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741  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 13, 2016, 12:11:04 PM
A good idea if you want to maximize distribution would be to not only extend the period, but find a way to make linking accounts available as soon as possible. This way, people don't have to wait another 1 - 2 months until they can link their accounts and potentially forget or miss byteball.

We'll enter the linking phase long before the launch date.
Even before that, I plan to test flight the distribution on the Bitcoin testnet (i.e. Bitcoin testnet to Byteball testnet).
742  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 13, 2016, 11:08:48 AM

No IPO scam.
The distribution make this altcoin "legit".
I am fine with the 1% for the developers.

Are you planing to hire a team ?

Yes, I'll add more people as soon as I see the need.
743  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 13, 2016, 08:28:33 AM
i'm getting fail message:
Failed to pay: not enough spendable funds from T3PYXNLRTLGCGFKZANXXTJ35BSFWZA2R,SY4KX4K6WYGBEPHJU2WR3TGWKENEE7UJ,6FGIFOPCXQYK7CFFKGTW2L776OCVX4KL,MDLYWSXQAWOVIDQF5OMCOLKDOFO44ZHX,5WDVFR7OD4OTIVFYTTRSS2FDVD5GERXC,QIV54IMV5CKRRMDPXAQSH4KBCP7ZKUZD,VPZ5ZIQO6D46L4BJ7OQL2RXPQEVZIR4F for 74430

4 transaction (free bytes) to my address: IVQJOF55ZAGEMPCABDTY6JQIJKUSSK2F

IMHO the last payment must be confirmed before you can issue a new one. Wait a while and try again.
Make sure that you have enough funds to cover the fees (589 Bytes for a standard tx).

I guess the error was from the faucet, it ran out of funds.  I refilled its balance, try again.
744  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 13, 2016, 12:24:06 AM
are there any plans for a telegram group?

Focus on this thread for now please.
745  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 12, 2016, 04:58:27 PM
Hi all I have an error message on my mobile Android

Javascript error: Uncaught Error, SQLiteError, Too many SQL variables (code 1) Etc.

What is it?

I see crash reports coming with this error, I already know how to fix it but need more information from you.  Will PM you shortly.
746  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 12, 2016, 02:07:33 PM

Vielen Dank!
747  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 12, 2016, 10:14:17 AM
This explains the blackbytes workflow but doesn't seem to answer CryptKeeper's question ...
Sorry, got totally consumed by describing the chat workflow Smiley (which is equally good for bytes BTW).
I might add the display of the sender's addresses in a future version, just for completeness, but be warned that it won't tell you who is the real person behind these addresses.

I am not interested in who got the fees, I just want to know if some user got them or if they were burned ... I mean if someone was the first to reference my transaction as parent and/or is a witness then they should've gotten the fees, just wanted to make sure of that.
They can't be burned, somebody definitely gets them after the transaction is confirmed.

The wallet is designed for unsophisticated users (GUI was borrowed from Copay, the most easy to use bitcoin wallet) and we generally avoid displaying information that bears little meaning to regular user.

Having both is having complexity again, something I avoid by all means throughout this project.

I'm not against accommodating regular users, I just think that this simplicity may annoy less regular users. As far as I'm concerned, even if the info may have little meaning, being able to display it and choosing not to is not the same as not being able to display it.

There is a lot of information that is available but I chose not to display.  The choice was dictated by the desire to keep the UI as clean and uncluttered as possible.  This is weighted against the usefulness of information, while keeping in mind a regular user.   I understand the choices may not be optimized for every user, and if you want to design a wallet for pro users, fork it and release your own.

Can you elaborate a bit on the complexity that signing a message instead of making a payment may introduce? (I'm not taking about the complexity of signing a message per se, I'm talking about how this will make the distribution process more complex.)

Accepting claims as signed messages alone is not complex technically but there are serious issues on the usability side:
1.  First of all, not every wallet has this function.
2.  Even in wallets that can do it, it is a rarely used function, users need to be instructed how to use it for every brand of wallet, and they feel insecure when they do something for the first time.

Having both options adds complexity on both technical and usability sides:
1.  More code that needs to be written, debugged, and tested.  Despite all the testing, more code is always more complexity and greater probability of errors, including security errors.  Complexity is the enemy of security.
2.  More options for users means more options for attackers too.  This needs to be analyzed, and with growing complexity the chances of missing something increase.
3.  Longer instructions for users.  They are scared off by the abundance of text or unfamiliar words, like "signing a message".
4.  Users have to evaluate both options and make their choices.  Choice is difficult when the difference between the choices is not immediately clear.

All this is fine as long as there is a real tangible benefit in adding more options that overweights the negatives.  In this particular case, there isn't.
748  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 12, 2016, 07:57:38 AM
It's up to the community to decide on criteria for a witness, but I would personally expect more real word reputation, not just in trading (e.g. if you are a google, you are OK with me Smiley ).

One way to become a witness is as follows:
1.  Run the witness code on your server https://github.com/byteball/byteball-witness.  To be considered seriously, you need to run it on a server that is well connected and always online.  Running this code alone won't make you a witness automatically, you'll just periodically post your units to the database (and spend your bytes by doing this).
2.  Campaign here and elsewhere trying to persuade everybody that you would be a better witness than somebody else and they should change their witness list by replacing some other witness address with yours.

I'm fascinated by this new tech, wow!  Shocked

@tonych:
Are you already accepting applications for witnesses? I would love to be part of this project. I have no problem to reveal my true identity. I'm here since 2013 and did a lot of trading with good reputation. Not only digital but also physical goods, so my postal address is also known to several members. Please contact me by PM if you have any further questions.

As a witness, should I run the client on a vps or is a local pc sufficient?
749  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 12, 2016, 07:24:14 AM
How will you know where to send the issued BYTEBALL tokens?

You link your Byteball address, this is where you'll receive your bytes.

How do I link it?

I'll post instructions when we enter the linking phase.
750  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 12, 2016, 07:14:59 AM
Coinbase users will need to create a coinbase vault with the option "I will manage security myself Advanced" and move their coins to this vault.  With this option, your BTC will be on your address, not on coinbase's.

Can you also send out btc from your coinbase vault address?

Sorry my mistake, you can't pay from coinbase vault address, so coinbase users will have to move funds to another wallet they have full control over.
751  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 11, 2016, 11:00:32 PM
Is there a mobile wallet which you can download via apple's appstore?

Android only for now.  Apple didn't approve our app for the app store but you can build it yourself https://github.com/byteball/byteball/blob/master/building-for-ios.md
752  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 11, 2016, 10:57:24 PM
How will you know where to send the issued BYTEBALL tokens?

You link your Byteball address, this is where you'll receive your bytes.
753  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 11, 2016, 10:55:21 PM
I don't, and always tell everybody not to do this. But people still use them and give them a shitload of their BTC, which those scamers are going to use to game your giveaway. And when they will get 99% of your bytes, they will dump them at their exchanges and drop the price into shit. MWHAHAHAHA!!!

It seems there are many people here who hate exchanges.  We can trump them if we collectively link more BTC than they hold.
754  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 11, 2016, 08:07:16 PM

The snapshot will be taken on block 437000 in early November (subject to change).


Pick a block number randomly out of range of blocks, e.g. 437000-438000, after the last block in the range is closed.

What for?

This way nobody will know exact number in advance. More mystery, less possibility to game the distribution.

Since there is no way to game it, certainty is way better than mystery Smiley

A possibility to game it by exchanges using user's funds was mentioned above, and this is a valid concern. Knowing the block number of snapshot in advance may help them to move funds around to get more bytes. Of course, making the number to be random still does not exclude all possibilities to game the distribution, but at least this could make it more difficult to plan ahead.

What kind of moving funds around will get them more bytes?

From exchange wallets into personal wallets and back after snapshot is taken.  This can be done by exchange employees without their boss even knowing about it, if they know when snapshot is going to happen. This is just one example.

Oh no, please don't deal with exchanges where employees can take coins so easily.
755  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 11, 2016, 08:03:47 PM
So when distribution happens, would we need to consolidate all bitcoins to a certain address before a certain block? How would sending from a coinbase wallet work - if a user sent maybe 0.0001 BTC from an address to your address and the Coinbase address contains 100 BTC, would he/she have a weight of 100 BTC during distribution?

IMHO a snapshot of the bitcoin blockchain must be taken at a defined block height to verify the address amounts. Without a snapshot one could easily move his bitcoins around and claim bytes multiple times.

Snapshot at a certain block height is good but combining those bitcoins into one address in order to claim would become impossible.

Yes but I don't see any alternative to a snapshot, the risk that you can game the distribution is too high and this must be prevented at all costs. What's the advantage to combine your bitcoin adresses anyway? In bitcoin best practice is to not re-use addresses. I think it would be better to claim with multiple addresses from your wallet without moving coins around.

The snapshot will be taken on block 437000 in early November (subject to change).

Answering the original question, consolidating all bitcoins to a single address is recommended for convenience, otherwise you'll have to claim for each individual address.  If concerned about what blockchain analysts can uncover about you, pass the coins through a mixer prior to consolidating.

Coinbase users will need to create a coinbase vault with the option "I will manage security myself Advanced" and move their coins to this vault.  With this option, your BTC will be on your address, not on coinbase's.

So to confirm, would you need to own the private keys to the address to claim it or only send a small portion from the address?

You need to control the address and have your balance on the address.  This is most easily achieved by owning the private keys, but other options also exist, e.g. the Coinbase vault in the specific setup described above, blockchain.info.
756  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 11, 2016, 07:57:27 PM
The fees are collected partially by those who are first to reference your transaction as parent and partially by witnesses.

So, anyone here who got the fees?
In the current version, the wallet does not display who got the fees, and I believe it is of little interest to most users.  Besides, the fees paid by one transaction are too small to care about (unless the marketcap is over $100bn).

Is there any way to have more information about a transaction, the id for instance, the number of confirmations it needed (it just goes from unconfirmed to cofirmed)?
The wallet is designed for unsophisticated users (GUI was borrowed from Copay, the most easy to use bitcoin wallet) and we generally avoid displaying information that bears little meaning to regular user.

There is no such thing as number of confirmations, the transaction is either confirmed or pending.  This is by design (see the white paper https://byteball.org/Byteball.pdf).

or

b) require a signed message from the claiming address instead of making a 0.001 BTC transaction
      - then people wouldn't have to make a tx that possibly compromises their privacy or loses them coins

This one is complex too.  Not every wallet has this function, and even when it has, users rarely know how to use it.  There is nothing simpler than just regular payment, which is the basic functionality of every wallet.

Can't we have both? Users who know how to/can/want to sign a message may do so and others may send a payment.

Having both is having complexity again, something I avoid by all means throughout this project.
757  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 11, 2016, 07:35:48 PM
CryptKeeper, I sent 111 bytes to the first address and 999 bytes to the second, did you receive them? Both transactions cost 589 bytes, does this mean that the fee is set to this amount whatever the number of bytes one sends?

Yes, I acknowledge!  Grin
I cannot see who has sent these tx, there is no sender address! Is this meant to be like this?

That's a good question that presents me an opportunity to tell you about another workflow, which is the only workflow possible for blackbytes (the private currency).  When you pay in blackbytes, the private payload is not stored on the public database, rather it is sent directly to the payee.  To deliver it, we need to establish a direct communication link between the payer and the payee.  This is accomplished by pairing their wallets. 

One of the parties (payer or payee) creates an invitation in his wallet by clicking Menu button -> Paired devices -> Add new -> Invite.  Select and send the long code to the other party (if meeting in person, the other party can just scan the QR code).  The other party just clicks the code if it is clickable, or pastes it in his wallet at Menu button -> Paired devices -> Add new -> Accept invitation.  Now they are paired.  Don't paste the code on this forum as it is for one-time use only, it won't work for the second person.  Rather PM it to the intended counterpart.

Once you are paired, start a chat and use "Insert address" button to share your address with the correspondent (this will be a freshly generated address, specifically for this correspondent).  The other party then clicks the received address and sends payment in bytes or in blackbytes, and you immediately receive notification in chat and know who sent the payment.  At this moment, the private payload (if it was payment in blackbytes) is already saved in your wallet, and only you and the payer know about it.

I've seen the 589 Bytes fee also for my own tx. IMHO this tx type "send bytes" has a size of 589 bytes, so we have to pay 589 Bytes!  Cheesy
Other tx types may vary in fees because of a different tx size.

It can be different, in particular it depends on the number of unspent outputs consumed by the transaction, more outputs take up more space.
758  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 11, 2016, 04:40:47 PM
Hi Tony CH - why not either

a) require an address to burn 1% of its balance instead of flat fee of 0.001 BTC
      - this wouldn't matter to small-medium holders at all, and
      - it would make the distribution better as a whale sitting on 10k BTC wouldn't probably want to spend all 100 BTC, and
      - it would prevent or at least make it hard for exchanges and other parties holding other people's coins to get large percentage for free

Looks too complex to me because we need to somehow know the balance in advance.

or

b) require a signed message from the claiming address instead of making a 0.001 BTC transaction
      - then people wouldn't have to make a tx that possibly compromises their privacy or loses them coins

This one is complex too.  Not every wallet has this function, and even when it has, users rarely know how to use it.  There is nothing simpler than just regular payment, which is the basic functionality of every wallet.
759  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 11, 2016, 04:15:57 PM

The snapshot will be taken on block 437000 in early November (subject to change).


Pick a block number randomly out of range of blocks, e.g. 437000-438000, after the last block in the range is closed.

What for?

This way nobody will know exact number in advance. More mystery, less possibility to game the distribution.

Since there is no way to game it, certainty is way better than mystery Smiley

A possibility to game it by exchanges using user's funds was mentioned above, and this is a valid concern. Knowing the block number of snapshot in advance may help them to move funds around to get more bytes. Of course, making the number to be random still does not exclude all possibilities to game the distribution, but at least this could make it more difficult to plan ahead.

What kind of moving funds around will get them more bytes?
760  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 11, 2016, 02:12:38 PM

The snapshot will be taken on block 437000 in early November (subject to change).


Pick a block number randomly out of range of blocks, e.g. 437000-438000, after the last block in the range is closed.

What for?

This way nobody will know exact number in advance. More mystery, less possibility to game the distribution.

Since there is no way to game it, certainty is way better than mystery Smiley
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