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1401  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2014, 07:38:55 PM
Are you sure about this? In the original announcement it sounded like they wanted to make their own payment processing system in-house, to avoid the market dump effect and the fees.
Looks like they are using Coinbase, not Bitpay:

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Last Tuesday, the company struck a deal to handle bitcoin payments through a service operated by the suddenly hot San Francisco startup Coinbase

http://www.wired.com/business/2014/01/overstock-bitcoin-live/

Maybe, Richy. This is economics, and economics is similar to religion. Cheesy
1402  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2014, 07:32:35 PM
Choo choo, all the overstock coins will soon hit the market. Cheesy

An overstock of coins. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

you really think they will directly sell 100% of the coins they get?!
imho they decided to jump in the bitcoin train not only to expand their marketshare, but also to make even more profit hodling some of it.. I mean, isnt that all about profit after all? Wink
I'm not sure you understand how this works: They do not accept Bitcoins directly. They use a payment processor called Bitpay that guarantees them USD, and Bitpay of course sells them on the open market.

edit: Coinbase then, but same principle applies.
1403  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2014, 07:27:56 PM
Sorry, I would much rather buy fake virtual credit points for a fake farm game.
1404  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2014, 07:26:02 PM
What's scary on the paper wallet (preferably encrypted using BIP0038)?

It's not the tech, it's trusting it to paper and/or USB. They just seem too fragile. Not just in the physical sense either.


I know that well. I think something like Trezor is probably best. Hopefully, that will soon be available for non-ridiculous prices.
1405  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2014, 07:23:41 PM
good now theres no need to sell bitcoin for fiat, you can buy the things you need directly  Smiley
You mean directly via a middleman (Bitpay) for another middleman (Bitcoin exchanges) for yet another middleman (banks)?

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
1406  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2014, 07:20:29 PM
Choo choo, all the overstock coins will soon hit the market. Cheesy

An overstock of coins. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
1407  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2014, 07:19:33 PM
Indeed. Weekend is coming. Cheesy
1408  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2014, 07:16:04 PM
More about overstock! Going to make an account there... just in case  Grin

http://www.wired.com/business/2014/01/overstock-bitcoin-live/

Major retailers intend to convert to fiat on the fly. Purchasing items is equivalent to selling on an exchange. The price will drop without sufficient new fiat flowing into the exchanges.
Pretty much. DeathAndTaxes has made a convincing case as to how an increase in Bitcoin's velocity would reduce its value (ceteris paribus). I agree with him.

Bitcoin liquidity, and people actually using it as a currency is really a bad thing for inflated values. Consider what happened after the largest Bitcoin commerce activity to date, Silk Road, was taken out of the picture.

If we want to go to da moon, we need to be useless like Gold, not useful like PayPal.
1409  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2014, 07:11:02 PM
Scalping bots can inflate volumes ridiculously high at a 0% fee. You saw the effect when BTCChina introduced a fee. Furthermore, I would not be surprised if at least in part, Huobi's volume was made up by the exchange operators. OKCoin is precedence enough as to the shadiness of Chinese exchanges.

Last but not least, even if we assume that the 0% fee is not that big a factor, Huobi will likely be no more within the next 3 weeks.

So, that is why I decide to disregard them entirely. Or anything else that is Chinese, really.
1410  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2014, 07:06:25 PM
If your Bitcoins drop too much in value, you will have no purchasing power left to even buy bitcrack. If you can no longer get high on bitcrack, inevitably you will be forced to sell. Think about it.

Thus, as an emergency measure, I recommend selling your Bitcoins off for the "To The Moon" game on Humble Bundle.
1411  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: January 09, 2014, 07:02:45 PM
139 pages and 9 months later, Emptygox is continuing its slow, slow death.

It is now, including all of its non-USD currencies, the third largest Bitcoin exchange (excluding Huobi): http://bitcoinity.org/markets/list?currency=ALL&span=7d

Either they give people their money back or they will eventually have to close up shop.
1412  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2014, 06:58:22 PM
That almost makes me a little more bearish. Smiley

Contrary to your assumptions, I am flexible on these matters too.
I don't know, just surprised because of your recent post that made me think you would wait for years if necessary.

I applaud anyone who doesn't succumb to the highs from bitcrack.

By the way, Emptygox is now the world's third largest exchange if we exclude the fake/0% volume Huobi, and this is even including all their non-USD currencies http://bitcoinity.org/markets/list?currency=ALL&span=7d
1413  Economy / Speculation / Re: Single digits this weekend? on: January 09, 2014, 06:55:33 PM
We will likely go below $10/BTC this weekend because of the bad news and stuff and things.

So you should sell as much as you can as soon as possible.

This is not a ploy to get your cheap coins when I get paid tomorrow. Honest.

Absolutely agree.  I've read those bad news and stuff and things.  It's really bad and it's all been clearly confirmed.

Newbies take heed: Proudhon is the World's foremost expert on single digits.

Never waste a good panic I say. Ghash io is literally Krugman  Wink
Didn't he predict single digits for 2014 originally? Jury is still out on that one.
1414  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2014, 06:51:14 PM
Don't like the looks of it, and I don't see that changing very soon. Ergo: (relatively small) re-arrangement of my position complete. Just to let you know, arepo Cheesy

the outcome is still fuzzy short-term, but it doesn't look good for the coming week, that's for sure. i'm still expecting a bearish formation up to $875 +/- $10 on stamp before we break under the short-term bottom, but good call on the most recent move down. it's hard to make intraday calls better than chance, and so my focus is usually on risk management, and while i did take a small loss i quickly recouped it and more with a slight re-arrangement of my position as well Wink

--arepo

Problem is there is no buying. Hard to make a bearish wedge pattern if you can't even move in an upward direction off a bounce.

My gut feeling is that there was a lot of enthusiasm that the new year would bring tons of new money right off the bat and in truth the new year hasn't. Its almost like buying the rumor selling the news.  

I think we are bearish for at least a little bit now.
That almost makes me bullish.
1415  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2014, 04:24:36 PM

I want one. Cheesy
1416  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2014, 03:56:31 PM
Keep smoking that bitcrack.
1417  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2014, 03:48:54 PM
http://www.coindesk.com/congressional-report-warns-bitcoin-threat-dollar/
1418  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2014, 02:30:02 PM
that being said, it still isn't clear whether or not the sell-off was "caused" by the news, or merely exacerbated by it.
This "news" would never have been looked at had we been in a strong uptrend. The price affects the perception of the news. We are all ruled by emotion, and so is the market, regardless of news.
1419  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2014, 02:12:00 PM

There is a certain degree of randomness to this calculation because it is based on a rolling average of the past X blocks,

This could also be the reason it peaked to 42 % in the first place.
True, could have been a statistical anomaly. Are there any graphs of this with a longer "rolling average" that is less susceptible to change by the most recent blocks?

edit: Nameless, I know you're one of the few people here who, like me, won't sacrifice money for ideology or wants. Smiley
1420  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2014, 02:08:06 PM
42% actually down to 38-39% today so community reacting?
There is a certain degree of randomness to this calculation because it is based on a rolling average of the past X blocks, so you would have to watch longer term. I'm sure a few people moved over, but as long as the underlying conditions that caused this pool to grow so much do not change, it will likely continue to grow once this reddit flurry is over.

Basically: If it loses 5-10% now, do you really think this won't happen again?
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