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141  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: I'm giving 100% ROI away to anyone who thinks pirate is a fraud on: September 09, 2012, 04:27:31 PM
damn, and I so wanted to order that ellet or whatever it was called. That wrist watch bitcoin thingy Matthew? How do you think that will fare now?
142  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Discussion about 10,000BTC Bet (Official) on: September 09, 2012, 04:24:35 PM
Theymos gave him the tag. I'm sure theymos is not happy, given that he had a bet.

Thanks for me letting me know. You have to unignore him to see it Wink.
143  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Discussion about 10,000BTC Bet (Official) on: September 09, 2012, 04:12:57 PM
If matt loses he pays 20btc to 13dSK4663Ts7j2PwHS1eUVjycKLBwx7PJM. And he did it.

Thats not what it said. It said to "that" address, which any reasonable person  would interpret as the address entered by the person accepting the bet, rather than the stated example. ITs the sort of thing a 7 year old who thinks he is clever would try to pull off. I never expected matthew to pay, but he fully deserves the scammer tag.
144  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: I'm giving 100% ROI away to anyone who thinks pirate is a fraud on: September 09, 2012, 03:52:12 PM
Nice try. Time for a scammer tag.
145  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Discussion about 10,000BTC Bet (Official) on: September 09, 2012, 01:16:29 PM
His thing was "people shouldn't say it's a scam without knowing the facts" so

Pirate is a scam = Wrong
Pirate is likely a scam = OK
Pirates business model looks questionable, please provide more insight into how you produce these returns = Ideal

So how is he teaching us anything? People said Pirate was a ponzi because there was no shred of evidence to the contrary (no credible profit generator etc). People said Matthew wasnt going pay because there was no shred of evidence he had either the means or the willingness to pay (nonsensical bet, no escrow, no proof of ownership etc).

If he wont pay, whats the lesson? If anything he would be proving the opposite of what he claims to want to teach us.
146  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why I trust Patrick Harnett on: September 08, 2012, 11:15:47 PM
You could ask why bitcoin mining exists at all because it is essentially marginally profitable and by your logic bitcoin itself doesnt make any economic sense!

Because you can sell the risk to suckers in the form of fixed MH mining bonds.
147  Local / Nederlands (Dutch) / Re: Nederlands! (algemeen) on: September 08, 2012, 10:40:50 PM
Neem butterflylabs met hun fgpa producten die zoals ze zeggen met hun Single SC 40 GH/s voor $1,299, (gaan) verkopen. (www.butterflylabs.com/products) zou jij indien je deze producten op grote schaal kunt maken ze niet gewoon ZELF aan het net hangen? Huh

Neen, dat zou ik niet doen. Je kan ze beter verkopen aan miners die niet weten hoeveel je er al (voor)verkocht hebt en dus bereid zijn meer te betalen dan die asics ooit zullen terugverdienen. Des te meer omdat je een paar maand later gewoon opnieuw evenveel asics kunt verkopen aan de halve prijs, en opnieuw, en opnieuw. ASICs kosten immers haast niets om te produceren (wel erg veel om te ontwikkelen).

Bovendien is BFL niet de enige, er zijn niet minder dan 4 bedrijven die met asics komen dit jaar en begin volgend jaar. Difficulty gaat astronomisch hoog worden en met 40GH ga je straks wellicht minder verdienen dan met 1 GPU vandaag.



148  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [POLL] Should the PPTs for BTCST be held at least partially responsible? on: September 08, 2012, 10:29:54 PM
No, they were honest about just being pass throughs to Pirate.

We dont know that for sure. Its feasible some of them knew it was a ponzi on the verge of collapse and did not pass (everything) through, and instead just pocketed the money. I would like to see some transaction IDs to make sure thats not the case. I want to see those PPT transactions anyway.

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However, some of them implying they knew his business model and saying it wasn't a ponzi, which is definitely misleading to their customers.

+10.
Misleading is too kind a word though.
149  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Hashkings Lending,Deposit 1.25% INSURED, ALL PPT ACCOUNTS CLOSING ON 8/19 on: September 08, 2012, 10:12:12 PM
I feel I have been scammed.

Thats probably because you have been scammed:

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If someone is in need to make a withdrawl of bitcoins there is a 24 hour waiting period.  Most withdrawls will be returned sooner as long as I'm not sleeping.  All my depositers funds are 100% guaranteed and will not lose any funds due to any defaults
150  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] Gamma Insured Pirate Pass Through on: September 08, 2012, 10:08:55 PM

151  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Discussion about 10,000BTC Bet (Official) on: September 08, 2012, 09:57:07 PM

Cant take credit for that, Ive never even seen it. But its a handy link Smiley
152  Economy / Services / Re: Gigamining / Teramining on: September 08, 2012, 09:46:51 PM
Im pretty sure they are still grossly overpriced today, so anyone who believes otherwise, lend me your bond, so I can short it. I will give you a nice bonus on your dividends if you let me borrow it for 3-6 months. PM me for details."

So one would get back his own bonds even more devalued after your 'cure'?
Thanks for another losing proposition.

They  will get the bonds back and all dividends plus a bonus. Its clearly better than just keeping the bond. Should be a no brainer for anyone who thinks these bonds are reasonably priced.
153  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Hashkings Lending,Deposit 1.25% INSURED, ALL PPT ACCOUNTS CLOSING ON 8/19 on: September 08, 2012, 09:44:30 PM
3 years? LOL. What happens if bitcoin goes over $100 in 3 years, it becomes 30 years?
154  Economy / Services / Re: Gigamining / Teramining on: September 08, 2012, 09:34:43 PM
I have been saying for almost half a year they are terribly overpriced. Thats whats wrong with them.

If you think they are so terribly overpriced then why not borrow some and short them? At least put some money where your opinion is.

Ive been doing just that, and if you read what I wrote, Im still doing it: "
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Im pretty sure they are still grossly overpriced today, so anyone who believes otherwise, lend me your bond, so I can short it. I will give you a nice bonus on your dividends if you let me borrow it for 3-6 months. PM me for details.
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155  Economy / Services / Re: Gigamining / Teramining on: September 08, 2012, 09:18:33 PM
So, in essence, you are saying that mining bonds in general are a bad idea?

Why do you keep posting strawman arguments Giga? Can you not read? English is my 3rd language, so perhaps I do not make myself clear? I have been saying for almost half a year they are terribly overpriced. Thats whats wrong with them.

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If so, should I even offer a paid upgrade? Am I only furthering the detriment of possible holders of the bonds?

The ASIC switch is impossible to predict. If BFL is the first on the market and you get your gear before most others, the paid upgrade might be worth it. If not,  it will be money down the drain. Its not something I would want to bet on, and clearly, not something you want to bet on otherwise you would not securitise your asic revenue.

No.

Why not?
156  Economy / Services / Re: Gigamining / Teramining on: September 08, 2012, 09:09:34 PM

Hi P4man,

 It seems to me that more often than not, you are nay saying mining bonds,

True,  Ive been saying this for 4 months.  Was I wrong? A quick glance at GLSBE suggests I was not.

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pointing out the problems rather than the solutions.

If you dont buy them, there is no problem and no need for a solution. The only problem I guess is uneducated buyers paying too much, so I try to educate them (and borrow bonds from those who disbelief me).

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Are you recommending that others just buy and hold BTC? Are you recommending a reinvestment strategy?

Compared to buying or holding fixed MH mining bonds, clearly buying or holding BTC is definitely the smarter choice. If you can short these bonds, even better. Will you lend me some of yours?
157  Local / Discussions générales et utilisation du Bitcoin / Re: Obtenir quelques btc en France sans attendre 15 jours ?(désolé si repost) on: September 08, 2012, 09:01:03 PM
Parce qu'il y a pas mal de personnes qui preferrent utiliser du cash. Si non, je n'aurais pas eu plusieures demande pareille.
Egalemant, tous les bourse bitcoin qui accepte SEPA que je connais, utilize une banque Polonais, et tres souvant ton virement et blocque par ta banque.

Bitcoin Central utilise maintenant un compte français à la place de cette banque polonaise dont tu parles.

Je ne savais pas (je ne connais meme pas cette bourse), mais c'est bien a savoir.
158  Local / Discussions générales et utilisation du Bitcoin / Re: Obtenir quelques btc en France sans attendre 15 jours ?(désolé si repost) on: September 08, 2012, 08:57:37 PM
D'abords, excusez mon francais ecrit terrible. Ca fait 20+ ans que je eu des cours Smiley.

Si tu veut, pour des quantité pareille, je veux biens t'envoyer des bitcoins pour des billets euro envoye par courielle. Je l'ai fait plusieurs fois pour d'autres personnes sur ce forum. Je suis en belgique, ca n'e prends que 1 ou 2 jours. Envoie moi un PM si cela t'interesse (et dit mois si to comprends l'anglais, c'est plus facille pour moi pour ecrire Smiley ).

Ce n'est pas plus rapide qu'un virement SEPA, et bien moins sûr. Pourquoi ne pas lui proposer de te faire un virement plutôt que de t'envoyer des billets ?

Parce qu'il y a pas mal de personnes qui preferrent utiliser du cash. Si non, je n'aurais pas eu plusieures demande pareille.
Egalemant, tous les bourse bitcoin qui accepte SEPA que je connais, utilize une banque Polonais, et tres souvant ton virement et blocque par ta banque.
159  Local / Discussions générales et utilisation du Bitcoin / Re: Obtenir quelques btc en France sans attendre 15 jours ?(désolé si repost) on: September 08, 2012, 08:50:30 PM
D'abords, excusez mon francais ecrit terrible. Ca fait 20+ ans que je eu des cours Smiley.

Si tu veut, pour des quantitées pareille, je veux biens t'envoyer des bitcoins pour des billets euro envoye par courielle. Je l'ai fait plusieurs fois pour d'autres personnes sur ce forum. Je suis en belgique, ca ne prends que 1 ou 2 jours. Envoie moi un PM si cela t'interesse (et dit mois si to comprends l'anglais, c'est plus facille pour moi pour ecrire Smiley ).
160  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why I trust Patrick Harnett on: September 08, 2012, 08:31:29 PM
They already do. You are the first person who I've ever seen call Patrick out, I'm quite sure all of his investors as well as many potential investors feel quite secure investing in Patrick.

You base your trust on the person, Joel (and I and many others) base our distrust on the business model. I dont know Patrick, but that doesnt matter, since I might not even be able to spot a ponzi scam artist if he lived under my own roof. OTOH,  its fairly easy to spot a businessmodel that has all the trademarks of a ponzi. IOW, leave your trust or distrust of Patrick out of it, if anything, Pirate should have taught you that lesson. Instead focus on what is known and unknown about the business.
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