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21  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: January 28, 2019, 09:59:47 PM
In case someone missed the news, we are having a poll about the future exchange listings

https://medium.com/obyte/obyte-on-new-exchanges-92f8bb1d0506
22  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: January 18, 2019, 11:01:41 AM
Hello!

Congratulations, but:

At least 12 hours the links for downloading the wallet from obyte.org do not work!
Authorization Required Error

Thanks for letting know, just fixed.
23  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: January 17, 2019, 03:59:16 PM
Byteball is now Obyte

https://medium.com/byteball/byteball-rebrand-the-next-step-to-real-world-adoption-6a0a924390de



24  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: January 13, 2019, 09:42:18 PM

Thanks for keeping an eye on it!  Addresses referred by wgf90cxkyv are now removed from the draw.  Please let us know if you find any other signs of fraudulent activity.


OK!

Please answer two questions:
1. I am an STEEM referrer and I am interested in: are you going to reward users who have registered after July 12?
Half a year has passed since the launch of the bridge and many people were registered after this date, and gain the necessary reputation now. These users will not be rewarded anyway and their refer too. Smiley
2. Can I use BYTES frozen in a smart contract with steem attestation bot or real name attestation bot in Weekly Draw? Is it technically possible and are you going to add such support?

Thank you very much for your reply, with interest in your product.


1. Not yet, there are still high chances of fraud and new accounts pose the most risk.  Anyway the min rep that qualifies for reward is now 55 and it is very unlikely to organically achieve such rep within 6 months.
2. Unfortunately you can't.  The contract address can't sign a message before it vests.
25  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: January 10, 2019, 10:00:16 PM
Hello!

I have a supposition that some refers are abusing Weekly Draw!

There are refers who invite only attested users and this users immediately deposits exactly 10 GB. (Strange? They at least need to check.)

Detailed example of suspicious activity:
refer: wgf90cxkyv
total points: ~120
SIAYZE2S5XYEQVKMELGCB6VPWTYQLZPV  11,14164851 GB  10,11416485  points  attested
5HYF4SU3RE77AF2O3GRFKRYECLUIRWCQ  10,24234144 GB  10,02423414  points  attested
VYODIKMHCJ23ME64AHT7ONFO7WDNQANG  10,04170996 GB  10,004171  points  attested
YXNQJWRRYYIBVDKUJ7TPZZBUJS5NBMXD  10,04016838 GB  10,00401684  points  attested
LBQY6G32RJLX3LBTT6BIZCJSCAMIQKGV  10,03219945 GB  10,00321994  points  attested
DF2MEN5W5AGPSJBH5VD7IP2STRQ5QQQC  10,03128896 GB  10,0031289  points  attested
UJCHIFDYHWGYZ5XTJC5WCODELO5D4XMW  10,03075751 GB  10,00307575  points  attested
HPPBG7SF6AKJ23QHYW34NSFSRVYFICU7  10,03034243 GB  10,00303424  points  attested
K4SJX3MD4KDZFQAQWPAKQJQCEQ2BARXX  9,993271883 GB  9,993271883  points  attested
AJM3H7SQ6FL257OKSSQY6552DVYXXGGG  9,952617925 GB  9,952617925  points  attested
VMA6KDBSTVO4X5Q5R2ZHPU752WLEXSZL  9,936239608 GB  9,936239608  points  attested
DO357MNXND52NDOMTQ7C5WQEFX6PAMMG  9,493648553 GB  9,493648553  points  attested
MBMYKHMGVRTYADKYEUXPLC7U5RF3FWTG  0,331288957 GB  0,331288957  points  attested
MZGV3CBSTRNQAV2EVQUKAHOVQADDKCZO  0,244172757 GB  0,244172757  points  attested
CZBHTUGC2FYQMPDUHWOHKB6DP7AMQUTM  0 GB  0  points  attested

Also need to check: z2rjatm4w4, t8y0q0cjbe, rh8to5u9jm, o9t64ovhy5

Surface analysis revealed suspicious activity: ~300 points (>more than 10% chance to win)

I apologize if I hurt the feelings of real referrals. Such activity seems suspicious. It needs to be checked.

If this makes sense, I can conduct an in-depth analysis of suspicious activity, find a pattern between transfers to find more potential abuse.

Thanks for keeping an eye on it!  Addresses referred by wgf90cxkyv are now removed from the draw.  Please let us know if you find any other signs of fraudulent activity.
26  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: December 28, 2018, 03:44:02 PM
New rules for the next draw scheduled for Friday Dec 28:

1.  Steem attestations with reputation over 60 are now also accepted along with real name attestations.  There are only about 3000 Steem users with such high reputation, and many of them have a significant social following.  The idea is that it'll help to build referral networks, attract smaller holders, and dilute the whales.

2. The draw has been criticized by both whales who think they are punished with the points system, and by smaller holders who see a large share of points still going to whales.  Now the draw is split in two:
- one is based on balances, just balances, no points.  The winner will be named Prince of Whales.
- the other is based on points as before, with rules further adjusted in favor of smaller holders (see below).  The winner will be named King of Goldfish (suggestions about a better name are welcome).
The prize fund is split in two: 100 GB for the Prince of Whales and 100 GB for the King of of Goldfish but each participant automatically participates in both draws and can win in each of them (even in both at the same time).  Now there can be two referrers, one for the Prince of Whales and one for the King of Goldfish, each receives 100 GB and 211.11 GBB.

3. The new rules for calculating points with the second threshold lowered from 1000 GB to 100 GB:
* Real-name attested addresses get 1 point per GB of balance up to 10 GB, plus 0.1 point for each GB between 10 GB and 100 GB, plus 0.01 point for each GB above 100 GB.
* Unattested addresses get 0.01 point per GB of balance.
* 0.1 point is awarded for each GB of balance increase over the maximum balance in the previous draws, up to a 2x increase.
* 0.2 point is deducted for each GB of balance decrease since the previous draw.


The rules for the next draw are the same.
27  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: December 21, 2018, 07:26:59 PM
1.  Steem attestations with reputation over 60 are now also accepted along with real name attestations.  There are only about 3000 Steem users with such high reputation, and many of them have a significant social following. The idea is that it'll help to build referral networks, attract smaller holders, and dilute the whales.
What about the idea of finally creating a benefit?

Yes the draw is not the most serious one.  We are working on a number of other ideas in parallel, they will be announced when ready.
28  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: December 21, 2018, 06:19:52 PM
New rules for the next draw scheduled for Friday Dec 28:

1.  Steem attestations with reputation over 60 are now also accepted along with real name attestations.  There are only about 3000 Steem users with such high reputation, and many of them have a significant social following.  The idea is that it'll help to build referral networks, attract smaller holders, and dilute the whales.

2. The draw has been criticized by both whales who think they are punished with the points system, and by smaller holders who see a large share of points still going to whales.  Now the draw is split in two:
- one is based on balances, just balances, no points.  The winner will be named Prince of Whales.
- the other is based on points as before, with rules further adjusted in favor of smaller holders (see below).  The winner will be named King of Goldfish (suggestions about a better name are welcome).
The prize fund is split in two: 100 GB for the Prince of Whales and 100 GB for the King of of Goldfish but each participant automatically participates in both draws and can win in each of them (even in both at the same time).  Now there can be two referrers, one for the Prince of Whales and one for the King of Goldfish, each receives 100 GB and 211.11 GBB.

3. The new rules for calculating points with the second threshold lowered from 1000 GB to 100 GB:
* Real-name attested addresses get 1 point per GB of balance up to 10 GB, plus 0.1 point for each GB between 10 GB and 100 GB, plus 0.01 point for each GB above 100 GB.
* Unattested addresses get 0.01 point per GB of balance.
* 0.1 point is awarded for each GB of balance increase over the maximum balance in the previous draws, up to a 2x increase.
* 0.2 point is deducted for each GB of balance decrease since the previous draw.
29  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: December 14, 2018, 02:26:49 PM
The rules for the next draw (@bittybox you were first to notice):

* Real-name attested addresses get 1 point per GB of balance up to 10 GB, plus 0.1 point for each GB between 10 GB and 1000 GB, plus 0.01 point for each GB above 1000 GB.
* Unattested addresses get 0.01 point per GB of balance.
* 0.1 point is awarded for each GB of balance increase since the previous draw.
* 0.2 point is deducted for each GB of balance decrease since the previous draw.

The change introduces 0.01 coefficient for unattested addresses and very large attested addresses.  As a result, the weight of whales is further reduced.

The page http://draw.byteball.org/ now displays whale dominance % at the bottom.
30  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: December 14, 2018, 11:57:42 AM
The adress is here https://explorer.byteball.org/#AZBEPSAXJ3Q2TIUV32UWFTZ3JUEA3SXG.
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him Lips sealed
I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors

EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole  Grin

Good research!

Well imo this is cheating, the "real-name attestation" rule should not be abused by 1 person to create over 100X "real-name attestations" to get a significant advantage on the lottery. Someone should really check the validity of his "real-name attestations" which is obviously fraud.

Anyway the "real-name attestation" rule is somehow designed to abuse it, should be deactivated as soon as possible and replaced by something else if needed.

These attestations are valid.  But looks like someone has a huge network of "friends" who are ready to sell their identities for a few bucks.  Every distribution method will be abused to some extent.

It was abused "to some extent" until it was just about the few bucks of the attestation, but now that it extends to the lottery worth GBs for thousands of $ the abuse is reaching a too high and not any more acceptable extent IMHO.
Moreover, to accept this form of abusive behavior would surely encourage others to do the same. Now that it has been exposed, everyone knows exactly how to do that. And many would copy this trick. Do you really want this to happen? After a few draws you would end up with just the abusers taking part to the game.

Those addresses are excluded from the draw.  Same about a few more addresses with obvious signs of abuse.
31  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: December 14, 2018, 10:16:04 AM
The adress is here https://explorer.byteball.org/#AZBEPSAXJ3Q2TIUV32UWFTZ3JUEA3SXG.
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him Lips sealed
I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors

EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole  Grin

Good research!

Well imo this is cheating, the "real-name attestation" rule should not be abused by 1 person to create over 100X "real-name attestations" to get a significant advantage on the lottery. Someone should really check the validity of his "real-name attestations" which is obviously fraud.

Anyway the "real-name attestation" rule is somehow designed to abuse it, should be deactivated as soon as possible and replaced by something else if needed.

These attestations are valid.  But looks like someone has a huge network of "friends" who are ready to sell their identities for a few bucks.  Every distribution method will be abused to some extent.
32  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: December 10, 2018, 08:14:44 AM

Correct, the current version signs with the latest address (the one on the Receive tab).
Unless you are concerned about privacy, you can move your entire balance to the already linked address.

@tonych, do we need to link our addresses for every draw, or just once and we enter every week?

Link once, they stay linked for all future draws.
33  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: December 10, 2018, 12:19:41 AM
Can anyone enter with multiple addresses ? I can only add one address, the next ones give an error, wants me to confirm/prove the new address with the first address over and over again.

you first have to enter the new address. then the signing will be done with this one.

Yeah that's what I do, add new address, enter new address and when I sign, it shows signing X (new) address by Y (old address) and gives an error. So in the message the new address appears but the signer is the old address.

Correct, the current version signs with the latest address (the one on the Receive tab).
Unless you are concerned about privacy, you can move your entire balance to the already linked address.
34  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: December 10, 2018, 12:17:08 AM
I just added the Airdrop bot to claim piece of the airdrop, aimed at distributing
the coins evenly. Here is the result:

This is ridiculous. I have 75 Megabytes of Byteball that equals to: 0.0072264237 points.
This is not fair distribution, this is feeding the rich Cheesy

Looks like I'm gonna be murdered for not giving everyone enough points Smiley
35  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: December 08, 2018, 09:20:40 PM
How is this improved if the goal is to distribute to as many people as possible? One person a week is as many as possible?

Add those who participate.  Even if they don't win, they learn about byteball.

Why would anyone who doesn't already know about Byteball participate? Especially when you really only have a chance to win if you pay $10 to give/validate your identity to some relatively unknown Russian-based cryptocurrency (or buy a shitload of byteballs - a relatively unknown Russian-based cryptocurrency that is currently down 99% vs USD or something from ath). If people want to pay $10 to play the lotto there's many easier ways with likely much higher odds of winning than that. Sorry, I mean, I love gambling and lotteries, but this doesn't seem to be aligned with the stated goal of wide distribution.

Further, this is essentially heavily tilted towards whales, particularly whales that have been KYC'd, but whales in general. How does having a lottery that is extremely skewed towards people already rich in Byteball further distribution to more people?

To get the facts straight, the weight of whales is discounted by 90% if you read the rules, and there is of course no $10 charge for validating your identity.

Right, so take address #10 on the richlist for instance:
https://byteball.fr/Top100ByteballRichest.php

He owns 10k GBYTE, meaning he would get 1000x entries into the lottery compared to someone holding 1 GBYTE.
This is my 1%.  This money does not participate and is immovable until the distribution ends.

Also, I thought Jumio or whatever verification cost $10 or so. Is this not correct?

It is $8, which is refunded after successful verification (effectively $0 if you don't screw up), plus $12 is airdropped to a smart contract.  If you use a voucher, you don't pay anything (referrer pays).
36  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: December 08, 2018, 08:49:13 PM
How is this improved if the goal is to distribute to as many people as possible? One person a week is as many as possible?

Add those who participate.  Even if they don't win, they learn about byteball.

I know it is difficult to meet all the wishes community members have. However - although I still own a bunch of GB - I do not welcome distribution for holding Bytes. I would like to see more campaigns and attempts to sign cooperations in order to use Bytes in daily life. I try to use crypto currencies wherever I have to chance to do. It is already possible  to pay for a certain type of digital products that I consume with BTC and some other coins. The same should be possible for bytes, and the remaining bytes should be used for those efforts.

That's of course the end goal but the path to it might not be as direct as we like.
Exactly, the shortest connection between two points is not a straight line but a winding curve full of obstacles.  Roll Eyes

The shortest connection between Spain and New Zealand is a straight line going though the center of planet Earth.  Go ahead take that route.
37  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: December 08, 2018, 06:40:32 PM
How is this improved if the goal is to distribute to as many people as possible? One person a week is as many as possible?

Add those who participate.  Even if they don't win, they learn about byteball.

I know it is difficult to meet all the wishes community members have. However - although I still own a bunch of GB - I do not welcome distribution for holding Bytes. I would like to see more campaigns and attempts to sign cooperations in order to use Bytes in daily life. I try to use crypto currencies wherever I have to chance to do. It is already possible  to pay for a certain type of digital products that I consume with BTC and some other coins. The same should be possible for bytes, and the remaining bytes should be used for those efforts.

That's of course the end goal but the path to it might not be as direct as we like.
38  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: December 08, 2018, 06:32:43 PM
How is this improved if the goal is to distribute to as many people as possible? One person a week is as many as possible?

Add those who participate.  Even if they don't win, they learn about byteball.

Why would anyone who doesn't already know about Byteball participate? Especially when you really only have a chance to win if you pay $10 to give/validate your identity to some relatively unknown Russian-based cryptocurrency (or buy a shitload of byteballs - a relatively unknown Russian-based cryptocurrency that is currently down 99% vs USD or something from ath). If people want to pay $10 to play the lotto there's many easier ways with likely much higher odds of winning than that. Sorry, I mean, I love gambling and lotteries, but this doesn't seem to be aligned with the stated goal of wide distribution.

Further, this is essentially heavily tilted towards whales, particularly whales that have been KYC'd, but whales in general. How does having a lottery that is extremely skewed towards people already rich in Byteball further distribution to more people?

To get the facts straight, the weight of whales is discounted by 90% if you read the rules, and there is of course no $10 charge for validating your identity.
39  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: December 08, 2018, 03:56:46 PM
How is this improved if the goal is to distribute to as many people as possible? One person a week is as many as possible?

Add those who participate.  Even if they don't win, they learn about byteball.
40  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: December 08, 2018, 03:19:29 PM
Weekly draw is a new distribution method that rewards Byte holders

https://medium.com/byteball/weekly-draw-for-the-byteball-community-f464ae731c88



For our latest distribution, Byte holders can receive rewards just for holding Bytes. Distributing funds again to existing Byte holders has been a popular request in the community for a while, and we are pleased to bring it back. This time with an improved format!

How the weekly airdrop draw works

Every week, we will airdrop a prize of 200 Gigabytes (GB) and 422.22 Gigablackbytes (GBB ó the private currency) to a single winner. It is like a lottery, but you donít need to buy a ticket, just prove your existing balance.

More Bytes, more chances to win

Your chances to win depend on the balance of the addresses you link. The larger the balance, the more points you get. The winner of the draw will be selected randomly on a specified date/time in a provably fair way (for the techies, see the algorithm we use to select the winner, it is based on randomness derived from the latest Bitcoin block). Your chance to be selected depends on the points you have on that date/time. The more points you have, the higher is your chance to win.

Smaller participants favored

We have designed the rules to favor of participants with smaller balances, so larger balances donít result in lots of additional points. This is in keeping with our aim since day 1 to get Bytes and Blackbytes into the hands of as many different people as possible.

To get the most points, youíll need to pass real name attestation and prove your real name (it is a paid service and to pass the attestation after the first attempt, make sure you have good lighting conditions, good focus, and no glare when you scan your document). The draw bot doesnít see your personal details, it needs just the fact that you are attested.

Full rules:

* Real-name attested addresses get 1 point per GB of balance up to 10 GB and additionally 0.1 point for each GB above that.
* Unattested addresses get 0.1 point per GB of balance.
* 0.1 point is awarded for each GB of balance increase since the previous draw.
* 0.2 point is deducted for each GB of balance decrease since the previous draw.

Refer users to increase your chances of winning

Increase your chances of winning by referring new users. When you refer new users to the draw and one of them wins, you also win 100 GB and 211.11 GBB!

You get your referral code and instructions after you link your own address.

How long will this distribution last?

We plan to run these draws weekly. There is no specified end date but we hope to run the draws for at least 6 months. Needless to say, the weekly draws cannot last forever (only 1 million GB of Bytes and 2.1111 million GBB of Blackbytes will ever exist).

This is a new distribution format that to our knowledge has never been tried before and we canít be sure that we made no mistakes in designing these rules. Based on experience from previous weeks, weíll adjust the rules of the draw, the amounts paid, points per GB, etc.

Ready to play?

The first draw is on Friday Dec 14 at 12:00 UTC.  Have your addresses linked in advance: add the Draw Airdrop bot from the Bot Store inside your Byteball wallet and follow the instructions. Good luck!

See the currently linked addresses (including yours) here http://draw.byteball.org.
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