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1241  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-09-12 forbes.com - Key Disclosure Laws Can Be Used To Confiscate Bitcoin As on: September 13, 2012, 01:15:54 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I'm not really clear about how a situation could arise where the court would demand for the private key to a bitcoin wallet. If the crime was receiving money for some illegal activity, all they would have to do is prove that someone had the private key to the public address. They would have to know something linking you to the public key in the first place to charge you with a crime.  Your financial transaction history would be on the block chain, hence, public. I'm not a lawyer, so perhaps I just don't get it.


They are going to want the money eventually.
1242  Economy / Economics / Re: Lost Bitcoins on: September 13, 2012, 01:10:29 PM
it could be that in the future everyone ( and by everyone i mean the miners, since they have asb authority over the bitcoin protocol ) will decide to mine the lost coins.
they will do this by sending out a new version of bitcoin client and ask everyone to send their coins to this new wallet.
any coins left behind during the move will be made available for mining.

this idea has been thrown around, and I'm 99.9% sure it will happen, after all its up to the miners, and what kind of miner would say no to MINE MORE COINS!?

Miners can do whatever they want, assign 200 per block, play WOW, move to Antarctica. But if they make changes they aren't mining Bitcoin and people who wan't bitcoins just ignore them. The only thing that matters is what people are accepting for goods and services and right now the only crypto-currency anyone is accepting at all is 100% durable.
1243  Economy / Gambling / Re: SealsWithClubs.eu - We have bitcoin poker action on: September 13, 2012, 12:55:19 PM
There was a problem with the 3am guarantee and it was 250 chips short, made it right manually.
1244  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-09-12 forbes.com - Key Disclosure Laws Can Be Used To Confiscate Bitcoin As on: September 13, 2012, 02:52:37 AM

Possible / practical?

Keep coins in 20 addresses. Have remote online computer monitor those addresses. if 1 of 20 addresses has a withdraw, move all coins in the other 19 to panic address.

If they put all the addresses in one wallet and make one tx you'll be too slow. Best hacking practices are to do it all at once, so odds are pretty bad imo.
1245  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-09-12 forbes.com - Key Disclosure Laws Can Be Used To Confiscate Bitcoin As on: September 13, 2012, 12:44:19 AM
"We demand you give us the private keys to these addresses within 24 hours!"

Transfer bitcoins.

"Here ya go"
1246  Other / Politics & Society / Re: In an AnCap society, would it be possible to eat your children? on: September 12, 2012, 10:59:06 PM
To the title, you can do that right now. What stops you?
It would be horribly wrong.
But for the more twisted people: The threat of a long prison sentence. Would this also happen in AnCap, even though the child has no defence company? Could a company do it "pro bono"? Would regulating affairs between non-customers open up for morality laws?it). Ok

Do you believe that laws and the fear of prison are what stops people from eating their children? Really? I mean I'd think most people don't eat their children because they love then and, well, it's pretty universally accepted (with exceptions) that eating people is bad. Government doesn't have anything to do with that.

You could eat your children now. Are you saying that the main thing that stops you from doing so is that you're afraid of prison?

No you misunderstood, if he didn't put it that way noone would want to discuss how child abuse could be handled without everyone assuming the local government knows what to do about it.

Really that is an interesting question though. What do they do? My niave understanding is that usually they remove the kids from the bad situation and put in the care of family, if possible, and if not, in the hands of some kind of local community run association.

My slightly less naive understanding is that they usually do nothing <insert insane stat about how everyone most children get abused> and when they do do something it often involves placing the children with abusers and rapists and the people hiding behind the organizations that do it are never considered accomplices.
1247  Other / Politics & Society / Re: In an AnCap society, would it be possible to eat your children? on: September 12, 2012, 10:56:51 PM
Seemingly more pressing question "Is it possible to eat your children in our current society?"

Yes, it is possible.
1248  Economy / Gambling / Re: SealsWithClubs.eu - We have bitcoin poker action on: September 12, 2012, 10:52:50 PM
Donkdown.com tourney tonight at 10:30pm ET. 5BTC in prizes absolutely free to enter.

1249  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-09-11 pcworld.com - Interest in BitCoin, Fledgling Electronic Currency, Gro on: September 12, 2012, 06:49:03 PM
http://taobao.com/

and....
1250  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cold storage security on: September 12, 2012, 05:35:24 PM
You can either easily access the coins all the time (including during a robbery) or not.

If you want to suddenly be -unable- to access them, just send them to an address with a key that you don't have handy (something like cas describes). That doesn't help if someone decides they don't believe you or don't care, but at this point it is pretty much someone randomly murdering you because you use bitcoin.
1251  Other / Off-topic / Re: Vlad "plots" aginst best freind scammer Matthew N. Wright on: September 12, 2012, 04:00:11 PM
I'll sell my 250BTC for 25BTC.
1252  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Need help to not lose bitcoins on: September 12, 2012, 04:29:45 AM
Actually, the sourceforge blockchain is only to block 170k.  If you're already within 10k blocks of finished then there's no point in downloading it again.

All you have to do is exit, update to 0.6.2, then fire it up again.  It will pick up where it left off.

But I will need to put my wallet.dat file somewhere after installing 0.6.2, correct?

Where does it need to go?

You don't need to move it at all. But back it up just in case.

On an old version you'll need to go to C:\Users\user\AppData\Roaming\Bitcoin it might be hidden.
1253  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Convention - BTC or btc? on: September 12, 2012, 04:25:19 AM
just like you would write:

I want you to shave my squirrel for 10 dollars

not

I want you to shave my squirrel for 10 Dollars

yes?


The term "dollar" can be generic. It has been applied to many currencies. If I want to imply I was using US Dollars, I would say Dollars.

I may be off-kilter. Let's see what others have to say.

You are off.

Why would capitalization imply your specific type of dollar when there are lots of types of dollars?

Folks, that is a trick question and neither form is correct.

For everyone knows that squirrels won't let anyone shave them.

I don't always shave squirrels. But when I do

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I use Trendon Shavers.
1254  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Gigamining math on: September 12, 2012, 03:53:43 AM
Calling it a scam because you think the price set by free participants spending their own money is wrong makes no sense.

You don't like the price, you don't buy it.

I met Giga, very nice guy, solid mining plan imo, I'm confident he'll be able and willing to deliver exactly what he promises. I bought no bonds because I thought they were priced higher than they were worth, that's all there is to it.
1255  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Response on: September 12, 2012, 03:31:46 AM
He obviously means a trusted THIRD PARTY.

For Matt could have written up a letter explaining the prank and how even if he won he would not under any circumstances expect the losers to pay or seek any consequences for them, dated it,  then digitally signed it.  He could then have a trusted third party (say Gavin) digitally sign it as a notary.  Even better would to then take a hash of the final double signed document and put that hash in the OP.
That would have required the trusted third party to know that Matthew wasn't going to pay out and collude with him in concealing that fact from all the BS&T investors who were using his bet to hedge their potential losses. I'm honestly not sure whether anyone willing to do that could be called trustworthy.

Why? He could sign it and send it to the 3rd party to sign, then post it. There's no need for the 3rd party to know the contents of the message until the 9th.

Exactly.  The trusted party would simply be acting as a notary of sorts "Yes Matt delivered this digitally signed (possibly encrypted) doc to me on xx/xx/xx".  

Doesn't someone need to know it so that it can be revealed even if he wins and doesn't want it revealed?

And what is the pretense for withholding info at all "here's a message that may or may not say I'm totally kidding". I mean in the future now mostly.
1256  Other / Off-topic / Re: I am bitcoin 0 again on: September 11, 2012, 10:27:24 PM
Bitcoin is exactly what it was before you got ripped off. If you rationally evaluate things on their own merits your life will be better than otherwise.
1257  Economy / Gambling / Re: Let's play a game on: September 11, 2012, 10:23:27 PM
Status: 0/unconfirmed
Date: 11/09/2012 23:06
From: unknown
To: 13pLHUm8gPEN5H4xvTg8pqFHcr24ywzY1Z (yours, label: first)
Credit: 0.50 BTC
Net amount: +0.50 BTC
Transaction ID: 846d84f010b61c69996387d56ed1241c967d5476c5a04c469bf092d757162c06

Just waiting for confirm

Just fyi, Seals has accepted hundreds of thousands of bitcoins from nearly a thousand strangers at 0 confirms with no trouble. I'm not saying Seals is 100% safe to do that, but that tx you just got is going to confirm 100% of the time. No one is double spending you for half a coin.
1258  Economy / Economics / Re: Doubt about Bitcoin's growth potential on: September 11, 2012, 09:19:29 PM
Why does it need to replace the current debt system in order to be be a success?  They can run in parallell.  You dont have to have one or the other!  I think that the adption of bitcoin is a better measure of its success rather than the demise of the current system.

It can only attain a tiny tiny fraction of current systems unless it is solidly better. Once it is widely accepted and solidly better it's just going to crush. The USD etc are not things that can partly crash. If ~half of the value rushes out of them and into bitcoin the rest will follow.

edit: maybe I didn't read carefully, I was just thinking "current system" and nothing about debt in particular. Debts are going to be denominated in whatever currency people use because that's the only convenient way to do it.
1259  Economy / Speculation / Re: What is Bitcoin's tipping point? on: September 11, 2012, 09:16:32 PM
The tipping point was when Bitcoin reached parity with the US dollar. Now it's just a matter of time.

Not that tipping point is some kind of well defined thing... but if we're going from the point at which it was inevitable I'd say the pizzas or thereabout.

Later (maybe not too much later) there will be a point where things start happening really fast (seeming unstoppable to everyone) and that's more what I think of as a tipping point.
1260  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Will draw anything for Bitcoins! Cont. on: September 11, 2012, 08:29:00 PM
Draw seals playing poker.
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