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61  Economy / Services / Re: [WTS] To signature advertisement buyers: Signature Design 0.025/0.04 BTC. on: February 07, 2014, 01:28:10 PM
These are some Amazing signatures. I'd like to commission one for purse.io
62  Economy / Services / Re: Will buy anything you want with CC for Coinbase rate. Only $0.15 fee! on: February 07, 2014, 01:15:34 PM
I don't see any orders at all.

They tend to get picked off pretty quickly, but we are working on a huge update that will hopefully dramatically increase the availability of orders.
63  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Purse.io - Simple proxy buying marketplace for Amazon - get 6% off on: January 21, 2014, 09:13:46 PM

No HTTPS/SSL during registration, really?!?!?!?! I see that sign-up info is passed in the clear with no security....

Also, I see that the 'activation' link is passed without HTTPS and your link in that email https://purse.io is dead/non-functioning

I like the site and the idea, but you need to address basic, VERY BASIC security.

If the sign up process is this fundamentally flawed then I can only imagine how flawed your security of consumer data & bitcoins is/are......

Looking forward to your response & insight into how you(r)/company addresses security and not just ignoring this question.

We have just received the SSL certificate from Comodo and currently modifying the code/config to work with it. SSL was somewhat neglected due to name change (from getbspendb) and a email forwarding issue. All traffic will go through SSL soon enough.

SSL has been added. Purse.IO can now be securely accessed at https://purse.io. If it is still taking you to the http site, it may mean a browser cache removal is needed.
64  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Purse.io - Simple proxy buying marketplace for Amazon - get 6% off on: January 21, 2014, 11:53:43 AM

No HTTPS/SSL during registration, really?!?!?!?! I see that sign-up info is passed in the clear with no security....

Also, I see that the 'activation' link is passed without HTTPS and your link in that email https://purse.io is dead/non-functioning

I like the site and the idea, but you need to address basic, VERY BASIC security.

If the sign up process is this fundamentally flawed then I can only imagine how flawed your security of consumer data & bitcoins is/are......

Looking forward to your response & insight into how you(r)/company addresses security and not just ignoring this question.

We have just received the SSL certificate from Comodo and currently modifying the code/config to work with it. SSL was somewhat neglected due to name change (from getbspendb) and a email forwarding issue. All traffic will go through SSL soon enough.
65  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Had a gun pointed at me during a trade. Here is the full story on: January 12, 2014, 05:38:43 PM
This is a first for BTC.
66  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin's 10000 TH network is extremely vulnerable on: January 10, 2014, 07:45:10 AM
Here's a game theory conclusion as to why logical entities wouldn't invest in 51% attack to do it.

Even if a 51% attack automatically "destroys" Bitcoin, people would just jump to a diverse group of cryptocurrencies. It would be a wackamole game for the attacker. Everytime an altcoin is taken down, the attacker loses some money, while the coinfolks are net neutral. The attacker, expecting this, would best not play that game in the first place.

Of course a successful attack on all crypto-coins is possible using more creative means.
67  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Purse.io - Simple proxy buying marketplace for Amazon - get 6% off on: January 10, 2014, 06:12:52 AM
I am still not clear because in the explanation video I could see "Notice a part of the balance is now reserved as "Outgoing". This number will move with the BTC exchange rate, so be sure to have some extra in our account to accommodate volatility"



So my question before was due to a misunderstanding. It is not the buyer who assume the BTC/usd changes but the spender. Is this correct? Sorry for the questions but I am still a little confused. Perhaps is simpler than I see it. Is the spender assuming this volatility all the way until he/she receive the packet and mark it as received? I guess no but, why that indication in the video?

But the buyer will always consider volatility otherwise: The "buyer then purchases the products in the wishlist" with fiat at the price set at the moment the spender made the purchase (as you said, that is fixed). I am guessing buyer will only do so when there is an appreciation in the BTC price and this will result in many spenders purchase not being realized, would this be a possible outcome?
I wasn't clear before. There would be key points in time:
1. Spender places the order and the is asked to deposit BTC (ideally, a bit more than quoted price to accommodate fluctuations)
2. Buyer accepts the order and buys it from Amazon. At this point, the rate/amount is locked at exactly what the outgoing quantity shows.
3. Spender confirms shipment and the BTC moves from Spender to Buyer.
So, spender assumes exchange risk before the buyer buys the item, and buyer receives BTC at the rate he agreed to in step 2, won't have access to it until step 3 (usually 2 days later). It's similar to coinbase in that sense for the btc buyer, except he'd get it faster.

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Could you also explain on the tax part of the price. Isn't it that already included in Amazon selling price? Sorry again because perhaps I do not know how it works. When I buy in amazon the price I pay is the one offered in the website. In the Amazon website for your example is 26.99 usd and the price after discount is 27.27 usd. Again, sorry because I may not be seeing something and that is way I came to this conclusion.
Amazon charges tax for certain states, listed here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=468512

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I would be spender myself but this could really spread fast here. I see great growth for your start up here in China where bitcoin is not accepted as a currency so purchases in btc are not allowed (other problem is that it seems BTC are more seen as long/short term investments rather than as currency). This is a good way to go over it! Problem still will be blocking the site by the government as it happens with many sites as youtube and I am seeing also many btc related places being blocked. I use vpn but many people do not have.
Yes I agree with everything, although we'd be flattered if China actually blocks Purse.IO. I spoke with several Chinese folks recently to ask about taobao, but apparently taobao doesn't have a wishlist. They said Amazon is #2 in China, so it'll definitely be a market to expand to soon. However, we're working on a few features that will make the service more attractive along with an affiliate program before expanding internationally.

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In China on-line shopping is incredible popular. Even to buy the daily shopping people use the Internet. You can buy anything and the good thing is that the delivery takes very short time. Some pages even deliver the same day! Do you think there are ways to do the same with other on-line stores that do not have wishlist? Would it be possible to "put" BTC in the middle of purchasing transactions to reduce the price? Merchants are limited for BTC adoption due to regulation but if there would be a way for them to access it via ideas similar to purse.io then this will be a great push to BTC economy.
There are plans to add other stores, but it will come later. I'm unfamiliar with the Chinese e-commerce, so if you know any good sites with Amazon-like wishlists, let me know and we'll try to add it. If you'd send me an email at kent@purse.io, I'll make sure to contact you when localizing the service for the Chinese market.
68  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Purse.io - Simple proxy buying marketplace for Amazon - get 6% off on: January 10, 2014, 02:19:18 AM
mrkent, I think purse.io is a great idea. I would like to use it sometimes, is it possible to buy for spenders in China Amazon? The problem for buyers is the bitcoin price volatility. Until the the spender has not confirmed the package the buyer will not get the bitcoins, assuming gain/losses due to that fluctuation. Is this right? Thanks!

China Amazon isn't currently supported but we do plan to in the future. Do you have a spender in China you're thinking of?

The BTC price rate is set in stone at the time of purchase, not when spender confirms the package.
69  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Best bitcoin twitter accounts to follow? on: January 09, 2014, 07:03:28 PM
What your favorite useful or insightful bitcoin twitter accounts?
70  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Purse.io - Simple proxy buying marketplace for Amazon - get 6% off on: January 08, 2014, 08:49:59 AM
A 2.5 min walk through of how to place orders.
71  Economy / Services / Re: Will buy anything you want with CC for Coinbase rate. Only $0.15 fee! on: January 07, 2014, 04:04:32 PM
Please check out our service at purse.io. It suits someone with your needs perfectly.
72  Economy / Marketplace / Re: I will pay 0.3 BTC for an insurance policy against btc-e on: January 07, 2014, 03:38:38 PM
Although everyone is bashing the OP, I agree that such a service would be highly useful for the bitcoin economy. It's stupid that site owners can just run with everyone's money with almost no warning.

Call Lloyds of London. They insure damn near everything.

I am not an actuarial but know enough about it that for this particular policy (250 BTC payoff on a default of an anonymous third world overseas website) would cost a whole lot more than .3 and given that all have the same risk of default with no offset I don't suspect there will be much interest in providing it.

But we could establish an OTC swaps market on credit default. I think Ripple and Coinbase are working on such capabilities. Then if you wanted to buy a structured CDS on the exchange you could pay whoever was willing to sell it to you. And also willing to put their BTC into escrow in this case, which is the major difference. Insurance companies net take in proceeds each month, they can invest all of it and they do, that is where a lot of their money comes from. They would never put a policy payout amount in escrow before the event.

Yes purely insurance would be difficult to do, but CDS's are definitely viable. Furthermore, reliable/confident companies can in fact sell shares protecting against their own default as a way to earn additional revenue and provide customer confidence.
73  Economy / Marketplace / Re: I will pay 0.3 BTC for an insurance policy against btc-e on: January 07, 2014, 02:57:57 PM
Although everyone is bashing the OP, I agree that such a service would be highly useful for the bitcoin economy. It's stupid that site owners can just run with everyone's money with almost no warning.
74  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [ANN] Open Govt - open source algorithmic government w/ voluntary participation on: January 06, 2014, 11:11:11 PM
The idea of algo gov is interesting, but connection to Markov chains is not clear.

The Markov chains are just a simple model to describe the life cycles of government regimes. We as a society want to stay in the low number states as much as possible.

Love this concept -- how do you handle the idea of the tyranny of the majority in this model?

Tyranny of the majority is handled by simply moving to a different government, creating a new one, being a part of several that serve your interests, or not being a citizen of any.
75  Bitcoin / Project Development / [ANN] Open Govt - open source algorithmic government w/ voluntary participation on: January 06, 2014, 11:47:19 AM
One of the potential applications cryptocurrencies can bring in the future are non-monopolistic, open-source, and largely algorithmic governments. These governments will be transparent, inexpensive to operate, and efficiently serve the interests of its tax payers. This is what I see as a realistic possible scenario for an an-cap society. The reason behind the open-source and algorithmic nature is that new governments must be inexpensive to create, in order to keep the threat of competitors keep dominant governments honest. Otherwise, an anarchist society may evolve into an oligarchy or monopoly as we have today. Bitcoin will be used for voluntary tax revenue in any potential services this startup government can think to provide.

https://github.com/mrkent/open-government
76  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Purse.io - Simple proxy buying marketplace for Amazon - get 6% off on: January 04, 2014, 04:50:50 AM
This is really cool man.
Is there a list of wishlists on the site or do I have to search for specific price points?


The user base is currently relatively small, so new spend orders are often taken up by buyers very fast, resulting in an empty orderbook.
77  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Purse.io - Simple proxy buying marketplace for Amazon - get 6% off on: December 22, 2013, 09:03:21 AM
As an update, we've recently had several successful transactions, but currently, there are no available spend orders. Many customers have been requesting for orders, so expect your order to be purchased very quickly.
78  Economy / Currency exchange / WTB 100 EUR prepaid debit/gift card on: December 21, 2013, 12:06:26 AM
Something like what cryptcard had.
79  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: GBSB - a new way to GET and SPEND bitcoins on: December 16, 2013, 09:27:04 PM
Back in May, I was asked to help start a business that would solve 'the exchange problem' for Bitcoin, and I came up with something very similar to this (in June, in fact!). For legal reasons, the interested parties decided ultimately not to pursue the idea, so I am so glad that you are!

After asking my former partners, I will now share some of the significant differences in our b-models, and why I think you should steal these ideas for yourself and bring them to life!

1] Allowing users to set their own exchange rates (as is done on LocalBitcoins, with option to peg to an exchange's price), offers you many benefits. The largest is that users will automatically adjust your "SAVE 6%" parameter each moment of every day according to changes in both market conditions and the unique preferences of each Buyer/Spender pair. Those wishing to make large purchases, or those desperate to have orders filled quickly, should have the opportunity to offer whichever longshot exchange rate the market will bear. These longshot orders will draw both Buyers and Sellers to your site and increase the desperately-needed liquidity of this marketplace. Setting something at 6% is arbitrary, rigid, almost certainly the wrong number, and most of all completely unnecessary.

2] Charge exactly 1% of the traded volume, because 1 is the smallest number, simple, and easy to remember. Rank users (anonymously) based on how their cumulative total of fees paid (as a reputation/feedback-type system). Save users the trouble of 'buying and selling' objects to themselves to increase this reputation buy just allowing them to purchase reputation directly in the form of a donation to GBSB. Such a costly signal will credibly indicate a user's seriousness to his or her target-counterparties.

3] I feel that there are numerous opportunities to improve communication of your value proposition. We decided to emphasize:
-Purchase Bitcoins ANONYMOUSLY via CREDIT CARD (yes, it's possible)!
-Spend Bitcoins on WHATEVER YOU WANT with COMPLETE PRIVACY!
-Reliability (much harder to close down, or encounter bank trouble (as happened to BitFloor, BitSpend, etc. because you do not move any fiat around).

Currently, your webpage does not discuss these (amazing and monopolistic) benefits, and has that 6% fee information, which will probably confuse and frighten most users into thinking that both Buying and Selling will land them with a (big) 6% fee. I think opportunity for improvement here.

4] None of my partners were lawyers, but according to our research, the business would 'accept Bitcoin from one party and send them to a different party', which would probably classify the business as a 'money transmitter' entailing a world of legal hurt, unless we lived outside the US or ran the site from TOR (ie, illegally). We discussed that another solution would be not to use a website at all, and use simple, open-source software tools once the marketing phase was completed.

5] We had some screenshots on what the user was required to do for their Amazon wishlist, which included a] setting the Wish List Privacy Settings to "shared" (required), and 2] setting the Wish List Profile's address (required), and "Don't spoil my surprises" settings, etc.

6] We had a "How it works" section, one draft looked like this:


1. Placing an Order
   a. Alice is browsing Amazon and wants to buy an 'All-New Kindle Paperwhite'. She checks out the tax and shipping and sees that it there is a free shipping deal, and no tax, so the total USD cost for this will be $119.00.
   b. Alice checks out the Bitcoin price, on NAME and around the internet, which seems to be around 125. However, knowing that NAME offers other advantages to BitBuyers, Alice decides that she'd like to try and pay just 0.9 BTC ($112.50) for the Kindle.
   c. Alice sets up an Amazon Wishlist containing the Kindle (see Setting Up Your Wishlist).
   d. Alice begins to Place an order by submitting the following information:
      1. USD Value: 119.00
      2. BTC Value: 0.9
      3. Amazon Wishlist: Link: http://amzn.com/w/Qzzz
      4. Requirements: None
   e. Alice pays (1.01 * 0.9) = .909 BTC to an address we provide, thus Placing the order.
2. Claiming an Order
   a. Bob is browsing NAME, desiring to buy about $100 worth of Bitcoin.
   b. Bob sees Alice's order for .9 BTC at a USD cost of $119, implying a rate of 132.2 USD/BTC.
   c. Bob finds the rate and amount acceptable, so he Claims the order.
3. Filling an Order
   a. Having Claimed an order, the clock is running for both Bob and Alice. Bob now purchases the contents of the Amazon wishlist using his own credit card/paypal/M-PESA/whatever, and has them shipped to Alice. Notice that Bob can do this without knowing Alice's address, and Alice recieves the Gift without knowing anything about Bob at all.
   b. Upon receiving the contents of her wishlist, Alice leaves positive feedback for Bob.
   c. Bob leaves positive feedback for Alice, and the funds are released to Bob the same day.

With the transaction complete and both feedbacks entered, the feedbacks become visible on the site for people to use in assessing users.

If something goes wrong, instead of leaving positive feedback, either Alice or Bob flags the transaction for moderation.

7] We also had a Who Knows What table/infographic that had rows "BitBuyer","BitSpender","NAME","Merchant", and columns "That the transaction involves Bitcoin","BitSpender's name/shipping-address","BitBuyer's name/credit-card-information", with appropriate green checks and red X's.

8] Since you sort of need to trust GBSB with holding your Coin until the order is fulfilled, we thought about doing random promotions, where anyone with an open order could win a prize.

9] 4th of July Freedom party and what have you.


Anyways, that's all I can remember for now, I had all kinds of ideas for stopping competitors and expanding globally, but I can't quite remember them in detail. It was a long time ago.

Good luck!! I can't wait to try it!

WOW! You are amazing sir. Here's the main announcement thread, and it's ready to be used immediately: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=307922.20

I have considered a lot of the options you have. PMing you for further contact.
80  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Purse.io - Simple proxy buying marketplace for Amazon - get 6% off on: December 16, 2013, 03:46:27 AM
We've changed our name to purse.io (from getbspendb). There are currently over $1k in available orders.
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