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601  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SPR] SpreadCoin | True Decentralization (No Pools) on: January 10, 2015, 12:00:06 AM
I don't know if this is still happening but there is still spots left! Quick, get in before it's too late! Smiley

http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2knolx/spreadcoin_giveaway/

That's an OLD thread.  I just created a new one with a 10 SPR giveaway.  Please upvote: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2rwvm1/spreadcoin_information_and_giveaway/
602  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SPR] SpreadCoin | True Decentralization (No Pools) on: January 09, 2015, 05:06:14 AM
It seems some Darkcoiners are upset that we're badmouthing them.  I haven't seen it in this thread, but I have pretty thick skin and sometimes miss such things.  If you have been, please stop, there's no need to and doesn't help the cause.  This of course doesn't mean you can't discuss what you feel Darkcoin is doing wrong or SPR can do better/different.

Examples:

"Darkcoin is a shitcoin" - Bad
"Darkcoiners are idiots" - Bad
"Due to reference nodes, Darkcoin is centralized.  Spreadcoin can improve upon that."  - Good
"MyFarm is one sexy bitch" - Good
603  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SPR] SpreadCoin | True Decentralization (No Pools) on: January 09, 2015, 02:59:16 AM
Mr. Spread, have you thought about percentage of block reward that will go to masternode owners and percentage that will go to miners?
604  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SPR] SpreadCoin | True Decentralization (No Pools) on: January 09, 2015, 02:56:59 AM
I'm curious how many Darkcoin masternode owners have realized that they will be able to run a Spreadcoin masternode on the same VPS instance and increase their monthly ROI because of it.  The smart ones are starting to stock up on SPR now at cheap prices.  It makes little sense not to run both.

With that said, you SPR investors that haven't bought 1000 DRK?  It's not a bad idea at these prices IMO.
605  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SPR] SpreadCoin | True Decentralization (No Pools) on: January 08, 2015, 09:52:47 PM
For masternodes, instead of a simple, "You need X SPR to be on the list" and if someone beats you by 1, you're kicked off... what is there was a ranking algorithm.  Variables:

1.  How much SPR you have in the masternode.
2.  If your masternode is in a country with less than X% of masternodes, +Y
3.  If your masternode is at an ISP with less than A% of masternodes, +Z
4.  Other variables that help secure the network.

Those are obviously simplified.

Your masternode is then scored based upon these variables and you can see where you are on the list.  If you're on the bottom of the score list, better change something!  Or if you want a new masternode but have less SPR than a lot of people, simply get hosting in a country at an ISP nobody else has.

Darkcoin has a shitload of VPS masternodes at just a few ISPs in just a few countries.  Not good for the network.
With this, the amount of SPR in the masternode could be weighted much less in the algorithm compared to having a unique country/ISP since those are such important variables for network security.  So the people that want variable pricing are happy though it won't affect the score as much and the people who want a decentralized, secure network are happy.
606  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SPR] SpreadCoin | True Decentralization (No Pools) on: January 08, 2015, 09:35:15 PM
For masternodes, instead of a simple, "You need X SPR to be on the list" and if someone beats you by 1, you're kicked off... what is there was a ranking algorithm.  Variables:

1.  How much SPR you have in the masternode.
2.  If your masternode is in a country with less than X% of masternodes, +Y
3.  If your masternode is at an ISP with less than A% of masternodes, +Z
4.  Other variables that help secure the network.

Those are obviously simplified.

Your masternode is then scored based upon these variables and you can see where you are on the list.  If you're on the bottom of the score list, better change something!  Or if you want a new masternode but have less SPR than a lot of people, simply get hosting in a country at an ISP nobody else has.

Darkcoin has a shitload of VPS masternodes at just a few ISPs in just a few countries.  Not good for the network.
607  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SPR] SpreadCoin | True Decentralization (No Pools) on: January 08, 2015, 09:30:14 PM
This is so brilliant, I am going to create a few animations soon to show what will potentially happen, and what the different scenarios are.

If the numbers are correct and logical, I'll tip you for that.
608  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SPR] SpreadCoin | True Decentralization (No Pools) on: January 08, 2015, 08:20:56 PM
Some Darkcoiners were kind enough to engage me in a debate about the dynamic market pricing of Spread Masternodes.  While I was initially sold on the idea, they did bring up some good points and now I'm not quite so sold.  I tried to play devils advocate and counter their arguments, but I did actually agree with some of them.  Mr. Spread, you may want to read the debate starting here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.78200 before making your final decision.  

I saw nothing there to persuade me that static master nodes are better than dynamic matter nodes. I think we will just have to see for ourselves how well this works out in a live environment and stop all this hypothetical 'if-then' stuff.
JL

I'm certainly not against it, just not 100% for it anymore.  I just wanted Mr. Spread to take the other insight into account before he makes his decision.  Whatever decision he goes with, I'll support at that point.
609  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SPR] SpreadCoin | True Decentralization (No Pools) on: January 08, 2015, 07:46:44 PM
Some Darkcoiners were kind enough to engage me in a debate about the market pricing of Spread Masternodes.  While I was initially sold on the idea, they did bring up some good points and now I'm not quite so sold.  I tried to play devils advocate and counter their arguments, but I did actually agree with some of them.  Mr. Spread, you may want to read the debate starting here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.78200 before making your final decision. 
Even if they have some points I personally like the fact that SPR will be different from DRK in more ways. I think SPR will be more valuable if it will be something different and not just DRK with solo mining. So let the history chooses which approach is right.

I agree SPR should be different but different in the right ways.  Darkcoin currently has reference nodes which means masternodes are very centralized.  If Mr. Spread can have truly decentralized masternodes while still having the 1000 SPR for a masternode remain static, SPR will still be different.  And just as importantly, BETTER.
610  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SPR] SpreadCoin | True Decentralization (No Pools) on: January 08, 2015, 07:18:56 PM
Some Darkcoiners were kind enough to engage me in a debate about the dynamic market pricing of Spread Masternodes.  While I was initially sold on the idea, they did bring up some good points and now I'm not quite so sold.  I tried to play devils advocate and counter their arguments, but I did actually agree with some of them.  Mr. Spread, you may want to read the debate starting here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.78200 before making your final decision.  
611  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] Darkcoin | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW and Darksend | Instant TX on: January 08, 2015, 03:46:27 PM


I thought the reward you're getting depending on the number of masternodes already took care of all that.

@MyFarm

You may know my view on SPR: it is a clone of DRK and so any work done for SPR can be used by DRK.  It is behind DRK, has fewer devs, well one actually, and is basically a project I suggested 7 months ago - A second tier mainnet R&D project for DRK, something that won't have value because it is not the brand leader.

Solo mining is attractive, but really? Is that it?

I have found some problems that will be encountered when masternodes get introduced and while you called them FUD, they were sufficiently significant issues for me to keep away.

But hey, its crypto. best of luck; and just a friendly reminder - this is the DRK thread.

I know your view was wanting to buy 5 figures of the coin from me Wink

I know what thread I'm in, but thanks.  The only reason I'm discussing this here is because people are discussing a proposed feature in a, "second tier mainnet project" coin that MAY be better than what DRK has implemented (I don't know for sure yet, thus the discussion).  Yes, I have a little BTC into Spreadcoin, but I have a hell of a lot more in DRK.  If you think I'm not loyal to DRK and working to ensure that it is successful, you're kidding yourself.  It is vitally important that this community remain open to discussion of ways Darkcoin will need to adapt in the coming years instead of getting defensive and saying, "Don't discuss that here, it's about another coin".  If discussing features of another coin that may impact (and potentially improve) DRK causes duress amongst the community, then this is not a strong community.
612  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] Darkcoin | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW and Darksend | Instant TX on: January 08, 2015, 03:18:06 PM
[...]Spreadcoin [...] the number of coins required for a masternode be determined by market forces: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=715435.msg10076444#msg10076444

I think the idea itself is brilliant (hey, I LOVE self-regulating systems), but it's not a good idea for Darkcoin.

Right now, an institution (Government, some billionaire, some agency) can buy whatever they want number of Masternodes and there are still "free" Masternodes owned by you and me to secure the anonymity.

If driven by market-force, they could buy-out EVERYONE else and get 100% control.
The variable you're forgetting here is the desire of Darkcoin holders to make a profit.  Both Spreadcoin and Darkcoin are at the mercy of the almighty deep pocket government agency as the more the price of the coin goes up, the greater temptation to sell your masternode coins.  Everyone has a price.
613  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] Darkcoin | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW and Darksend | Instant TX on: January 08, 2015, 07:05:59 AM

It looks like they're going to have the number of coins required for a masternode be determined by market forces....Is this a good or bad idea?

I know it sounds a bit tribal and predictable to criticise that approach in the DRK thread - diversity is always interesting - but I can think of a few problems with it.

For a start, it doesn't make for a very attractive investment proposition if your ROI is completely undeterminable like that. Think about it - you sit and do the calculations of whether it's worth it to invest in a masternode at current prices and you decide that you'll be in 'profit' in say 6 months, so you go and purchase $1500 worth of coin or whatever it is.

But then just a week after setting up your masternode, learning Linux, pissing about with permissions, node hardening, hosting services etc, your masternode gets kicked offline because somebody came along with more money than you.

How would you feel about that ?

If wanted to design a 'cryptocoin-mechanism' for generating ill will amongst masternode holders, anxiety, mean-spiritidness and competitive rather than co-operative spirit, you couldn't do much better than with this approach. No-one would want to help each other with technical stuff because there'd such a strong financial incentive to inhibit any new masternode holders.

On the other hand, look at how the Darkcoin network has evolved - there is a huge amount of co-operation and mutual support. There is predictable ROI - you pay your money and your node's secure for as long as you've got your 1000 DRK parked. The devs tweak the network parameters, not some bunch of baying wolf, tongues dangling on the floor investors who haven't a clue how to decide what number of masternodes is healthy for the network.

You make a strong argument but I believe you are incorrect.  I own both Darkcoin and Spreadcoin and understand what you are saying about fierce competition for masternodes with Spreadcoin but I love it and here's why.

I am going to support my Spreadcoin masternode, "Competitors" like there's no tomorrow.  Why?  Because I am a huge supported or decentralization of currency and the free market. If the cost for a Spread Masternode goes from 100 to 500 over the course of the week, that's great because it means the price SPR has gone up as well because of that competition.  If it goes from 500 to 2000?  You're going to see some people selling a lot of SPR to buy a house.  And what will that do?  Reduce the price of masternodes and SPR because people will be cashing out.  The unit cost for a masternode then goes down to 600.  People buy because hey, it's a bargain.  Rinse, repeat, through natural cycles creating liquidity along the way.  At some point in the distant future, I believe this will lead to much greater long term price stability as it is a price the market has determined through quantification of countless variables.

Evan choosing 1,000 is like the Federal Reserve setting interest rates.  In my opinion, the market should decide.
614  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SPR] SpreadCoin | True Decentralization (No Pools) on: January 08, 2015, 05:34:24 AM
Are we ATH yet?
Yes.  Old ATH was just shy of .0005
615  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SPR] SpreadCoin | True Decentralization (No Pools) on: January 08, 2015, 05:31:31 AM
Some dedicated sellers there for a minute.  Hahah.

Looks like I'm going to need to put up some additional bounties to Spread the love.

Speaking of which, the guy who did the mining chart.  I need your address.
616  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SPR] SpreadCoin | True Decentralization (No Pools) on: January 08, 2015, 05:11:34 AM
Whoever thought that size was going to deter me, you have no idea who you're trading against.

When I find a developer I like, watch the fuck out.
617  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SPR] SpreadCoin | True Decentralization (No Pools) on: January 08, 2015, 04:57:49 AM
If we haven't hit a new all-time high within 30 minutes of this post, I'm taking us there.  I'm giving you guys the opportunity to buy the SPR first.

Seven minutes...

Don't anyone say I didn't try to be nice to you guys.
618  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SPR] SpreadCoin | True Decentralization (No Pools) on: January 08, 2015, 04:54:50 AM
holy cow.... that wall was eaten immediately  Shocked

Code:
01/07/2015 09:49:22 PM	BUY    0.00049665	14933.98277698	7.41696254

Someone thinking they could scare me off I think.   Roll Eyes
619  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SPR] SpreadCoin | True Decentralization (No Pools) on: January 08, 2015, 04:50:17 AM
If we haven't hit a new all-time high within 30 minutes of this post, I'm taking us there.  I'm giving you guys the opportunity to buy the SPR first.

Seven minutes...
620  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SPR] SpreadCoin | True Decentralization (No Pools) on: January 08, 2015, 04:32:39 AM
Guys i don't mean to ruin your party but wouldn't NOT setting a limit for SPR to have a masternodes be a detriment to the network?

I mean with DRK coin masternodes are easy, you have 1000 coins and you have a masternode, combined with everyone you have a total of say 1500-2000 masternodes on the whole network. With SPR's solution you may have waaaaay less masternodes say if you require 2500+ SPR to be on the masternode list. So what i'm saying is wouldn't there more likely be less masternodes therefore less decentralisation?

I guess there could be a hard limit on minimum and maximum number of masternodes to avoid this?

Please advise if i am way off.

If we start at 1SPR min and 100,000SPR max over time MN owners would increase there masternode balance to be more competitive. So say 100,000 people put up 100,000 masternodes, with 1 SPR per masternode. If 50% of those owners put another 1SPR in their MN balance the network would kick the MN's only holding 1SPR, reducing decentralization to only 50,000 MN. That's not really a bad thing as 50,000 MN remain. Also this coin is quite hard (will become) even harder to accumulate. It has extremely good distribution, lowering the chance of centralization.
Large holders will now see huge ROI and will slowly dump over time, again reducing centralization.

I doubt one person would try to dominate a system which is reliant on decentralization. Althogh how many MN count as  decentralized is subjective.

Unless I am understanding incorrectly, there will be a cap on the number of masternodes.  So there would never be 100,000 masternodes.
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