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1  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Isle Of Man - shifting stance on Bitcoin FinTech on: September 18, 2014, 12:17:05 PM
This suggests a passive allowance status, i.e. "it's not forbidden." More inviting would be an active allowance from a statute or court ruling. It's still good news, but we should make the distinction.
2  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bangladesh Central Bank: Cryptocurrency Use is a ‘Punishable Offense’ on: September 18, 2014, 12:15:20 PM
This is sad.... Bolivia, Ecuador and now Bangladesh, some of the poorest nations in the world, so unfair to it's people!  Embarrassed Make something to yourself become just a bit harder  Embarrassed
3  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Isle of Man and Bitcoin? on: September 18, 2014, 12:13:55 PM
Wow, they are serious. I do hope this gets traction. The UK banks are hostile to bitcoin. This could be good.
4  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bangladesh says Bitcoin users could be jailed for up to 12 years on: September 18, 2014, 12:11:09 PM
This is something I am painfully aware. We like bitcoin, and we use them, and expect them to take over the world (or so we hope). But the side effect of this would be to take away the power of governments to print money. Many people like this. Printing money has always been used (also) to fund wars. You take this away, and wars will be harder and smaller. More like the middle ages wars, were a war was not a global nation effort. Although of course technology is also responsible for the global nature of war. So if bitcoin takes away some power from the us or russia or china... Well that's ok.

But printing money is generally a tax, and it is a tax that hits especially the people who hoard the money, and do not put it to any use. If your money is invested, and there is inflation, you will likely get your money back. But keep it under the mattrass and it will lower its value. And where has this value gone? In a sense it has gone to the government that printed the money.

It is easy to say that the money printed has not been put at good use. But if you just look at the difference between countries with double digit inflation and failed states you will notice that failed states do not have a working government. There are warlords. Rape and violence are rampant, double digit inflation are terrible places to be, but are better than failed states, as somehow are still working.

So, as I am worried for Italy that with the Euro has lost the power to print money to get out of debt, so I think that bitcoin is great.... but might force governments to be good administrators of their digital gold. And politicians (elected or otherwise) statistically are NOT good administrators. So I am worried, and I understand Bangladesh.
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [BCN] Bytecoin. Secure, private, untraceable since 2012 on: September 18, 2014, 12:02:50 PM
Hey guys. I was thinking about BCN promotion and PR a little bit these days. I think Bytecoin need some bright event connected with it and it doesn't even matter would it be positive or negative. We're living in the world where so many thing happen and we cant pay attention to each of them so we take a look just to the brightest and  most rememberable ones, those which make some resonanse.

All of you heard that story with celebs nude icloud photos leaked. As I know there's no proof of this happened because of icloud, but still millions of people started think that this apple service is not so secure and their data isn't in 100% safety.

So my point is that BCN needs that kind of resonant story, which would prove its' total security and anonymity and make it thousands times more often mentioned than other altcoins. Again, doesn't matter positive or negative story (I mean connected with drugs-story like Silk Road or something positive).

Since the dev team is in the shadow we hardly can discuss their strategy. But I hope they have some pr-section.
6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [BCN] Bytecoin. Secure, private, untraceable since 2012 on: September 14, 2014, 11:54:12 AM


TO SUM UP:

Part 1 - Mysteries and Puzzles Behind the CryptoNote Technology (1/3)
Some general info about CN technology and BCN and the team

Part 2 - Mining Groups in the Blockchain (Part 2 of 3)
About groups who have been mining BCN since the beginning

Part 3 - Keeping it Quiet – CryptoNote Special Conclusion (Part 3 of 3)
Article about future vision in brief.

Really interesting article. The mysteries and puzzles behind CryptoNote and Bytecoin are fascinating. There really are so many unanswered questions regarding Cryptonote and Bytecoin. Other than the technology itself, this is what Bytecoin is all about.
7  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin could pose threat to financial stability of UK, warns Bank of England on: September 14, 2014, 11:46:29 AM
Bitcoin could pose a threat to financial stability of the bank of england, move your money out quick
8  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Community Reaction to Apple Pay Integration on: September 14, 2014, 11:44:37 AM
Apple has now become another gate keeper in online payments. Only apps can use it for online purchases, and only the apps Apple allows will be available to their users. You would be far more restricted now than you were before you started using it.
9  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin promoter to face five years in prison for conspiring to sell Bitcoin on: September 14, 2014, 11:43:06 AM
He did not really conspire to launder, but with so little requirements on such a site, it was bound to happen, maybe he was actually ignorant to this?
10  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin Taking Woman to Mars? on: September 13, 2014, 09:03:48 PM
She's not confirmed as going. She just wants money from idiots.
11  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: satoshin@gmx.com is compromised on: September 13, 2014, 09:01:17 PM
"The email said: Quote from: satoshin@gmx.com Michael, send me some coins before I hitman you." Not the fbi then?

Why wouldn't the hacker though - presuming it was hacked - not use it to profit by say falsely telling a reporter he was to sell the million coins after having shorted btc everywhere instead of making a death threat??
12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Blowing the lid off the CryptoNote/Bytecoin scam (with the exception of Monero) on: August 22, 2014, 11:25:15 AM
I have carefully read this publication several times and, you know, I’ve got the impression that someone is trying hard to impose upon us his point of view. Someone wants us to think in a certain way.     
   
 I’ve tried to look at the whole situation as a bystander and posted below there are conclusions I’ve come to: 

1. It's obvious that someone is trying to discredit the CryptoNote technology along with all the CN-based coins.

CryptoNote team has published official statement yesterday https://cryptonote.org/news/archive

Quote
Greetings to all the members of the CryptoNote community and those who are interested in the technology. This message is our response to the recent developments and speculations within the CN community. Before we get to the point we’d like to reassert our firm commitment to the long-standing philosophy behind CryptoNote. Everything we do is for the sake of technology, and we take great joy as we progress towards our goal.

The initial efforts at CryptoNote development go back as far as 4 years. Some great minds were involved in its creation. More than two years ago the first implementations of CN technology were unleashed on the world of cryptocurrencies and from that moment forward the community that was forged around our vision and values grew exponentially.

What is currently going on within the CN community hardly resembles the harmonious state of mutual respect and synergy that once ruled over the CN coins. Someone clearly is instigating hostility. Moreover, the CryptoNote website has recently been exposed to illegal access by malicious users, which is absolutely unacceptable. Some data stored on cryptonote.org have been vandalized and is now temporary unavailable until the internal investigation is completed.

Having thoroughly reviewed the situation around certain CN currencies, the CryptoNote team would like to issue the following statement:

• It is the official position of CryptoNote that our technology has been created to bring positive changes into the current financial system by providing tools that have never existed before. The technology is what concerns us the most. We are not to be distracted or misled by the speculative rumors and strongly suggest you to follow suit.

• CryptoNote is not a cryptocurrency and has not been designed to be one. The only CryptoNote currency that the CryptoNote team officially endorses is CryptoNoteCoin, which has zero commercial value and serves educational purposes only.

• We consider all the name-calling and finger-pointing that has taken place on certain internet discussions as inappropriate and harmful to further development of the CryptoNote technology.
Over the years CryptoNote has had to overcome a great number of obstacles but those striving so desperately to deter the advance of new technologies are doomed to fail. We are strong believers in the power of innovation and there is no way to stop the CN development.
Discussion thread: https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=265&p=883#p883

Do you see this bold text? Think about it.

2. Someone tries to cause distrust and enmity between Monero and other CN-coins. "Divide et impera" is an old maxim.
 "with the exception of Monero" in the subject of this tread proves it better than everything else.

The question is: who is that "someone"? I have some thoughts on topic, but I don't want to publish them until I have enough evidence.




Seems to me that someone’s blowing his gaskets trying to smear the CN tech up and down.  Hexah deserves some credit on this one, even Monero has gotten its share of the shit pie here. Making it look like a pinnacle of the CN technology ready to take on Bitcoin is just outright ridiculous.

It all smells like the competition is playing out its tricky scheme on us. I don’t want to engage in the finger-pointing here (enough has been done so far) but isn’t it like Darkcoin hates us all. Those guys have never been particularly picky about their methods.
Shall we do some ass-kicking on their thread in retaliation?      

13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Blowing the lid off the CryptoNote/Bytecoin scam (with the exception of Monero) on: August 18, 2014, 03:20:36 AM
I was impressed by the amount of work you've put to compile everything in one place. While checking your claims regarding CryptoNote whitepaper, I noticed the same XMP timestamps and other evidence that you posted.

However, there is one thing that you did not check-out when I tried to repeat your experimentVan Saberhagen's public key on CryptoNote website cannot be used to validite the PDF. While checking, I got this message:


Some new surprising information was found on Bytecoin's website. It hosts a very similar whitepaper v.2, which turns out to be different if you study it carefully. What's more, van Saberhagen's public key matches on CryptoNote and Bytecoin websites. It seems that Bytecoin may hold a genuine Saberhagen whitepaper as it can be verified with the published public key - however since his identity remains unknown, we can only speculate.

I then decided to continue with experiment by comparing the paper found on Bytecoin with the one CryptoNote's website. For easier references I'll call them bcn-whitepaper and cn-whitepaper. The bcn-whitepaper will always goes first on the pictures unless explicitly stated otherwise.

When opening the bcn-whitepaper we can see the article structure.


Which is not the case for cn-whitepaper.


Opening the PDF we notice the valid signature inside:


The signature date on bcn-whitepaper is almost the same as on cn-whitepaper but slightly differs in size. This by itself, points that further discrepancies may exist between the two whitepapers. I decided to continue my investigation by studying the signature details (bcn - to the left, cn - to the right):



Everything looks quite the same with the exception of the SHA and MD5 fingerprints. Moving on to the XMP properties, we can see that they are also different.




Bcn-whitepaper holds perfectly clear signatures. The CreateDate is 2013 as it should be. The pdfTeX version x.x.13 also existed. There is totally nothing strange about these tags. Unlike the whitepaper from CryptoNote website that was studied before.

Apparently, Bytecoin's whitepaper is quite consistent in terms of timelines.

The remaining question is which whitepaper may have been the genuine one.

I would assume that having exactly the same van Saberhagen's public keys posted on both websites, it would not be unlikely that it really belongs to Saberhagen - particularly since both keys validate the bcn-whitepaper.

Also, upon a careful examination of Bytecoin's whitepaper I found a watermark, which is usually hard to identify. Here it is in the whitepaper (just after the Appendix):


Most may be unable to see it because it is non-selectable, can't be copied and is transparent. You might be able to see it as a small highlighted field (e.g. if you open it with Chrome).


It turns out that the watermark appears in the tooltip for that field. Here is the tooltip's content:


This is a PGP key perfectly matching public van Saberhagen's key published on both websites.


Hence, there is a PGP signature hidden in the Bytecoin's whitepaper, but there is no such watermark in the one found on CryptoNote's website.

Are these 2 documents anyhow different apart from that? I've checked with adobe document compare tools, and it seems that they're either complete copies, or have very minor indistinguishable differences like the following three. These formulas appear to be the same, but not to the compare tool:




My Conclusions

1. It is very likely the Bytecoin website hosts the genuine whitepaper.

2. The whitepaper published on CryptoNote's website may be a forgery. There is no PGP watermark and the author's PGP public key can't be used to validate the whitepaper.

3. Someone has duplicated the genuine whitepaper line by line for them to look the same - but failed at capturing some of its hidden elements.

4. Now let's move to whitepaper v.1 on CN website. As there is no signature to validate this whitepaper, the only relevant test is watermark. If it's inside, then the asumption on CryptoNote's conspiracy may hold. However, whitepaper v.1 doesn't have this watermark.

5. The problems with latex compilator problems, XMP meta tags, and invalid links may point to a forgery attempt, not van Saberhagen's actual activity.


Unclear questions for further research

1) What and why did we find two strange whitepapers on the CryptoNote website? A number of options may be valid. I assume it could be a mistake, a social engineering trap, hacked website or someone's attempt to discredit the technology? Who knows.

I'll point CryptoNote that they may have a wrong whitepaper. Maybe they will care to comment or take actions.
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [FCN] Fantomcoin. CN based, anonymous. Merge mine with BCN, XMR, QCN, duck. on: August 01, 2014, 03:52:17 PM
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15  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [FCN] Fantomcoin. CN based, anonymous. Merge mine with BCN, XMR, QCN, duck. on: July 14, 2014, 11:03:25 AM
Hi fellas!

While new marketing campaign is in development I'd like you to play a little game. Grin

Name the winner of the FIFA 2014 World Cup and receive 201.4 FCN! (In case of multiple winners the first one to name it receives the reward)

This will be also posted in twitter - so spread the soccer love. Smiley

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Here is our winner! Send me your FCN address to receive a reward. Smiley

Fantomcoin devs are buying BBR and XMR. You know what it means.

Care to present a proof? Smiley
16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: July 10, 2014, 06:41:57 PM
Would be great to see a similar comparison for Monero vs Boolberry if someone is up for it.

I have a dream: BBR and XMR devs become one team

bonero

Moonberry?

Marsberry?
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [FCN] Fantomcoin. CN based, anonymous. Merge mine with BCN, XMR, QCN, duck. on: July 10, 2014, 03:15:05 PM
On the Fantomcoin web site, it says "or open-source miner by Wolf" and then links to Lucas' github. Wut?

Lol.

My apologies, asked Amphibian to fix this.

It's fixed now. Smiley
18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [FCN] Fantomcoin. CN based, anonymous. Merge mine with BCN, XMR, QCN, duck. on: July 10, 2014, 10:10:37 AM
On the Fantomcoin web site, it says "or open-source miner by Wolf" and then links to Lucas' github. Wut?

Lol.

My apologies, asked Amphibian to fix this.
19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [FCN] Fantomcoin. CN based, anonymous. Merge mine with BCN, XMR, QCN, duck. on: July 04, 2014, 12:11:26 PM
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20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [FCN] Fantomcoin. CN based, anonymous. Merge mine with BCN, XMR, QCN, duck. on: July 03, 2014, 04:17:00 PM
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