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341  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why some millionaires hate Bitcoin? on: June 13, 2021, 06:29:08 PM
Some wealthy people have expressed their disdain towards Bitcoin. They believe Bitcoin is a scam or Ponzi scheme backed by nothing. Figures like Warren Buffet, and even Donald Trump himself believe Bitcoin is a sham. I'm surprised to see this, since Bitcoin brings many profit opportunities to its "hodlers". For some reason, millionaires (or billionaires) hate Bitcoin. They usually support Gold and Fiat, not wanting to try something new like crypto/Blockchain tech. Justin Sun tried to convince Warren Buffet to get into crypto a while ago, only to find that his efforts were in vain.

Thoughts? Huh

Some poor people, some middle income people have expressed their disdain towards bitcoin also.  Does that mean all do?  Of course not.  Ditto for "rich" people.   Plenty of rich, middle income, and poor people like the promise of bitcoin.  Plenty of the same don't like it.  It is meaningless to extrapolate from the likes of Buffett to make many conclusions based on his level of wealth.

The reason why is simple:  people have their own areas of expertise and are entrenched in it in many ways.  There were a ton of people in 2009 and 2010 who hated bitcoin, and most of them were tech people who didn't have a deep enough understanding of it to realize the potential.   It has been the same every year since: there are a lot of people who say "tulips", "ponzi" and "scam" and there are plenty of people who understand the benefits and who know that bitcoin has the ability to let people protect their assets from the greedy, grasping hand of politicians of the authoritarian (fascist, socialist, communist etc) stripe.
 
One key point is that many of the people who don't like bitcoin - e.g. Buffett (2 Ts), Soros et al - have a vested interest in the status quo and the ability to have a hidden inflation tax on everyone.  Others (such as Trump) haven't had the benefits properly explained to them and have advisors who don't want to explain the benefits properly.
342  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Taproot lock in in about 20-22 hours on: June 11, 2021, 11:37:49 AM
The next day will be a big day for bitcoin since it looks like Taproot will lock in in about 20-24 hours (124 blocks as of this writing) - barring some craziness.  Like the first halving, lightning etc, I suspect that plenty of people will be watching it closely to mark the occasion.  All in all, this should be a big positive for the ecosystem.
343  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Equivalent Network Time on: June 10, 2021, 10:26:18 PM
The old adage is:  time is money.  That was of course pre inflated dollars or pounds etc.  But time is not fiat money, but money with objective value. Fiat is inflated away at the whim of politicians and so is consequently a poor store of the value you create with your life.

Bitcoin is protection for the hours of your life.


Just yesterday I saw this video of a Poker player I follow:

Alec Torelli: The Future of Money: Ep.1 - What is Money?

Which is somehow related to this. He was commenting that money is closely related to time, because it takes us x hours of work to earn x money. And at the end of the video he pointed out that the best form of money would be the one that best represents time: our time is limited, so the best currency would be a limited one and not like worthless fiat which is potentially unlimited.

The vision of owning bitcoin representing network time is very interesting. I think we could establish an equivalence with a new way of thinking, like: if you own 1 Bitcoin today (2021) you own x network time which is equivalent to x working hours of someone who earns the median salary in x country (normally for international statistics the USA is used as a reference, like to calculate the number of millionaires in the world, where the dollar is used as a reference, but it could be applied to any country).
344  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2021-06-04] Elon Musk is ‘definitely too influential on Bitcoin prices’ on: June 10, 2021, 09:37:21 PM
Who listens to a newbie like Musk?  Apparently lots of people are misguided enough to do so, but his comments have been clearly misguided to anyone who understands bitcoin in much detail.
345  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2021-06-05] El Salvador to make Bitcoin Legal Tender on: June 10, 2021, 09:34:57 PM
The significance of such an event should not be overestimated. Venezuelan President Maduro has also tried to boost his country's economy by using bitcoin as a means of payment. They even began to pay pensions to old women in bitcoins. We do not see any particular result yet. Inflation continues to break records there.
First of all, El Salvador needs to think about introducing a national currency in order to raise the economy. Bitcoin can only help if it walks simultaneously with the national currency, which will support all economic calculations.
In any case, this will be another experience of introducing cryptocurrency into government.

Maduro was advocating the state backed petro.  Anyone who believed that a socialist/communist/fascist, statist authoritarian would create a crypto that wasn't under their control was naive to the point of being room temp IQ.  I haven't seen news stating he would be willing to use bitcoin, and won't believe it until I see it. Statists don't want money that is outside their control.

As far as a national currency for El Salvador, that is the last thing they need. Bitcoin is independent so that whenever the statists try to retake power, they won't be able to corrupt it.  Looting politicians need stay out of the business of creating money, many of the problems in the world are caused by corrupt, dishonest politicians (redundant) corrupting money. They like to use their power to steal from one group to buy the votes of another, while looting everyone annually with the annual inflation tax. What ES needs is hard, incorruptible money and they have the option with bitcoin.
346  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2021-06-09 Tim Wu, Reportedly Owns Over $1M in Bitcoin on: June 10, 2021, 01:42:26 PM
One would think with his political persuasion and desire to foster top-down control, bitcoin as decentralized and distributed would be anathema to him.

I guess his mercenary urges trumped his principals. 
347  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: 2021-06-09 Concordium aims to end the era of anonymity in crypto industry on: June 10, 2021, 01:36:21 PM

The anonymity of Bitcoin (BTC) and other cryptocurrencies is a hot topic in the crypto space. While the transactions are open to track in a public blockchain, it is challenging to link a transaction with a real-life person in many use cases. As an identity-centric platform, Concordium takes a different direction by offering complete transparency. See more for yourself here.

Your opinion is greatly appreciated.

Anonymity of bitcoin?  Are they new to the crypto space?  At best you get some pseudo-anonymity, just ask the Colonial Pipeline hackers.

The problem is NOT that there is too much anonymity, it is that there is way too little.  Sure, maybe for some people they'll want complete transparency on their finances (you spend $500 on pornhub?  or $500 on LSD?  or $500 at the book store?), but most people know that freedom and anonymity go hand-in-hand.  Anyone who values liberty knows that free speech requires the ability to do it anonymously.  Just ask the protesters in the countries Russia, China, Taiwan, Cuba, Venezuela.  Just ask anyone with an opinion in the US that isn't properly racist - e.g. judging people by the color of one's skin used to be a huge negative.  Today, criticizing overt skin color based racism is grounds for cancelation.

The best thing about this is that it will highlight the importance of privacy and anonymity and the stupidity of projects that attempt to erode it.

Thank goodness that it appears that Taproot and Tapscript etc will lock in late tomorrow or early the next day depending on one's time zone because it will help the anonymity and privacy profile of bitcoin over time.





348  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2021-06-02] Here’s How China’s Crypto FUD Will Play Out on: June 02, 2021, 07:09:05 PM
I also think that the most likely is "big thunder little rain".
Of course, they will do other actions (or announcements) when it will suit them. I expect that China and N Korea be some of the biggest whales and manipulators of the market too.

I agree.  Crypto threatens the totalitarians in the long run, but they can manipulate and use crypto in the short term.


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"to achieve carbon neutrality by 2060. "

And that is laughable. It is the typical political response:  yes, sure, of course, we will do something, it is just it will be 4 decades from now so it will be someone else's problem to actually do anything meaningful.

I have to say for a somewhat well thought out article, the part about bitcoin being a blocker for carbon neutrality is just stupid too.  There has been discussion ad nauseam about it and that just shows a shallow understanding of the issue.
349  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I sometimes wonder whether Bitcoin has established a religion. on: May 24, 2021, 08:30:41 PM
Bitcoin doesn't require "belief" it only requires one to understand (and perhaps read and understand the code).  No faith or any other hallmarks of religion are required, only math and science.
350  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2021-05-22] Hong Kong to restrict crypto exchanges to professional investors on: May 22, 2021, 10:26:13 AM
You are right.  The Chinese communist party doesn't like their citizens to be free. If other countries follow suit, you'll see which ones are following their authoritarian, statist lead.
351  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / More China Craziness - "Cracking done on mining" on: May 21, 2021, 02:55:57 PM
So more nonsense from the statist authoritarians in China today.  Anyone mining in China should move their (or at least a large percentage of their) miners out of China. 

The thing to remember is that it is irrelevant where mining occurs.  At worst, it slows blocks for a while, and makes it easier for other miners to win the blocks.


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Bitcoin’s price tumbled Friday following an intensified call from Chinese authorities to crack down in mining of the cryptocurrency.

In a statement from Chinese Vice Premier Liu He and the State Council, authorities said tighter regulation is needed to protect the financial system.

The statement, released late Friday in China time, said it is necessary to “crack down on Bitcoin mining and trading behavior, and resolutely prevent the transmission of individual risks to the social field.”
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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/21/bitcoin-falls-after-china-calls-for-crackdown-on-bitcoin-mining-and-trading-behavior.html
352  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2021-05-08] Bitcoin’s dirty little secret: It’s not easy being green on: May 19, 2021, 05:56:39 PM
The problem here is that everyone can choose the green method but won't use it because it won't give benefit to them. They rather choose the dirty cheap method that would somehow going to affect the climate change. To cut it short, people like these doesn't really care about the environment neither the climate effect of what they were doing. It's like if the other countries can use why can't we can and the process of destroying earth is still going on. They only care about what could benefit to them despite the fact that they were slowly destroying the environment. Bitcoin has nothing to do with this crap since we all have a choice what power source we should use.

The thing is that much (I don't think that it has been quantified) of bitcoin mining is mined using spare power - e.g. power that would otherwise be dumped.  E.g. a hydropower station might produce X, but only uses .9X much of the time so that extra 10% would just be lost or wasted, not stored.  

So there are plenty of either intentional falsehoods because people don't want bitcoin to succeed because it will remove some of their power or there are people aren't fully informed who are reposting inaccurate information.

(Proof of) Work provides security to the blockchain.  If you compare, say, the total cost and total carbon footprint of the requirements needed to secure the Euro, the Dollar, the Yuan, or Ruble, you would find that they each vastly dwarf bitcoin.  What is needed to secure the US, China, Europe or Russia and hence their currencies?   (See e.g. nothing at stake etc).  Physically printing currency or electronically creating it is not the only cost.  Without the ability to protect itself any of these places would be overrun and the currency - since all are fiat - would become worthless.
353  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Elom Musk is farting, the whole crypto suffocates! Is Elon working with SEC? on: May 13, 2021, 03:27:48 PM
I sent tweets to Mr. Musk telling him to stop the manipulation because he is playing with fire. Now it's up to him, but what he did may not pass without consequences. Being a billionaire doesn't mean you can do whatever you please. A lot of people lost cash already and aren't happy about it.
You must be a special person if you think that Musk is going to respond to your message. Unfortunately the truth is if you are a billionaire you can get away with everything since you have the money and the influence that comes with it. This people that you are talking about, I think some of them deserves the losses because they followed what Elon said and didn't think for themselves.

That is definitely untrue.  Look at Jeffrey Epstein, Harvey Weinstein et al*.  Good little leftists until they suddenly were of no use and were tossed overboard to be devoured by the mob.  They thought that the mob wouldn't come for them and that they were invincible, but the reality was that once they'd outlived their usefulness they were expendable and all their money did no good.

The rule doesn't have to do with money, it has to do with the woke mob.  As long as person X is stating the right things and donating to the right causes and the mob hasn't turned on them, they are fine.  Once the mob comes for them, they are toast even if their offense was jaywalking.  

Look at what happened to Antonio García Martínez (ex-Facebook, now ex-Apple).   He wrote things that people disagreed with and his hispanic-ness didn't save him.  Likewise neither did wealth.  Was it anything criminal?  Doesn't seem like it, but the fascist mob came for him and he was fired by Apple after a few days.  (Freedom of association is a great thing, Apple used it here, but should that be something he's fired for???)


* e.g. Madoff, Allen Stanford, Alfred Taubman, Ellen Degenerate (😂)
354  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Tesla destroys bitcoin :-[ on: May 13, 2021, 03:18:00 PM
Bitcoin Plunges as Tesla Halts BTC Payments Over Environmental Concerns
Inexplicably, after this event, Really after this event, I feel shaken; if only relying on media to grow, bitcoin will collapse at some point!

https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-tesla-50k-environment-concerns

Is this another "Bitcoin is dead" moment?  Some people are acting as if it is.
355  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Tesla no longer accepts Bitcoin payments on: May 12, 2021, 10:27:45 PM
link

I find it frustrating that Elon can so quickly jump from supporting Bitcoin to bashing it with poorly researched facts. That man must have some mood swings or something, and I wish he just stopped talking about crypto so the market could return to normal.

Perhaps ADD or ADHD. Whatever the case, his understanding of bitcoin and the energy stuff is nonsense and shows that he is uninformed.
356  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Charlie Munger hating on bitcoin on: May 11, 2021, 06:28:33 PM
Rats don't like rat poison, so it is no wonder he doesn't like bitcoin.  On one point, Buffett (and hence Munger) were right when he said bitcoin is "probably rat poison squared".  It is rat poison to cash and authoritarians like him who don't care about the ability of people to keep what they've earned safe from fascists/socialists/communists and any other type of looter who wants to take it.



Berkshire Hathaway CEO Charlie Munger has called bitcoin's growth and rise "disgusting" and "contrary to the interests of humanity."
"I don't welcome a currency that's so useful to kidnappers and extortionists, nor do I like just handing over billions and billions of dollars to someone who just made up a new financial commodity out of thin air," he added.

Charlie Munger's disdain for bitcoin demonstrates that boomers are feeling challenged because they became complacent and missed out on the next big thing.

What are your thoughts on the matter?



357  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2021-04-21] Governments can stop Bitcoin by shutting down mining, says Electric on: May 10, 2021, 01:56:49 PM
People need to ignore all the false claimed from the Electricity sector, institutions, etc about the government having the capacity to shut down Bitcoin mining or Bitcoin cause they are doing this to cause fud. If it happens that the government shut down mining a lot of different ideas about Bitcoin mining have been put together to save Bitcoin from the rainy day which lightning is one of them.
Why though? I mean if electricity grids really did shut down, it will pretty much shut down bitcoin and all the things that are depending on electricity, don't mistake FUD with reality because just because it says something negative about bitcoin.

If the electrical grids really did shut down, we'd have a lot more problems than bitcoin mining.  Air conditioners, doctor's office, hospitals, roadways (no lights), no pumps for gas stations, no pumps for water the internet, etc. would all cease to function.  (And bitcoin mining would just slow down or freeze or migrate somewhere else).   Sure a government could shut down an electrical grid, but the populace would shut down the government.  (Unless it was something like a "One Second After" scenario).

Shutting down the grid wouldn't be a viable way to stop mining.
358  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: bull market end on: May 07, 2021, 02:21:36 AM
so when do you guys think this bull market is going to end.  I'm kinda balls deep in crypto, and I've make some pretty amazing returns.  But im just wondering if any of you guys think this bull run will end anytime soon.

It depends on your timeframe.  If it isn’t months and is more than 2 years, the bull market has been continuous since 2009.  If things continue the bull market will only end when bitcoin’s fiat price reaches equilibrium and that may be 1 or 2 orders of magnitude in price from here.

If you are worrying about pricing even over less than 24 months, you are missing the big picture:  buy (or mine) and just hold it.
359  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Incorporating BTC the way forward for most companies? on: May 05, 2021, 02:30:32 PM
Well it's a good way but not all companies need it. I think small companies should considers supporting sales with altcoins. At least now i see that as inevitable way of progress.

Most of the alts are just get rich quick schemes for some people without the security bought by the market value of bitcoin.  There are a few that have a purpose, but aren't as distributed and don't have the security.  I can at least understand why someone might use some of them.  Small companies should do the same thing as big ones:  whatever is best for the owners/shareholders. 
360  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2021-03-15] [Reuters] India to propose cryptocurrency ban, penalising miners on: May 04, 2021, 10:16:27 PM
On the one hand, such a decision can be caused by excessive consumption of electricity and accidents after a high load on the power grid. On the other hand, the state, solving this problem, creates risks for itself to miss out on great opportunities for the budget (replenishment by new taxpayers) and the country's population (creation of new jobs), as well as increasing the level of income of citizens. Difficult decision - but apparently they weighed everything well before making it. Only time will tell whether they were right or wrong, we'll see.

The decision can be blamed on consumption of electricity and accidents, but they are lying.

Don't believe their excuse.  The Indian government doesn't like gold or bitcoin because it removes people and their assets from the government's control.  There is no excess power consumption with gold, yet there are restrictions on gold in India.  The real thing to note is that they don't believe in freedom and the power of individuals to decide things for themselves.  They want to be able to take "just a small percentage" from each of the 1.4 billion Indians every year through inflation with no one being able to protect themselves. 

Monopolies are bad, but government monopolies on currencies are worse.  It indicates that the governments don't trust the people - or perhaps they do trust the people, but they value their own power and money more than freedom for everyone else.  They want to enslave entire populations and the world to satisfy their own psychological control freak mental issues.  The politicians in Indian (everywhere else too) are NOT looking out for the people of India, they are looking out for themselves. 
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