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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated on: May 18, 2019, 10:40:16 PM
Hmm does anyone else remember when politicians were talking about taxing things like magick swords in online fantasy games?

The argument was that since someone managed to sell such a sword on E-bay, everyone who obtained such a sword in such a game should pay tax on it.

Which of course is insane since past performance is no proof of future performance so it was not even known whether anyone would ever manage to find a buyer for such a sword again, let alone at such a price.

Thus really it only makes any sense to measure how much fiat currency you pay to play online games (such as altcoin trading games as well as other games, whether or not the game itself includes various currencies of its own) and how much fiat currency you end up taking home at such time as you manage to sell some of your game "stuff" for fiat.

Until you actually get fiat back to a bank account or physical cash or something held by some kind of licensed or registered (and insured) "custodian" you really don't have a thing.

Even if you get cryptocoins home into a wallet of your own where you are the only person who has the keys you still don't really have a thing, since as we have seen over and over and over again you cannot know whether you will ever manage to sell any of it for any fiat.

It is all basically just virtual crap, game stuff, that might or might not ever have a buyer. Finding a buyer might even involve a lot of marketing on our part, or bribing a so called "exchange" to "list" the thing and then hoping the "exchange" isn't just going to run off with it all.

You could have billions of magick swords, but what is the chance you will be able to sell them all? And how much will the last few be worth once you have flooded such market as there might be with the first few billions of them? It is all just virtual crap until you receive something "real", which let's face it you might never do.

Sure it makes sense that the guy who sold one magick sword on E-bay pay tax on that income. If playing the game it was in was a business rather than a hobby to him he probably should also be declaring whatever he had to pay to play the game, probably including some portion of his internet connection fees, as business expense. But how many magick swords he ever had, how many dragons he had to kill to get it, and even whether he actually got it by trading a magick shield for it in the game, is crazy to even try to keep track of.

One by one maybe some ultra-special cryptocoins might end up being regarded as in some sense "real money", but even bitcoin might not be there yet and certainly the vast majority of coins will likely never get there. Digitised securities might get there much sooner to the extent that they truly represent something real, the way some so-called stablecoins claim to do.

But it makes no sense to count your purported "balances" in unregistered, uninsured so-called "exchanges" as in any way real until they actually get stuff back to you before running off with it or supposedly getting "hacked".

That is my position and so far the income tax folks seem to accept it even though I am way behind in paying income tax on the actual fiat that actually did manage to end up arriving at my bank.

I do not even know, and CANNOT know, how many cryptocoins I actually HAVE until various possible future things happen, such as Cryptsy reporting whether they have any of my coins still and whether they are ever going to send them to me, and Cryptopia similarly, and gosh I have lost count of how many other "exchanges" that "flew by night", and of course even if I had disks in safe-deposit boxes I have enough experience with disks, and "backups", to know that I cannot even be sure any of those disks are even readable, let alone are backups of uncorrupted data, until I try to recover the data on them and actually use it. Then as mentioned previously I do not know whether there will even be any market for that data even assuming it IS uncorrupted. So I literally do not know how many coins I even own, of what kinds.

All I really CAN know is how much I paid for computers, electricity to power them, rent for rooms to keep them in, internet connections for them, repair and maintenance of them, and how much cash and bank-deposits in fiat eventually resulted from my use of such things.

The U.S.A. seems a bit insane though. I wonder, if they knew Satoshi's heir(s) were in the U.S.A. would they be trying to tax them on the purported value of all the bitcoins that they, as his or her or their heirs, presumably "inherited", regardless of whether they ever actually manage to find and use the keys to those addresses and sell any of those coins for fiat?

2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated on: May 01, 2019, 11:50:10 AM
The recent interest in Devcoin was obviously sparked by Dan Treccia’s Medium articles. Other than calling him names nobody has refuted his theory. Can MarkM or Unthinkingbit comment on his research regarding DVC, here I primarily refer to

He seems to be a loony. Utterly weird utterly wrong "theories".

At least if you're still on about the same guy who rants about IXCoin secretly creating bitcoins and weird stuff like that?

3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [GPLC] Gold Pressed Latinum Classic v2.9.1 on: April 17, 2019, 06:21:40 AM
I do not seem to be able to make that work.

For starters trying to use the update externals script to get the externals does not work since this zip's contents do not seem to be a git repository (no .git file) so git refuses to work with it.

The first external it demands when I tried to run it was stratum, so I foind a different, multi-coin stratum-miner on github grabbed that used its update externals to get the externals and copied over the stratum external, but trying to "install" or "setup" that failed due to some kind of mismatch of a "distribute" thing that made it unable to create an "egg".

I tried both the instructions in the stratum external, both for developers and for install from a package, both bombed out unable to create an egg.

(I am using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS still on all my machines.)

Do you have any idea how many CPU cores it would take to be able to somewhat-reliably find a block within two hours? I think I have somewhere around 20 or so on it right now and clearly that is not enough.

4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [GPLC] Gold Pressed Latinum Classic v2.9.1 on: April 12, 2019, 06:48:55 PM
I think I am all out of video cards, my last one blew up, along with the motherboard it was on, back when I tried to use it to mine Darsek. Sad

I can't really spare any more motherboards even if I were to find a secondhand GPU on Kijiji.

I guess I need to somehow figure out how many CPU cores it takes to make a block every two hours or less at minimum difficulty.

Or just hope someone who DOES have a GPU will mine it.

5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [GPLC] Gold Pressed Latinum Classic v2.9.1 on: April 12, 2019, 04:16:42 PM
It looks like maybe the current difficulty is simply too high for a new block to be created within two hours by the small number of CPU cores that are actually mining it?

Maybe someone with a GPU or an ancient tiny Scrypt-Jane ASIC (if such things exist) could wean it down in difficulty enough that the few CPU cores the supporters are able to muster will be able to keep the blockchain moving?

If there are such things as ancient tiny Scrypt-Jane ASICs maybe it'd be worth aquiring one powerful enough to keep the chain moving? Though in theory we only need to move it enough slow enough for its difficulty to drop into a low enough range the current family of CPU cores working on it will be able to keep it going?

I guess it is always going to be vulnerable to someone popping in now and again with massive hashing power to drive up the difficulty then running off again, but oh well not much we can do about that except eventually get the value up high enough to attract a lot of hashing consistently.

I just checked my site and see I haven't yet documented GPL on the HORIZON network; the doc for GPL on the Stellar network is

6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [GPL] Gold Pressed Latinum v3.0 New chain. on: April 08, 2019, 12:18:34 AM
Well whatever you did seems to have worked, suddenly there have been 70 new blocks. Thanks.

Also it looks like once you had created a block my PoW nodes were able to generate again without being restarted, so maybe once someone does create a block everyone gets un-stuck?

I am not sure if I am using stratum, does the daemon support that? I think my miner program could do it but it didn't seem to work with the GPL daemon?

7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] "Cubits"(QBT) HI POS Coin v2.1.3-Starbuck UPDATED! on: April 07, 2019, 12:59:48 PM

Yes it is still on Cryptopia they just haven't gotten around to it yet in their process of re-activating one market at a time.


8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [AXIOM] AxiomMemHash, Schnorr Sigs Implemented, APOS 3.0, AXH 2.0 Proposed on: April 07, 2019, 12:57:42 PM

It is still traded on an exchange (Yobit) and its blockchain is still chugging along, so it is a long way from dead.

9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [GPL] Gold Pressed Latinum v3.0 New chain. on: April 07, 2019, 12:42:24 PM

The old GPL blockchain has not moved now for weeks, when I managed to get a scrypt-jane miner working that did get it moving for a while but I have the miners still working and my staking still going and the checkpoint server running but for weeks now not none of my nodes have seen the blockchain move.

So no idea what could be going wrong but the chain does seem very dead. As far as I know the difficuly for POW mining is plenty low enough for my scrypt-jane miners to have been able to find a block in all this time so presumably something is preventing POW blocks from working, and also by now my staking surely should have found a block so presumably something is stopping that from working too.

GPL seems to be moving fine though.

10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [DEAD] Coiledcoin - yet another cryptocurrency, but with OP_EVAL! on: April 05, 2019, 09:50:25 AM

Well the blockchain IS still moving, albeit slowly, and the players who use it have started thinking about starting a Civilisation whose currency it will be so that they can support it with the full backing of an actual "nation" in the game. I do not know how long it will take for the difficulty to adjust downward enough for the blockchain to move at a more reasonable speed, or for more hashing power to be applied to get it moving better, but players are not particuarly concerned about the slowness of the blockchain since most activity will probably take place on the HORIZON and Stellar platforms.

11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated on: March 28, 2019, 05:17:55 AM
The wallet generates I think 100 addresses when it is created, then as it runs low it generates more; and there is a command to make it generate more too so if you expect to use a lot before your next backup you can deliberately generate a lot so your backup will contain the next however many addresses that will be used.

So you have some leeway.

When you send coins often an address will be used up to send the change to, and of course every time you do getnewaddress to get a new address to tell someone to send to that uses up one of the pre-created addresses.

So basically every time you do a backup it includes the next X-number of addresses that are to be used.

Once they have all been used, you will be into new territory, using addresses that had not been created at the time of your last backup.

So the key is to make backups faster than you use up addresses.

For example if you have a website that lets visitors cause an address to be created for them to send coins to, and thousands of visitors get addresses created daily, or one visitor uses a bot to have it generate tens or hundreds of thousands of addresses for them in one day, you might be hard-pressed to make backups often enough, and will want to generate vast numbers of addresses ahead of time to back up before the site gives them out.

If on the other hand you only have one publicised address for folks to send you coins (a donation address for example, or the address DevTome sends your shares to), and never send coins so never use up addresses to send change to, then one backup will last you "forever" with plenty of pre-generated addresses in it ready for some day when you do suddenly need another address or few.

12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated on: March 20, 2019, 04:53:06 AM

There does not seem to be a lot of action so far on the HORIZON and Stellar platforms, how many of you have those installed so far?

Had them installed from a while ago. Tried loading HORIZON and got "Blockchain download halted, no connection" notice on the web page at http://localhost:7776/index.html once the script was started.

- Nova

Yeah their default and well known hosts lists in config file have all gone offline when the developers abandoned the project.

Put a well known hosts line or default hosts line in config with things like,,,,, and

Damn it is hard to log in here now they added the stupid reCAPTCHA thing that thing makes it sometimes take hours to get onto a site, sometimes completely impossible.

13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated on: March 16, 2019, 06:26:20 PM
Stellar is available all over the place, in fact right now is still in the process of giving away $25 USD worth of Stellar Lumens per validated user, so it might be worth your while to get yourself validated there. If you can get their weird photo-ID thing to work, for me it just keeps taking a photo then claiming the internet hiccuped and taking the photo again, and again, and again, never failing to claim the internet hiccuped.

HORIZON the last released version can be downloaded from inside my site if you can't find it elsewhere.

I have not modified it so you will need to give it some current active nodes, I believe my site says how to do that.

A bunch of other coins some might regard as "obscure" are also available (in source code) there too, such as some of the original family of merged mined coins merged mined alongside bitcoin and devcoin. (IXCoin, I0Coin, GRouPcoin, CoiLedCoin etc).

The thing with HORIZON is that it is a NXT clone, so all trading pairs have to have its native token (HZ) as one side of the pair.

Stellar lets you offer any asset directly against any asset, no need to involve its own token (Stellar Lumens, XLM).

But, Stellar needs a so called "line of trust" for each asset you want to use, and each line of trust "ties up" ten Lumens as long as the line of trust exists.

Still, being able to trade arbitrary pairs directly, only needing to worry about their value relative to each other without reference to the platform's native currency, is kind of nice.

Also its fees might actually work out cheaper, depending on how much an HZ turns out to be worth.

That is the trouble with HORIZON, to use its trading pairs feature we need to somehow arrive at a value of the HZ itself, and right now HZ is yet another token you don't find on the public, website-type "exchanges" since Poloniex de-listed it.

It seems to have been used as if it were about a Canadian penny per HZ, but that is probably only because the vast majority of folks who actually have some still think it is "dead" since Poloniex de-listed it; if those folks come back chances are a lot of HZ will be wanting to get dumped for anything they think they might be able to "cash out" somewhere. Which might put a premium on things like IXC and I0C and maybe even DVC that can still be found on the typical website-type public "exchanges" folks are used to.

14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated on: March 16, 2019, 07:53:34 AM
The Latest Rates include-file has been updated, along with the whole site of asset value tables.

Using those latest values, the proposed DVC Holdings treasury/warchest is now valued at 9880733930.99764890 DeVCoins.

That is an improvement for sure since last report, but still not enough to "back" all the DeVCoins that hae been minted at the current vlue per DeVCoin that was used to calculate that figure.

There does not seem to be a lot of action so far on the HORIZON and Stellar platforms, how many of you have those installed so far?

If you have DeVCoins you would like to sell in bulk but do not want to bother setting up either of those platforms, maybe just look at the Latest Rates file and make some offers?


15  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated on: March 11, 2019, 12:17:54 AM
Well it would probably help to have more activity on the HORIZON and Stellar platforms. Smiley

Despite there being a share of DeVCoin minting each for 12 people who help with that, folks here do not seem to have particularly gotten involved in that. No-one yet has claimed one of those shares.

There definitely should be demand for DeVCoins in the game, really the original idea of giving loans deniminated in DeVCoins was that that would create demand for DeVCoins with which to make loan-payments.

The problem for a long long time though has been folks getting DeVCoins for writing unrelated stuff that does not seem particularly designed to contribute to the over-all multiverse have been getting so many DeVCoins compared to developers of the software that is used to actually implement the multiverse, and dumping it so cheap on "the planet known as Earth" instead of pouring it into the game's economies, that DeVCoin became so low value, with so few DeVCoins actually available within the game, that it simply is not practical currently for characters and Corps to actually get hold of enough DeVCoins to make loan payments, so they pretty much always nowadays just look at the Latest Rates include-file and select some asset from that with which to pay based on the other asset's listed value in DeVCoins.

If we can get a lot more DeVCoins actually into play, and increase their value, it should increasingly become feasible for players to trade other things FOR DeVCoins then pay their debts WITH DeVCoins.

Despite there being a share of DeVCoin minting each for 12 people who help with that, folks here do not seem to have particularly gotten involved in that. No-one yet has claimed one of those shares.

It would probably he helpful also to be more active on the Galactic Diplomacy Planet where folks are supposed to be in touch with one-another about this kind of thing.

The Mercantile Association, whose association-house is next to West End Trade (across from the Traveller's Society) in the part of the planetary capitol known as West End has contacts that know about this kind of thing, though for most common folks their guildmasters or clan officers or whatever do most of the politicking, conversions between currencies and so on helping their members with all this kind of thing and with making useful contacts that they will need if they are themselves going to advance within the clan or guild or party or association or society or whatever or form one of their own.

(Unlike Crossfire RPG as distributed, in the Galactic Milieu we have cloned the clans functionality to create guilds, societies, parties etc that work just the same but you can be a member of one of each type, so that even if you are in a clan you can also join a guild and a society and so on.)


16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] IXCoin [IXC] The Original Bitcoin Sidechain on: March 10, 2019, 08:04:04 AM
In the Galactic Milieu we like to be able to compute the per coin value of a currency by adding up the total "treasury" or "warchest" of the Nation, Corp, Civilisation or whatever that "issues" the currency and dividing that total by the number of coins minted.

This calculation is of course easier for coins that are no longer "minting" new coins.

Thus for a long time the Ixians within MUDgaard and the character known as Ix on the CrossCiv server have been piling up as many assets as they can with which for form an "IXCorp" Corp that can take upon itself the mantle of being the "backer" of IXCoin, the Corp whose full faith and wealth etcetera is supposed, if only within the game, to be in effect the issuer of the "IOUs" known as IXCoins.

I did a search to see whether IXCorp, like so many other Corps within the Milieu, has a thread here, but the only mention of IXCorp a search of the Altcoin Discussion section found was in the "Volume versus Liquidity" discussion thread

In DeVCoin's official thread I have posted about a Corp known as DVC, which hopefully will eventually serve to be how we compute the value of a DeVCoin; that is, we will add up the assets of DVC and divide that total by the number of DeVCoins in existence to determine a "fundamental" value of a DeVCoin.

What the Ixian clan and the character known as Ix are trying to do is to pile up enough assets to make it feasible to do the same for IXCoin.

Basically what they need to do initially is pile up assets whose value adds up to 21 million multiplied by the approximate "going rate" that so called "price discovery" (exchanges, markets) has come up with for an IXCoin.

IXCoin having had such pathetically low prices on exchanges lately is actually helpful toward this effort, since it lowers the size of the pile they will need to accumulate in order to be able to be feasible as the "backer" of the coin.

I have just posted a bunch on the DeVCoin thread about how the DVC one is going; I will soon be consulting with Ix and the Ixians and other interesed parties about the proposed IXCorp.

Note that this is all part of the game, to determine the in game value of various in game assets, in no way should it be construed as being a "security" on the mythical planet known as earth.

17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated on: March 10, 2019, 07:13:30 AM
I just checked the Corp listings at to see whether DVC Corp is listed there yet, and found that it is not.

However I noticed that DeCorp is listed and is worth several times more DeVCoins than have yet been minted:

Total assets: 653181230832.54459102 dDVC
Total shares: 1000000
Share value : 653181.23083254 dDVC

If you check DeVCorp's bitcointalk thread, you can see that it's mandate is decribed in post as follows:

"DeVCorp's aim is to increase the value of DeVCoins, so it will do whatever it thinks will accomplish that goal, within the limitations imposed by the resources at its command"

The thing is, DeVCorp is already a Corp, having a million shares, so it is far too late now to try to change it into a treasury "backing" DeVCoins themselves. It's milion shares are already long ago distributed.

However as I mentioned in an earlier post, there is a Corp named DVC which WAS created specifically for the purpose of hopefully someday eventually accumulating a treasury sufficient to "back" the DeVCoins in existence.

The reason I visited the Company Assets page at just now was specifically to check how that treasury is looking since the most recent update of the whole assets tables site

Basically I figured if indeed DVC had been added to the page it would be a quicker way for me to look up the current valuation of the DVC entity/Corp than going digging around in the data that eventually creates the site including the page.

I guess that as long as the value of DeVCoins as shown in the Latest Rates include-file at is based on "price discovery" (markets/exchanges) instead of being based on the total value of the Corp/Entity we are calling DVC divided by the total number of DeVCoins minted as of the time the reports/pages were generated it makes sense not to bother listing the DVC entity/Corp on the Company Assets Summary page (

So, herewith the value of the DVC entity in the raw form that would have been used on that Summary page had DVC been added to the list of Corps to display on that page:


I guess it has not changed much since I last posted here about it because it does not currently own a lot of "growth assets"; I thought I'd check how it is getting along though because it does own SOME growth assets, such as


The thing is, if DeVCorp's mandate is to try to increase the value of DeVCoins, and we hope to be able to "back" the value of DeVCoins with this "treasury" known as DVC, might it be worth DeVCorp's while to DONATE to DVC?

I suppose DeVCorp would want to own a lot of stuff whose values derive from the value of DeVCoin, but I see already a couple of things it owns that do:




I see that it also owns


and I think maybe both of those might also be heavily into DeVCoin.

For example looking at GDC I see


and looking at grc I see


You might recall that GFC is Galactic Financial Corp aka General Financial Corp, whose bitcointalk thread is

Its entry on the Company Assets Summary page tells us

Total assets: 2704842704928.26015831 dDVC
Total shares: 1000000
Share value : 2704842.70492826 dDVC

It is a "growth asset" in the sense that it has lots of ("secured") loans out, denominated in DeVCoins. I would not be surprised if its total Accounts Receivable still exceeds its total other assets (the stuff debtors have given it in payment of their debts and accrued interest on their debts over the years) even after all these years that it has been in operation. I believe its thread gives some info about it's operations way back when, especially the massive profits it made early on for it's initial investors due to the fact that the amount of funding provided by those founding investors was trivial compared to the sums it then proceeded to borrow at one (usurious) rate of interest to loan out at a twice-as-usurious rate of interest.

So looking at all this, I am thinking maybe it could be possible that if DeVCorp were to donate a lot of assets to the DVC entity, AND DeVCoins were then to be value as if each DeVCoin were a share of the DVC entity, it might be possible that the value of DeVCorp itself might even increase by doing that, thus allowing DeVCorp not only to carry forward its mandate of increasing the value of DeVCoins but also to not annoy it's own shareholders by lowering its own value.

Also maybe its shareholders might want to bolster their own holdings of things that can be expected to increase in value if DeVCoin increases in value...



P.S. It occurs to me also that maybe DeVCorp should start selling some of its assets, especially those not greatly based upon DeVCoins, FOR DeVCoins, to try to increase its DeVCoin reserves.

18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [I0C] I0coin - The Best Choice In Digital Currency on: March 10, 2019, 06:15:20 AM
Remember that all the stuff from the Digitalis Open Transactions server, and more, is migrating onto HORIZON and Stellar networks.

I am sure my listings of the assets are still incomplete, so if you notice any I have implemented by haven't yet gotten around to listing on my website do let me know. I think IXCoin, I0Coin and the other ancient merged-mined coins are probably already listed, check it out:

Also of course we still from time to time put out new pricing data at

19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] United SciFi Coin [SCIFI] PoW/PoS on: January 26, 2019, 06:20:40 PM

Sounds like these weaknesses might apply to some of our Proof of Stake coins?

20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] HORIZON (HZ) New ANN thread on: January 24, 2019, 03:25:32 AM

Someone created a "Discord" for HORIZON, here is an invite link:

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