AGRS, but this isn't buying OMNI #58, you can't withdraw Open.AGRS for OMNI #58.

3 intermediate tokens, none are exchangeable and the latest two are misrepresented (accidentally or otherwise), and last one existence entirely at the discretion of the CA Openledger..

Meanwhile, the only thing that's really made public about Ohad's definition of Tau is that it keeps changing. I'm not sure what "Agoras" even "is". How can we really say that the future value of Agoras on Tau is backing the value if we don't even have a definition of Agoras or Tau? He really hasn't put out very much content (blog-posts or code or math) to demonstrate whatever ideas he has.I try really hard to give the benefit of the doubt, but I certainly don't think that Agoras markets are something we can count on happening on their own.

At this point it seems as if that is indeed the case and this should be resolved by the NewTau team. So at least any holder of the omni asset #58 can exchange to Open.Agors asset, At this point I also feel that the Openledger platform is in fact a trust based platform and is in power regarding the creation and manipulation of the original Omni #58 asset. its almost worse than a centralized exchange. In short Agoras Holders who did not exahanged to Agoras.Open. are forces into a "Hodle" state of affairs for the time beings and  as such should recalculate their steps and invest effort in the community if they still believe in the project as a whole.

I am planing to write more extensively next time presenting you with both forks of the Old Tauchain,  NewTau and Autonomic , and give you some insights into the actual development and what it will still take to get to genesis. However for the relly clever ones here, I think that you can see that the tau have been up and running as a social/value network ever since the first day that it was conceived . and that the actual real genesis accrued when we  joined to create it.  It is important to note that all along and since the beginning HMC is rejecting the tokens sale as part of the development practices and never agreed to take any of it to himself or be reworded with bitcoin on his work . Aslo as agreed by both him and Ohad , the rootchain can not be tokenized , only the applications above it.

I dont know if this post will be able to stay on the air on this thread but so far Ohad did not censored any of my comments as difficult as they where for him to accept. Also important for me to state that I trust Ohad in terms of making his best efforts to bring this project to it genesis moment and beyond to see it succeed. He is a very honest person and very capable as well, ans so is HMC and his devoted team. This social experiment as a whole is something you all should be excited about. I do believe that it have a chance to bring great value to us all (including great financial value ) so "Hodle" on and step up your social involvement and by no means do not expect me to lead you anywhere, I am an anarchist! and an artist (an anarchist will never say "after me"", its against everything they stand for, and an artist dont need you in order to do her work).
Love and Peace (The optimists.)
15  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: March 11, 2018, 08:52:43 AM
Please help explain. It's my first time using omniwallet, tried to buy AGORAS using Tether. I would like to know why in the options on how much to pay btc for miners, it is on Total transaction cost: 0.00004368 BTC and my total BTC From address available: 0.00470476 BTC. Once I executed the order, all my total BTC from address was almost completely gone.   Huh Care to ask why it get almost all my BTC? Thanks for the explanation in advance.

PS, we need exchange asap. maybe kucoin or hitbtc would be a good start.

you get the btc balance back once the transaction is executed. its a very wired feature of the omni wallet. dont know why it is designed that way. and they sure need to let people know of it since it makes everyone panic . I just dont keep much bitcoin in the wallets that are more active. only enough for some transaction. (cant get used to see the bitcoin leave the wallet like that , even if only for a short time)
16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: January 30, 2018, 02:02:09 PM


are we in a cult of personality?

Notice the largest governance ICO to date was Tezos... What a disaster/

Can both theories and teams work on the one chain?

let is compete and indeed merge and fork and whatever.

I think both teams want to find truth and work ability and usability..

Lets not infight. But go back to the roots of exploration.

Can this work out?

8. Following that same line of reasoning I have decided to invest  my share of Agoras ( a share granted to me as having some key influences in the beginning and which was fully given to me by Ohad a while back) to help speed the development attempted by the Autonomic team. This move for lack of trust was perceived by Ohad as a betrayal . However I have constructed it (according to HMC suggestion) as a payment program that follow a milestones outline. In fact at that point I act as the treasurer of the Autonomic project.


Can HMC bury the hatchet?

The older gentleman?

Iam imagine if the team was back together. Diversity in opinion again being encouraged and relished..

Unity within disunity.

Or another tezos from trying to tackle governance..

or correct me if i am wrong and both these dicks are fighting over money??





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Can both theories and teams work on the one chain?

No they can't!
After much debate regarding the very fundamentals of the chain, they still each assume a different logic framework. However the goal was and stayed the same for both teams regarding the requirements that the chain must satisfy eventually.

Now they also in disagreement on the stages that it takes to get there and if all stages are completely decentralized. So the gap is far to great to bridge for the two teams to work on the same chain. However the investors are that bridge since their investment is still funding the efforts of both teams  as it should be. (though is a concept that is hard to comprehend coming from the economics of a national currency monopoly).
Maybe will be useful to view that first from a consumer point of view as having two firm trying to get the best product, but then as a shareholder in both products which will benefit fro both success while is insured against a failure of one firm. Best deal ever for the investor, worst deal for the developer.

So no , they are not here for the money since if that was their goal they would have never split. way too much work having to compete and far more pressure for each team not talking about the personal price payed in getting to that point that lead to a split.

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let is compete and indeed merge and fork and whatever.

I think both teams want to find truth and work ability and usability..

Lets not infight. But go back to the roots of exploration.

Can this work out?

That is what I try to do, and it should workout even if the disagreement continue.

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Iam imagine if the team was back together. Diversity in opinion again being encouraged and relished..

Unity within disunity.

Or another tezos from trying to tackle governance..

or correct me if i am wrong and both these dicks are fighting over money??[/b]

You got it better on the first try Smiley
they can not be back together , for unity they do not need to work together only our interest as investors should align. also there is no need to worry for a split in the community since both teams are working for all investor's interest .
Tezos is a result of making a lot of money over someone's else work and ideas without a deep enough understanding of what was behind these ideas.  And so is Cardano, on that by the way I can testify since I was the person introducing tauchain to Charles Hoskinson in person, back in march 2015 when he was still talking and working on totally other things.

Unlike Tezos and Cardano Tauchain and Autonomic are developed by the original thinkers and developers who came up with the concept to begin with. So they dont need hundreds of developers  and other team member to make up for the the lack of clarity in their goal, they can pretty much do it through their own work.
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: January 24, 2018, 09:20:43 AM
Why doesnít the autonomic project do an ico to raise money to fund their project?

One of the biggest problem of cryptocurrency is the lack of understanding of value , how it is created and how it is linked to a coin.
This problem carry on to the markets which does not reflect a rational value  since is using charts belonging to the fiat based stock-market and is mostly effected by traders who are used to that economy rules (but I will not address  the market issu on this reply)

On this reply I will address the issue of the Agoras token value and how the "Autonomic" branch of the project should increase that value, I will do that by mapping the evolution of the token:

1. 42,000,000 Coins where created by Ohad who is one of the two founders of the original Tauchain project.

2. These coins were issued to fund and eventually activate a platform named Zennet https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=736447.0 which Ohad started on his own and which was planned to enable decentralized contracts (for computing power at first) payed for by the token. The token sale started then and some initial investors already got in.

3.  HMC met Ohad around that time and both decided to  develop together the Tauchain which gives rise to the notion of the network being self-defining Sort of a "piece of code that download itself from github and execute it, again and again, while the code might be changed and do additional operations in the meanwhile. A Tau client downloads its own code from the root chain: it downloads a block, executes the code in it, and this code instructs how to download and run the next block. By that, the client understands the blockchain according to the network rules that were relevant at that point of time when the block was created. http://www.idni.org/blog/projectroadmap .

4. Ohad then decided that the original Zennet development would also move on to Tauchain and would be developed on the Tau rootchain as an app. For the investors that ment a delay in the actual execution of the token activated app, but for the price of developing  a much more advance autonomous ecosystem . On the way the investors gained the participation of a developer, some argue is at the top of his game.  His name on the bitcointalk forum is HunterMinerCrafter, which is how Ohad knew him and still is the only identity he goes by.    The tokens, now  named Agoras, moved on to the Tauchain projects and the sell continued under that new and more fundamental paradigm of a blockchain. While the root of that chain was never design to use or implement a token, Ohad affirmed his investors by committing to develop the Agoras activated app on the tauchian right after genesis of the Tauchain.

5. Once Tauchain was introduced by the two founders, Ohad and HMC, the new investors took on to the premise of that revolutionary self-defining network concept and invested in Agoras based on that.  

6. A dispute regarding the logic by which the underline language should be designed  resulted in a split leaving Ohad to lead the Tauchain development based on a new design while HMC with two other developers moved on to created Autonomic and continue executing the original design of the "old" Tauchain. They did not take any of the funds with them and did not commit to implement any app once genesis is achieved. iI terms of the investors half of the Tauchain effort that they invested in was no more funded by their investment.
 
7. Being involved in the project from the beginning ,( perceiving it as a crucial point to allow for a decentralized governing technology to be formed), I pleaded HMC and his team to ask for their share of the funds in order to support their branch of the development to create the rootchain on which the Agoras activated app would then be built. That request was also founded on Ohad's initial commitment to build the Agoras activated app on a chain that would prove to work. However this did not go well  since by that time the trust between the different developers reached an all time low.

8. Following that same line of reasoning I have decided to invest  my share of Agoras ( a share granted to me as having some key influences in the beginning and which was fully given to me by Ohad a while back) to help speed the development attempted by the Autonomic team. This move for lack of trust was perceived by Ohad as a betrayal . However I have constructed it (according to HMC suggestion) as a payment program that follow a milestones outline. In fact at that point I act as the treasurer of the Autonomic project.

9. To make sure that the Autonomic project will keep the vested interest of the Agoras Token holders  I have restricted all payment to be delivered in Agoras tokens as well as keeping all funds in Agoras token. This funding structure acts as insurance against a malicious damp while clearly incentive the Autonomic crew to work on behalf of the increased value to the Agoras tokens.

10. For the Angoras investors this move double the chance for return on their investment. Let me describe that in more details:
     A.  Assuming both chains would end up working out and on each a different Agoras based app would work then this would be like splitting the supply of the coins between two
          application. ( I hope that the math is clear to all Wink ) .
     B.  On the other hand since assuming a failure to construct a rootchain is an option , the chances for such failure, having two active teams working on two different approaches
          to this yet unresolved problem, just been reduced to half (I hope that this math is also clear to all Tongue).
     C.  I have great respect both for Ohad and HMC, I know both to be at the top of this game and to devote themselves for what they believe is the right way to achieve the same
          goal. However since both are yet to prove which is design is right. (maybe both would end up being complementary to each other) We as the investors are now put back in
          the position of gaining from the work of both teams despite the split and the distrust created along that fault line.



18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: January 21, 2018, 01:27:59 PM
- u guys have any funding?

We are an open, voluntary collaboration.  We do not generally seek funding or offer any vestment vehicle, as we find it antithetical to the aims of the project.  (You are of course welcome and encouraged to support the project in other ways, including funding individual developers directly at your discretion - we just don't promise any sort of monetary ROI from the project on such.)




This brunch (of the tauchian split) s now supported by the Agoras tokens as well.


namely as an act of betrayal nili decided to give from the tokens i gave her (for supporting the project ~3 years long) to support the autonomic "project", which is much less of a competitor, and much more of a vandalist enemy. so take into account that 100k tokens are now allocated to them thanks to nili. this ofc will be deduced from the 0.5% of the tokens i promised to hmc once he reveals his identity to the community (the latter requirement came after he showed maliciuous behavior)

Why would he need to proof his identity? You are the one who has been taking millions of dollars for 3 years now not him.
You have collected millions and don't even tell people what country you live in...seems legit.

Ohad needed the funds and is using them for the development of the tauchian .
It has been taking all that time since both Ohad and HMC are in for the right construction , not the money, the tokens are the means to achieve that .

But yes have nothing to do with HMC identity. that was never part of the agreement between them. and so is Ohad's where about. it is his personal issue as is HMC identity .

HMC is not taking any payment. that was his standpoint all along and still is. He is whiling to participate in the development of the split (named autonomic)that is now funded with the Agoras tokens. as he also stated  in that quote above. so all interest are align even if feelings and egos are hurt.   
19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: January 21, 2018, 01:10:23 PM
- u guys have any funding?

We are an open, voluntary collaboration.  We do not generally seek funding or offer any vestment vehicle, as we find it antithetical to the aims of the project.  (You are of course welcome and encouraged to support the project in other ways, including funding individual developers directly at your discretion - we just don't promise any sort of monetary ROI from the project on such.)




This brunch (of the tauchian split) s now supported by the Agoras tokens as well.


namely as an act of betrayal nili decided to give from the tokens i gave her (for supporting the project ~3 years long) to support the autonomic "project", which is much less of a competitor, and much more of a vandalist enemy. so take into account that 100k tokens are now allocated to them thanks to nili. this ofc will be deduced from the 0.5% of the tokens i promised to hmc once he reveals his identity to the community (the latter requirement came after he showed maliciuous behavior)

As I may understand  Ohad's view as this being an act of betrayal, from my point of view I see it as the optimal action taken assuming the unresolved argument regarding the fundamentals of the construction of the tauchain as visioned both by Ohad and HMC.  
20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: January 21, 2018, 12:46:50 PM
- u guys have any funding?

We are an open, voluntary collaboration.  We do not generally seek funding or offer any vestment vehicle, as we find it antithetical to the aims of the project.  (You are of course welcome and encouraged to support the project in other ways, including funding individual developers directly at your discretion - we just don't promise any sort of monetary ROI from the project on such.)




This brunch (of the tauchian split) s now supported by the Agoras tokens as well.

The main developers of the original Tauchain Ohad and HMC have always been fully engaged with the project, however that engagement resulted in harsh disagreements which led to the split. The other two developers of the original tauchian, Koo and stoopkid  guided by HMC are now working on the autonomic branch drafting the milestones and estimated timeline.  
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