https://medium.com/@mideava/metarepresented-money-759cfe446d84Keeping Ownership DecentralizedMoney represents a future commodity ownership. However, the only way of keeping this ownership rightful, hence decentralized, is to price commodities in metarepresented money. Any otherwise priced future ownership will not remain rightfully decentralized. This article explains why, by deriving the concepts, first of generic money, then of privately concrete money, and finally of metarepresented money from direct commodity exchange. No, it is something you traded something less valuable (in your mind) for, and you speculate that you at some point can trade it for something of value (for you) again. What you say has three flaws: 1. If what money buys is less valuable than the sum buying it, then the seller is defrauding the buyer. 2. Even if money only were what you say it is, it would still represent a future commodity ownership at least to whom "speculates" it into existence. 3. Despite your "speculative money" being a possible monetary representation, an actual one depends on your being aware that other people have chosen to represent money the same way as you do.
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https://medium.com/@mideava/metarepresented-money-759cfe446d84Keeping Ownership DecentralizedMoney represents a future commodity ownership. However, the only way of keeping this ownership rightful, hence decentralized, is to price commodities in metarepresented money. Any otherwise priced future ownership will not remain rightfully decentralized. This article explains why, by deriving the concepts, first of generic money, then of privately concrete money, and finally of metarepresented money from direct commodity exchange.
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People once pointed to Bitcoin charts as examples of the healthy price-discovery mechanism of a true market. I guess they must find new alternatives...
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Not necessarily: despite beginning with an analysis of Peercoin, its results apply to all cryptocoins, including Bitcoin.
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Read it. Vitalik is wrong. Also, in re. the environmental concerns I have been hearing (a lot), there are lots of ways to address it, but people don't like doing calculations, so it becomes a fruitless discussion.
Some people also don't like to present their arguments. Go figure.
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I gave much thought to the problem of transaction fees in the last few days and concluded that, confirming a post by Vitalik Buterin [1], it has no market-based solution. The ultimate reason is that a market requires buyers and sellers while mining cannot become decentralized and still have sellers. Total decentralization turns mining into a public service, and sellers must be private: with only buyers left, transaction fees tend to zero. Fortunately, I also found a protocol-based solution to the problem, which goes a step further from Peercoin: 1. The reward for chaining proof-of-stake blocks comes from newly minted currency, like in Peercoin—which mints 1% new coins a year. 2. Based on information from the block chain, an algorithm constantly adjusts destructive fees just to offset the newly minted coins. This way we have both a stable money supply and self-adjusted fees. The newly minted coins transfer value to block miners—from those who skip minting—partially via inflation while destructive fees constantly offset that inflation, leaving a value transfer equivalent to formal payments. Yet such a value transfer is impossible with formal payments: instead of going directly to miners, its destructive fees go to the whole network as deflation, and only then to miners according to their contribution to the same inflation offset by those deflationary fees. [1] http://blog.ethereum.org/2014/02/01/on-transaction-fees-market-based-solutions/
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Here is a proposal for achieving consensus on transaction fees, based on the Slasher [1] algorithm: 1. Fees would come from proof-of-stake blocks but would be voted for in each proof-of-work block. 2. Miners voting for lower fees in their proof-of-work blocks would have a higher probability of mining a proof-of-stake block. 3. Mined proof-of-stake blocks would select the fees voted for in the proof-of-work blocks providing their signing privileges. This would create two opposite incentives for miners when voting for fees: 1. Higher fees would increase their profit when mining a proof-of-stake block that included those fees. 2. Lower fees would increase their chances of mining a proof-of-stake block. So transaction fees should remain within a reasonable interval. [1] http://blog.ethereum.org/2014/01/15/slasher-a-punitive-proof-of-stake-algorithm/
EDIT: There is a flaw in this proposal: miners with no long-term commitment would have an incentive to vote on arbitrarily lower fees merely to increase their mining probability while still enjoying the current, higher fees.
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Unless money gets decentralized and stays fungible, the authority on public money steals an increasing part of its value by controlling its representation. This article introduces the reasons for that: it explains the advent of governments along with their central banks, then why only the decentralization and fungibility of money can consistently preserve the ownership of monetary value. https://medium.com/money-versus-metamoney/8e7b9fbefd94
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Currency is a unit.
It is a unit in the system of measurement of value. Just like an inch is a unit in the system of measurement for length.
Money is nothing like "a unit in the system of measurement for length": it measures the exchange value of whichever it prices, rather than any of its objective properties - exchange value is neither objective nor constant.
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First, I dont want this to be true but it is.
Currency is a unit.
It is a unit in the system of measurement of value. Just like an inch is a unit in the system of measurement for length.
Units (and there have been thousands of different ones) all have 2 things in common.
1- They are not real. They are all made up, everyone of them is just an opinion. Inch, pound, meter, cat 5, g force,currency --- not real. the are all just an opinion that we chose to share. We all share the opinion that an inch is so long, if we all shared the opinion that an inch was a foot then it would be.
2- All units are equal to a constant and are objectively definable.
Bitcoin is not a currency because it is not a unit. It has to be definable it has to be equal to something. An inch is not real but it is definable.
* note that the USD no longer fits the definition of currency either. It is not a UNIT
Unlike other units of measure, money does not measure the physical properties it has in common with other objects, like a standard weight or length would do. Instead, it measures exchange value - which is never a physical property. Regarding this, bitcoin is just like any other form of money.
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This was a very educating watch. Thank you. I suspected that there was a scam behind all this printing press and currency out of thin air business, but I did not think it was running that deeply. Murdock and Mavrodi are just small fry by comparison. I would also recommend everyone to watch the first episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyV0OfU3-FUIt really puts the difference between money and currency into perspective. And Bitcoin fills the criteria of being money, while dollar is only a currency. Although Mike Maloney is doing a great job educating people, his distinction between money and currency is flawed. He believes that money was originally sound (as gold) then got corrupted, when it was corrupted from the beginning. If he went deep enough to find the flaw, then he would see the fundamental deficiency of gold, which Bitcoin overcomes. And the fundamental deficiency of gold is....? That it's not easily transferable? It was about as easily transferable as anything, when it was used as currency. :\ The fundamental deficiency of gold is that it makes no distinction between itself as a representation of monetary value and the monetary value it represents. Bitcoin makes that distinction by representing monetary value as a private key then metarepresenting as a public key. And what is the significance of this? You're trying to say its easier with Bitcoin to check how many Bitcoins other users have? The confusion between money and its representation is the basis for that between debt and money. For further information, please read this: http://bit.ly/Z9cRyY.
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This video was really well done but contains a few critical inaccuracies.
1) The government doesn't need to issue bonds to pay for its deficits, it also doesn't need deficits to issue bonds.
Inflation can finance far bigger deficits than taxes because people mistakenly blame it on merchants. Additionally, turning debt into money provides the perfect disguise for inflation as it makes money self-inflationary. 2) More importantly, the government doesn't need to tax to pay off its existing bonds. The latter point is obvious, the US govt is paying its maturing bonds and interest payments while still running a deficit.
Using just inflation to pay public debt would destroy the currency too rapidly, which is why whoever controlled the government created the income tax along with the central bank. 3) The government cannot "steal" prosperity from future generations as this video implies. That is literally impossible. The goods and services that are produced in the future cannot be sent back in time to be consumed in the present. When the government spends, it is taking labor and resources away from the PRESENT. As an example, the fuel, steel, and manpower that was squandered in the Iraq War did not come from the future, even though we ran major deficits and issued new bonds, it came from today.
We are stealing wealth from the future by: 1. Destroying or failing to create productive capacity - by misallocating resources. 2. Forcing future generations to repay outstanding debt instead of producing. I really wish they would correct these things, I can't get behind it or share it in its current form. At least #2 and #3.
Mike Maloney's mistake is to be found instead in his distinction between "money" and "currency." I agree w/ everything you said except "Forcing future generations to repay outstanding debt instead of producing." The national debt is in dollars, not in goods and services. Future generations produce goods and services, not dollars. The US Govt has an infinite capacity to produce dollars. The productivity (and wealth) of future generations depends on the productive capital that is available to them. Are you telling me that dollars do not represent goods and services? Have we so deeply mistaken money by debt as to forget it was ever money? However, in a sense you are correct: the damage to productive capacity, social infrastructure, social cohesion, and the environment will outlive any reengineering of the monetary system to solve the debt problem.
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This video was really well done but contains a few critical inaccuracies.
1) The government doesn't need to issue bonds to pay for its deficits, it also doesn't need deficits to issue bonds.
Inflation can finance far bigger deficits than taxes because people mistakenly blame it on merchants. Additionally, turning debt into money provides the perfect disguise for inflation as it makes money self-inflationary. 2) More importantly, the government doesn't need to tax to pay off its existing bonds. The latter point is obvious, the US govt is paying its maturing bonds and interest payments while still running a deficit.
Using just inflation to pay public debt would destroy the currency too rapidly, which is why whoever controlled the government created the income tax along with the central bank. 3) The government cannot "steal" prosperity from future generations as this video implies. That is literally impossible. The goods and services that are produced in the future cannot be sent back in time to be consumed in the present. When the government spends, it is taking labor and resources away from the PRESENT. As an example, the fuel, steel, and manpower that was squandered in the Iraq War did not come from the future, even though we ran major deficits and issued new bonds, it came from today.
We are stealing wealth from the future by: 1. Destroying or failing to create productive capacity - by misallocating resources. 2. Forcing future generations to repay outstanding debt instead of producing. I really wish they would correct these things, I can't get behind it or share it in its current form. At least #2 and #3.
Mike Maloney's mistake is to be found instead in his distinction between "money" and "currency."
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This was a very educating watch. Thank you. I suspected that there was a scam behind all this printing press and currency out of thin air business, but I did not think it was running that deeply. Murdock and Mavrodi are just small fry by comparison. I would also recommend everyone to watch the first episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyV0OfU3-FUIt really puts the difference between money and currency into perspective. And Bitcoin fills the criteria of being money, while dollar is only a currency. Although Mike Maloney is doing a great job educating people, his distinction between money and currency is flawed. He believes that money was originally sound (as gold) then got corrupted, when it was corrupted from the beginning. If he went deep enough to find the flaw, then he would see the fundamental deficiency of gold, which Bitcoin overcomes. And the fundamental deficiency of gold is....? That it's not easily transferable? It was about as easily transferable as anything, when it was used as currency. :\ The fundamental deficiency of gold is that it makes no distinction between itself as a representation of monetary value and the monetary value it represents. Bitcoin makes that distinction by representing monetary value as a private key then metarepresenting as a public key.
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