i don't think anyone here should be recommending to buy crypto off paypal - it's a surveillance platform for the state to extort you & control your life

paypal is part of the problem

if you want to be part of the solution - use P2P exchanges, swap sites (no kyc), atomic swaps. check out kycnot.me - there's plenty of options

from what i can tell: no individual or entity currently controls* the bitcoin network & it would be very hard to

* but what if i told you bitcoin has already been infiltrated from within? what if it was led down a path to make it unusable as money, it's been turned into a digital gold like token traded on wall st. it's just number go up technology at this point

no base layer privacy, no future proof on-chain scaling, lightning failing to gain adequate adoption - too expensive to run a node, transactions regularly fail, it's not easy to get privacy, still not fungible

i used to think roger ver was an idiot, now i realize he was right, it's just so hard to challenge the status quo when the media is controlled by a literal cult - they have a lot of influence over bitcoin & most of crypto in fact. monero is one they're trying to keep quiet because it currently works & provides real privacy to those who seek it (no you're not a criminal for wanting privacy - this is mind control by the state)

anyone who cares about privacy has moved to monero

it's clear saylor, blackrock etc will never allow consensus for it

if there was going to be privacy on base layer, it would have happened already

money laundering = moving your money privately
tax evasion = doing the right thing & not complying with criminals, keeping the fruits of your labor. not allowing pedos to extort you.

it's word magic, a spell that has been placed on the population

it's all a scam folks

if you think this system has any legitimacy left, you're brainwashed

government is slavery using lies, deception, psychological abuse over generations

samourai was bitcoin's best hope for privacy

they're coming for privacy in 2024 as the agenda progresses fast, time to switch to privacy by default - monero

you can filter out tainted coins, but how costly & time consuming will that be going forward. bitcoin is suppose to be permissionless

bitcoin is operating mostly in the realm of surveillance platforms, most mainstream people fear the system - they will bend the knee and comply

the creep with only increase for people who want privacy, the controllers of this world want a top down authoritarian world government - if you think it's a conspiracy theory - they're openly telling us lol

but i agree, any business who supports KYC, freezing funds etc should be boycotted immediatedly - it's completely immoral

because of all this im gravitating more toward undergroud economy and we know monero is king

fungibility is when all units are indistinguishable between one another

i.e you melt a dozen 24 carat gold coins, you can recreate them into a new set of coins

i've been censored numerous times now because i use coinjoin - that means there is bitcoin & tainted bitcoin. only a small percentage of supply is coinjoined.

lightning & onchain are not indistinguishable either, sure 1 sat is 1 sat, but they make different history on the ledger

the only thing that comes close to fungible as a cryptocurrency is monero - and the anon set is due to massively increase with upcoming upgrade.

also, with these high fees it's becoming too costly to use coinjoin / open lightning channels on bitcoin for the average user.

Yes, this is something I'm personally predicting big time

People are starting to figure it out. Check out website kycnot.me

Most of crypto is just surveillance like fiat, so they can easily pin your identity to the blockchain & extort you

Problem is - if you coinjoin your BTC, most exchanges/swap sites will now deny your transactions

So you best buy it P2P at the very minimum or just use Monero

however Monero is being shadow-banned all over the place - which tells me they fear it the most. which makes me want to buy & use it more

I'm not saying they can control the network, I'm saying they've influenced it's direction & will use legislation to control the people who use it.

The Federal Reserve began behind close doors on Jekyll island. A conspiracy is when 1 or more people work together to carry out a criminal act.

I personally awoke to the power of the Cabal/Illuminati/J's during Covid. Still to this day, no virus has been proven to exist, the tests are a proven fraud & the vaccines are proven to be deadly. They shut the entire world down using the media to create fear. They destroyed small businesses & transferred more wealth to bankers & corporations. You were only "safe" if you shopped at the government approved corporations. Not one corrupt politician has gone to prison for Covid. They're currently trying to construct a world government using the WHO as a facade.

To this day, not one pedo who visited Epstein's island has been throw in jail. Sure they hang a few out to dry, but the list is massive & Epstein is only the tip of the iceberg. If the law was real, you would have seen justice by now.

Not one war criminal is behind bars. Assange is locked up for blowing the whistle. 9/11 was an inside job to kick star the war on terror/foundation for surveillance gird. War is profitable & they can control/eliminate the population, acquire more resources etc. The whole world is still watching this genocide in Gaza & not one government has intervened.

I've been a Bitcoiner almost 10 years. Only haven woken up to the reality of this world in the last few years, I'm only now seeing how they've infiltrated every facet of our lives. It was hard for me to come to this realization. I now realize the crazy ones in the minority of Bitcoin (Roger Ver, John McAfee) are probably right. That doesn't mean I believe in BCH. I personally think people will go for privacy coins like Monero, as they realize they're building a digital slavery system/ they're lying about everything.

The conspiracy is so large & evil, that most cannot comprehend it.

 

They can't stop us buying BTC (yet) & vice versa, however I'm not talking about the supply of coins & who owns what.

I'm talking about their tentacles reaching far & wide within the Bitcoin ecosystem. they own mining companies, exchanges, wallets etc. then you have the largest interface on top pushing their digital surveillance agenda - government. They are pushing bitcoin to be bagged & tagged. Yes, they can't control the network as a whole. However, they can use government to control everything around it. They can use the threat of violence (law) & extortion (taxes) to control the people who use it. They can restrict undesirable people from using the internet when the CBDC/digital ID's come online. It may be very hard to use the internet if you don't wish to comply.

To me, it looks like Bitcoin is becoming a government approved coin. Sure the media will throw lots of stories out to make you believe Bitcoiners are radical etc. That we're going against the system - but are we really?

They do fear Bitcoiners who take custody of their coins & use privacy best practice. These type of people are making real change. The trend I'm noticing though - a lot are using Monero to make transactions instead. These types of Bitcoiners understand there's no freedom without privacy. As things get more dystopian, I think others will realize this too.

Between chain analytics companies, BlackRock, Saylor, centralized exchanges/government approval, demonizing/de-listing of privacy coins & wallets....etc, one has to wonder...has Bitcoin been infiltrated by global elite?

There is clearly a global agenda to gain control of populations, through every possible means. IMO, you have to very ignorant at this point to think otherwise.

Is Bitcoin really freedom money?

Yes I think in a lot of way it's a failure, most Bitcoin maxis are in denial.

i just a saw tweet from a maxi telling people to use custodial lightning wallet - this is centralization. this is what we're trying to avoid. Goes against everything Satoshi envisioned

I stopped running a lightning node because it's not real user friendly, i lost funds, my channels got closed. it's not reliable enough to make payments (unless connected to large centralized nodes) & I don't trust it's privacy. of course, if this changes in the future, I may go back. Until then, i prefer onchain.

problem is there no privacy onchain, unless you're willing to put in a lot of work & discipline, Coinjoin is super expensive, time consuming, & it only obfuscates your transactions.

Bitcoin fees will likely skyrocket rise as the price rises. The cost to open a lightning channel will rise too.

To me, Monero is the next logical move to scale and get privacy (top 2 priorities). It has dynamic block sizes to scale, keep fees low & it's about to get a massive upgrade to privacy - will have a huge anonymity set. Will make Coinjoin look like a joke.

Also, it's the most used & widely accepted privacy coin online (#1 on darknet markets), has lots of support for wallets, there's plenty of options to trade P2P without KYC, various decentralized exchanges (more coming online), working atomic swaps too....it's a thriving network. almost no one is paying attention to. IMO it's the only one that has a real chance to flip BTC.

Personally I think we're past the point of asking permission from the government. This whole legal tender thing means nothing to me.

Between the vaccine genocide, genocide in Gaza, money laundering & genocide in Ukraine etc, it's safe to say there is no law.

Governments all the world are clearly a front to a cabal of super rich parasites who hide in the shadows & pull the strings. Why are people still complying with criminals?

The original idea of cryptocurrencies was to have permission-less networks the government cannot control.

The other concerning thing: Bitcoin & most of crypto are turning into surveillance coins. it's getting harder to not comply - hence why a lot of hardcore freedom fighting Bitcoiners are moving to Monero.

IMO main thing Bitcoin can't offer offer over gold:

Value in doomsday situation - no power/internet.

My other main concern:

Bitcoin isn't fungible (interchangeable units) either - some is coinjoined (tainted), some is not.

Monero is fungible & will soon undergo massive privacy upgrade - with extremely large anon set.

Gold units aren't all the same either unless they're melted down & are the same purity. This is better than Bitcoin because it doesn't leave a trace of transaction history.

Personally I think it's wise to own bitcoin, monero, gold & silver. Which ever way the world goes, you're covered.

like convid, climate change is a scam to usher in communism, it's not getting hotter/the seas aren't rising

however the weather is changing due to geo-engineering - have you looked at the skies lately? nothing is organic

we are all carbon based life forms, no co2 means no life - funnily enough the super rich are trying to massively reduce world population

bitcoin uses renewable energy & fossil fuel. heck, it doesn't matter to be honest. if bitcoin replaced fiat it would fix climate change lol because fiat is one of main underlying scams in the matrix

so yes it does have the potential to impact climate change lol

What if you do everything right as above. You make an online purchase but your delivery address is included in transaction. Can't they just connect beginning & final transaction. Sure it'll take them a bit to work out, but that black box you're referring to is still transparent in a block explorer. Sure, if you buy non-KYC Bitcoin you're sweet. there's plausible deniability on how or when it was acquired.

If you use Monero, the black box in the middle isn't transparent. so they can't connect the beginning and final transaction.

Almost everyday I'm watching them shadow ban Monero. EU banning anon wallets, Google flagging monero wallets as dangerous.

They can't flat out ban Monero as it would only attract more users. Monero is #1 underground currency.

Google just added blockchain surveillance for Bitcoin & altcoins. The cabal (j's) are coming for privacy in 2024, they need to launch CBDC soon before too many people wake up, probably on the back of some crisis so people will adopt it.

IMO, Monero will be around as long as internet stays up/people can still route around the dystopian surveillance grid

The way I understand it (& I'm no expert). You can Coinjoin all you want, but if the final destination links to you in anyway - IP address, name, address, browser, operating system, patterns etc. all the Coinjoin is useless because government blockchain analysis can connect the dots (for e.g). If you Coinjoin plus Lightning or Coinjoin plus Monero, it's much harder to connect start to finish. Unless you've bought or acquired your BTC P2P without KYC, then it's exponentially harder to track. Most people screwed this up though.

In summary, Coinjoin is only good in one direction, unless you have bought non-KYC BTC.

yes, but this is not new. they extort money with the threat of violence on a daily basis.

criminal cabal control the world, lines drawn between countries have been put there to divide us, to prevent unity & uprising. it's all a scam.

stop complying with criminals because it's the right thing to do. all they do is lie and deceive.

if you're feeding the system at all right now, you're part of the problem.

good to see bitcoin is pumping though - lots of money exiting the fiat ponzi. people are starting to figure it out.

Blackrock does not control the Bitcoin network.

However it has been infiltrated to some degree, the tentacles of the parasite elite stretch far and wide.

By the looks of it, a lot of miners, exchanges, wallets etc have been bought up by big tech.

They are constantly attempting to lead Bitcoin towards the NWO agenda, however the sovereign Bitcoiners who run their own node, hold the keys, privacy best practice etc are holding the fort.

They have also infiltrated the culture a bit. Hodl to get rich is fiat mentality.

To me, Bitcoin is still a tool for freedom & life raft for economic collapse, however the privacy by default is severely lacking (and we know most people are too lazy to acquire it). This may have been another thing that was infilitrated because Satoshi was clearly an anarchist cypher punk.  There's no freedom without privacy and that's why I'm personally supplementing Bitcoin with Monero.

What defines a bad user though? and can you trust a central point of authority to enforce what is moral or immoral?

I would say a lot of the "bad users" you're referring to aren't actually that bad. The only thing that is truly immoral is harming another. The law will say otherwise, because the system protects the worst kind of criminals, who perpetrate war crimes, sex trafficking of minors, ritualistic blood sacrifice, terrorism,  - to name a few. They've just changed the wording of their crimes and brainwashed society to believe it. The ones who run this world are doing the worst crimes and that's why people like Assange are locked up. Those who speak truth are silenced. killed, imprisioned, "suicided".

A lot of the privacy activists have their morals intact. I wouldn't allow law enforcement or blockchain experts to tell me what is moral. most blockchain experts are scammers and law enforcement - well if you've been paying attention, they would beat people to the ground during the plandemic if you didn't wear a mask, for a virus that's never been proven to exist. they coerced a vaccination that's killed millions & that is just the tip of the iceberg. The police clearly work for the politicians, they don't represent the people. If you actually take the time to think, you'll realize everything single thing in this system is immoral. There is no law.