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601  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 06, 2016, 11:56:57 PM
Btw, I don't understand why that paper failed to cite the prior art of Iota's and Sergio Demian Lerner's DAGs.

Don't forget Byteball, a new consensus algorithm and private untraceable payments using DAG, no POW, no POS! Wink
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1608859.0

Also found this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjT7wQNg_s4

The innovation claimed is that everyone can agree on 11 of 12 centralized supernodes to order the transactions, thus we wouldn't need PoW nor blocks if this claim were true and desirable.

If that claim were true, then we wouldn't have Visa and Mastercard dominant today.

Since people can't agree, this is why the governance of society is a power vacuum. The most ruthless and powerful are sucked into the vacuum to provide the top-down organization (discipline) that society requires to function. So it will be no different outcome in this case, where the 12 supernodes will be controlled by one entity (even pretending to be 12 entities via a Sybil attack). Because the users will never be able to agree on any evolution away from the 12 by forming a consensus on an exact 12, since they are only allowed a mutation of 1 at a time. And any higher rate of mutation would make it implausible to define a total order.

I am sorry he has failed. And every possible1 DAG design will fail.

Tangentially (off-topic for technical discussion) although the creator appears to have good intentions, I argue his distribution method is highly flawed. Giving away coins for free means most will dump them on the market, thus collapsing the price. Well maybe that is by design, so someone can scoop them up cheap and then later after price hits rock bottom, then that group can pump & dump it making the usual fortune by mining the n00b speculators.

1 I am referring to the concept of a DAG where branches are undifferentiated. And I have something more specific to say about this, but not ready to publish yet.

Are you the new identity of AnonyMint?
If you have any specific attack vectors in mind, please describe them and let's discuss.
602  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 06, 2016, 11:23:24 PM
I downloaded the Byteball wallet for Linux. I unzipped the compressed file. Now, what file of the unzipped folder do I need to execute in order to install and/or get the wallet run? Is there a tutorial somewhere?

The executable file is "Byteball test".  Run it from terminal.
603  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 06, 2016, 11:04:32 PM
Don't know if this has been addressed but wouldn't everyone sell all their bytecoins before the second distribution to gather extra btc for it?
i think better wait longer than to make more than one distributions.

Legit concern, it was addressed by making bytes also count for the second and subsequent phases of distribution.
See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1608859.msg16569906#msg16569906

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The 2nd and subsequent rounds are slightly different.  You show both your BTC balances (as before) and your balance in bytes.  You have a sort of basket that consists of a mixture of BTC and bytes.  To determine the weight of the basket, every 62.5 MB are counted as 1 BTC.  For example, if you have 125 MB and 3 BTC, the weight is 2+3=5 BTC.  The distribution of new bytes on the 2nd and subsequent stages is proportional to the weight of your basket.

The ratio 62.5 MB per 1 BTC is chosen so that the total money supply of bytes (1015) and the total number of BTC in circulation (16,000,000) are equivalent.

Earlier adopters have the opportunity to participate in greater number of distribution rounds and receive new bytes in each round by using the same BTC balance and bytes received in previous rounds.  You are effectively doubling your stake in each additional round you take part in.
604  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 05, 2016, 09:18:50 PM
tonych
thx, and one more question.
if i link my bitcoin address for example on the 10th of December with 10 btc, and spend 3 btc untill 25th of December,
then i'm getting 7 btc of Byteballs ?

Yes, but remember to move the 7 btc back to your linked address (most wallets throw the change onto a fresh newly generated address)
605  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 05, 2016, 07:43:18 PM
@tonych, do you expect exchange listings of Byteball during the distribution phase?

We are working to that end.
606  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 05, 2016, 08:23:36 AM
little lost, can someone explain, please?
so if on the first distribution i link a wallet with 10 btc and get equal 10btc in byteball
, and by the second distribution i've spent from the wallet say 5btc,
how much will i get on the second distribution? 5btc+10btc(byteball from the first one) multiplied by X ?
or i'm getting none if the bitcoin amount is less then on the first distribution?

The bolded part is correct.
607  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 04, 2016, 10:55:12 PM
What do you mean by "allow access to the private keys to official wallet"?

It is impossible to export private key in testnet..we can just import key..if wallet crash how can us restor it ?..privat key is an security allowing export fonds..so plan yu to allow this fonctionality in official wallet.

Unlike Bitcoin, private key in Byteball is not enough to restore access to funds.  Hence, to avoid giving false sense of security, I removed the export function.


happy friday to all frds


tonych can u explain what is the recovery easy system will be for final official wallet ..

need easy 1-2-3 steps to acces byteballs and send them ...


Two options:
1. (crazy) back up the app's data folder (e.g. on windows C:\users\<your user name>\AppData\Local\Byteball test).  You'll have to do that every time you send or receive blackbytes or any other private asset.
2. (practical) set up a multisig wallet with redundancy on two or more devices.  E.g. 1-of-2 on desktop+smartphone.  If one of the devices fails, you still can spend the funds from the other device.

I know this is not secure - but how about a real time back-up solution like owncloud/dropbox for this?

It's possible, if you feel comfortable about dropbox being able to see your private keys.
608  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 04, 2016, 11:07:19 AM
What do you mean by "allow access to the private keys to official wallet"?

It is impossible to export private key in testnet..we can just import key..if wallet crash how can us restor it ?..privat key is an security allowing export fonds..so plan yu to allow this fonctionality in official wallet.

Unlike Bitcoin, private key in Byteball is not enough to restore access to funds.  Hence, to avoid giving false sense of security, I removed the export function.


happy friday to all frds


tonych can u explain what is the recovery easy system will be for final official wallet ..

need easy 1-2-3 steps to acces byteballs and send them ...


Two options:
1. (crazy) back up the app's data folder (e.g. on windows C:\users\<your user name>\AppData\Local\Byteball test).  You'll have to do that every time you send or receive blackbytes or any other private asset.
2. (practical) set up a multisig wallet with redundancy on two or more devices.  E.g. 1-of-2 on desktop+smartphone.  If one of the devices fails, you still can spend the funds from the other device.
609  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 04, 2016, 09:33:59 AM
What do you mean by "allow access to the private keys to official wallet"?

It is impossible to export private key in testnet..we can just import key..if wallet crash how can us restor it ?..privat key is an security allowing export fonds..so plan yu to allow this fonctionality in official wallet.

Unlike Bitcoin, private key in Byteball is not enough to restore access to funds.  Hence, to avoid giving false sense of security, I removed the export function.
610  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 04, 2016, 12:33:23 AM
I found the bug and it will be fixed in the next release.
If you turned password protection on and created any new wallets _after_ that, these wallets are broken because of the bug.
You'll have to delete any such wallets on all devices.

It was a serious bug and you deserve a bounty for helping to discover it.  Please PM me you bitcoin address Smiley


ok but i will lost all my bytes test if i remove all wallet..so i can save my bytes or not ?

i pm yu  i no want reward i'm happy to help yu..just dont forget me for andro byte reward  Grin
Unfortunately you can't spend testbytes from these wallets.  Not a big reason to be upset because it is only testbytes.
I appreciate your help very much!  Nevertheless feel free to change your mind.

ok..i wait corrected version..plan you to allow access to the private keys to official wallet ?

i like cats if yu have one..buy him a present for chrismace if it is wise Wink

To be clear, the upgrade won't fix the wallets that are already broken.
What do you mean by "allow access to the private keys to official wallet"?
611  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 03, 2016, 10:15:35 PM
I found the bug and it will be fixed in the next release.
If you turned password protection on and created any new wallets _after_ that, these wallets are broken because of the bug.
You'll have to delete any such wallets on all devices.

It was a serious bug and you deserve a bounty for helping to discover it.  Please PM me you bitcoin address Smiley


ok but i will lost all my bytes test if i remove all wallet..so i can save my bytes or not ?

i pm yu  i no want reward i'm happy to help yu..just dont forget me for andro byte reward  Grin
Unfortunately you can't spend testbytes from these wallets.  Not a big reason to be upset because it is only testbytes.
I appreciate your help very much!  Nevertheless feel free to change your mind.
612  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 03, 2016, 07:45:24 PM
update wallet well done but i a error message when i submit an transac like this : uncaught exception : error : unexpected validation error : bad signature at path r.O can yu help me pls

Is it multisig wallet?  Please describe all steps before the error.

yes multisig but not activat (1 of 2#1)..when i send BBs at adresse wallet it isn't exe..error messa close my wallet..just that.

i activat multisig on my andro wallet paired with pc wall..when i submit transac..i have other error message : an exeption occurred: bitcore. Error invalid argument: invalid argument: no valid string was provided; cause: undefined

but  simple wallet work..its multisig wall wich has problem

Let me confirm that understand you correctly:
1.  You tried to created a 1-of-2 multisig wallet on PC+android, correct?
2.  You created it on PC but didn't approve it on android
3.  You try to send a transaction from this wallet on your PC and receive error "bad signature at path r.0"
4.  At the same time your android says "invalid argument: no valid string was provided"

I not try.. I create multisig wallet on pc & andro and paired it.. Before update it was working.. After update i a error when i try to send BBs.

Is it password protected?  Could you please remove password protection and try again?

done..always cannot  Sad

i cancel multisig wallet on my pc..now i can open it..just have an error R.1 when i want access and it closes..andro multisig wallet doesn't always work..i can receive but not send.

i uninstall wallet..reinstall..i always r.1 error and my balance Huh how this is possible ?

I found the bug and it will be fixed in the next release.
If you turned password protection on and created any new wallets _after_ that, these wallets are broken because of the bug.
You'll have to delete any such wallets on all devices.

It was a serious bug and you deserve a bounty for helping to discover it.  Please PM me you bitcoin address Smiley
613  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 03, 2016, 10:20:47 AM
update wallet well done but i a error message when i submit an transac like this : uncaught exception : error : unexpected validation error : bad signature at path r.O can yu help me pls

Is it multisig wallet?  Please describe all steps before the error.

yes multisig but not activat (1 of 2#1)..when i send BBs at adresse wallet it isn't exe..error messa close my wallet..just that.

i activat multisig on my andro wallet paired with pc wall..when i submit transac..i have other error message : an exeption occurred: bitcore. Error invalid argument: invalid argument: no valid string was provided; cause: undefined

but  simple wallet work..its multisig wall wich has problem

Let me confirm that understand you correctly:
1.  You tried to created a 1-of-2 multisig wallet on PC+android, correct?
2.  You created it on PC but didn't approve it on android
3.  You try to send a transaction from this wallet on your PC and receive error "bad signature at path r.0"
4.  At the same time your android says "invalid argument: no valid string was provided"

I not try.. I create multisig wallet on pc & andro and paired it.. Before update it was working.. After update i a error when i try to send BBs.

Is it password protected?  Could you please remove password protection and try again?

done..always cannot  Sad

i cancel multisig wallet on my pc..now i can open it..just have an error R.1 when i want access and it closes..andro multisig wallet doesn't always work..i can receive but not send.

i uninstall wallet..reinstall..i always r.1 error and my balance Huh how this is possible ?

Your data is not removed when you uninstall the wallet.
Please keep it for now, I may need your help to investigate the error.
614  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 02, 2016, 02:46:50 PM
update wallet well done but i a error message when i submit an transac like this : uncaught exception : error : unexpected validation error : bad signature at path r.O can yu help me pls

Is it multisig wallet?  Please describe all steps before the error.

yes multisig but not activat (1 of 2#1)..when i send BBs at adresse wallet it isn't exe..error messa close my wallet..just that.

i activat multisig on my andro wallet paired with pc wall..when i submit transac..i have other error message : an exeption occurred: bitcore. Error invalid argument: invalid argument: no valid string was provided; cause: undefined

but  simple wallet work..its multisig wall wich has problem

Let me confirm that understand you correctly:
1.  You tried to created a 1-of-2 multisig wallet on PC+android, correct?
2.  You created it on PC but didn't approve it on android
3.  You try to send a transaction from this wallet on your PC and receive error "bad signature at path r.0"
4.  At the same time your android says "invalid argument: no valid string was provided"

I not try.. I create multisig wallet on pc & andro and paired it.. Before update it was working.. After update i a error when i try to send BBs.

Is it password protected?  Could you please remove password protection and try again?
615  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 02, 2016, 08:16:15 AM
When will we have to link our btc wallet to be part of the distribution ?!
Huh

After the mainnet launched on the 25th December, wherein snapshot will be taken on the first block of that day.

When the mainnet launches, it will be already too late.
We'll start linking in early December and continue up to the launch date.
616  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 01, 2016, 10:49:34 PM
update wallet well done but i a error message when i submit an transac like this : uncaught exception : error : unexpected validation error : bad signature at path r.O can yu help me pls

Is it multisig wallet?  Please describe all steps before the error.

yes multisig but not activat (1 of 2#1)..when i send BBs at adresse wallet it isn't exe..error messa close my wallet..just that.

i activat multisig on my andro wallet paired with pc wall..when i submit transac..i have other error message : an exeption occurred: bitcore. Error invalid argument: invalid argument: no valid string was provided; cause: undefined

but  simple wallet work..its multisig wall wich has problem

Let me confirm that understand you correctly:
1.  You tried to created a 1-of-2 multisig wallet on PC+android, correct?
2.  You created it on PC but didn't approve it on android
3.  You try to send a transaction from this wallet on your PC and receive error "bad signature at path r.0"
4.  At the same time your android says "invalid argument: no valid string was provided"
617  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 01, 2016, 04:28:48 PM
update wallet well done but i a error message when i submit an transac like this : uncaught exception : error : unexpected validation error : bad signature at path r.O can yu help me pls

Is it multisig wallet?  Please describe all steps before the error.
618  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 01, 2016, 08:39:12 AM
If you want to support Byteball and also earn some BTC, join our signature campaign https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1666370.60.
The number of slots is limited but we give preference to those who are already active supporters.
619  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: October 31, 2016, 09:47:06 PM
Why guys haven't you submitted your ios app on App Store, or it got rejected?
If yes what was the reason? I haven't checked the source code but they had a reason if they had rejected.

Apple is cautious about new cryptos https://github.com/byteball/byteball/blob/master/building-for-ios.md.  But you can build iOS wallet yourself.
620  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: October 31, 2016, 09:45:07 PM
Maybe a little bit OT:
I’d was just reading that migrants sending every year 440 Milliarden Dollar home - most to Albanien, Afghanistan und Nigeria.
They use travel agencies, supermarkets and kiosk near the station to transfer the money using Western Union, Moneygram and Ria.

„Use BB.HS (BB- home-send) get 64,2 kB for free” 
„Save transfer around the world in seconds. Your BTC / Byte Dealer (every fu.. kiosk owner) will help you to tranfer.“

Yes, I know the problem ist the interface fiat<->crypto. So, maybe therefore  crypto will be a hidden layer for a very long time…
But people which selling cigarettes and lottery ticket can also sell BTC or Bytes using her mobile..
The problem ist to generate a initial demand - we have a classical problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_or_the_egg
To break the barrier and to initialize a Revolution, the fees have to be so smal against classical competitors (Western Union, Moneygram, Ria) that the people overcoming habits , fears  and prejudices.

That shoud not be a great Problem: I was reading they take up to 8% for sending 200 $.
In my opinion it’s much easier  to rush a existing market than enter a market wich will come in the future (IOTA).

@ lerecidiviste: you will receive some funds


Throughout the history of Bitcoin, there were multiple attempts to tap into this huge market, without much success.  Search for "bitcoin remittance" to learn more.
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