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2041  Economy / Speculation / Re: I am fucking panicking on: July 03, 2013, 11:23:56 PM
This is the first time in a long time that bitcoin is a strong buy.  Down 30% in the last few days, market cap well below 1 billion, and significant positive news in the last few days.  I don't care how many negative articles are published about the Winklevii ETF, it is a positive for BTC long term.   
There's a good chance it will never be approved.
2042  Economy / Speculation / Re: Any word on why Bitcoin has dropped 30% in the last 3 or 4 days??? on: July 03, 2013, 11:23:20 PM
So why exactly are people selling their Bitcoins to have dollars on the exchange that they think is going bankrupt and doesn't allow them to withdraw at the moment?
That doesn't make sense at all.
Since when do markets make sense again? Cheesy
2043  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 03, 2013, 11:16:28 PM
I've made the point before, I'll make it again. It's important to keep in mind when the price violently retraces.
2044  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 03, 2013, 11:14:19 PM
88 fell, 79 fell, next horizontal support is at $50 and you guys are calling bottoms. Too funny.

Even a bitcoin crash is not a straight downward movement. We had a retrace from 82 to 89 just a day ago (bitstamp). Didn't keep the price to crashing down again afterwards, but if you see a chance to catch that upward movement, why not take it?  Wink
This is true, there are going to be epic bull traps and great selling opportunities and people will scream: china argentina winklevoss hunt bros trend reversal cheap bitcoins great buying opportunity

People who've seen this before know exactly what this is however.

Oh I'm still holding coins long term, I never said I was selling did I?

But I am going to buy a lot of new coins soon. Grin

Good enough to be emotionally prepared alone.
2045  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 03, 2013, 11:10:38 PM
I doubt it, there's a long way down to go still. We broke through the two previous lows 88 and 79 like it was nothing, I just don't believe it's going to stop here. $50 might be the bottom, or $20-30 even. Real panic and despair is going to break out soon. I know I had a different opinion before, but after seeing 79 break like that you can't just expect sentiment to change now. The 2011 self-fulfilling prophecy is here and theres no stopping it. No more denial, the game is on now. Cheesy
Good for you to break free of the bulls' delusional denial hand-holding 300 spartan shackles. Smiley
2046  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 03, 2013, 11:08:30 PM
88 fell, 79 fell, next horizontal support is at $50 and you guys are calling bottoms. Too funny.
2047  Other / Off-topic / Re: The Darkness is coming on: July 03, 2013, 11:05:11 PM

We got to watch out for people like this, does anyone else remember his ultra bullish posts from just a few months ago ? Now he makes thread about "feeling like selling out", "darkness is coming" etc.

There will be a point when almost every bull has lost hope and turned bear, that's when we know the bottom is close Smiley

PS: Sorry for your loss.



That's why bubbles happen and that's why they deflate.
2048  Economy / Speculation / Re: Any word on why Bitcoin has dropped 30% in the last 3 or 4 days??? on: July 03, 2013, 11:02:49 PM
We've had a bubble and now it's deflating.
2049  Economy / Speculation / Re: Market cycle : where do you think we are ? on: July 03, 2013, 07:08:02 PM
Great, r/bitcoin is a really reliable sentiment indicator. 300 spartans to be devoured by the persians.
2050  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 03, 2013, 06:57:28 PM

Thanks.

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Exante, a Malta-based broker will now provide a means to investors to take long or short Bitcoin positions and trade shares using its Automatic Trading Platform (ATP). Thus, becoming the first of its kind, Exante which also became the first to introduce the world’s first Bitcoin-only hedge fund last March is all set to promote the crypto-currency for traders.

So since a week ago, you can now short Bitcoin on their account.  Smiley
Oh boy, that could serve to accelerate the bear market. I remember what happened when Bitcoinica came on stage.
2051  Economy / Speculation / Re: Market cycle : where do you think we are ? on: July 03, 2013, 06:45:48 PM
"Temporary setback – I'm a long term investor." Cheesy
2052  Economy / Speculation / Re: I am fucking panicking on: July 03, 2013, 06:36:05 PM
I'm holding out for sure until Winklevoss IPO hits which values coins at $100 each. Lets see if the institutional investors like Bitcoin, easy to purchase a stake in.

Chill out man, worst case scenario, hold your bitcoins for a year and make a massive profit.
1) "Reginald Browne, head of exchange-traded product trading at Knight Capital Group Inc. (KCG), the largest lead market maker for ETFs and their cousins ETPs on the New York Stock Exchange, said he expects the examination to take years."

And even then, it may never get approved.

2) Seriously, THAT is your worst case scenario?
2053  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 03, 2013, 05:39:00 PM
I think people are betting on MTGox being competent tomorrow. What if they announce that they still haven't got their bank up to scratch and it will be another 2 weeks until you can withdraw?

No no, no chance of a bounce at all.
Bull traps always happen and often times quite violently, but deluded bulls will say it's the emergence of a new bull market because China Winklevoss Argentina Turkey Cyprus instead of selling. I won't make any efforts to predict them, and I'm not at all actively trading.
2054  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 03, 2013, 05:28:13 PM
Something doesn't seem right. Market depth is so heavily in favour of buy with 1k moving us down 1 dollar or up 5 dollars.

I'm holding, as usual  Cool
I remember it was the same during the whole of the 2011 bear market.

Cool story bro.
It's unfortunate for the people who choose to stick their fingers in their ears when someone who has experienced the same thing tries to educate them: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=188829.0
2055  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 03, 2013, 05:24:24 PM
Something doesn't seem right. Market depth is so heavily in favour of buy with 1k moving us down 1 dollar or up 5 dollars.

I'm holding, as usual  Cool
I remember it was the same during the whole of the 2011 bear market.
2056  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why people holding their coins when the price is going down for sure... on: July 03, 2013, 05:22:43 PM
2) If you think one bitcoin will be worth millions in a few years, it hardly matters if you have 200 or 400; you're going to be a fucking tycoon either way.

TL;DR: Only sell large portions of your holdings if you think Bitcoin isn't going to succeed.

Reptilia, is that you? If the price were to go to millions in a few years (with a certain % chance) why would you invest most of your money? You can invest a small portion and still be filthy rich, and reduce your risk in case it doesn't happen. The wise choice is to liquidate the Bitcoins and retain what you think will be "enough".
2057  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 03, 2013, 05:00:22 PM
Bitstamp and CampBX trading higher than MTGox. Oversold?
Nope, MtGox leading the other exchanges was the normal state of things to which we are apparently now returning.
2058  Economy / Speculation / Re: People are selling - where is the money on: July 03, 2013, 04:58:15 PM
The artificial or anomalous thing was the bubble. The current bear market or bubble deflation is only a result of the former.
2059  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Winkle Twins on: July 03, 2013, 04:54:09 PM
It's because they want to dump their 200k BTC on the unsuspecting public.
Right. They bought a large number of Bitcoins. Now they want to unload them. But how? Mt. Gox isn't paying out USD to traders who sell, and nobody with $20 million would trust it to Mt. Gox. Tradehill probably doesn't have the volume to sell that many without crashing the market.  By creating an exchange-traded fund, and funding the initial offering with their Bitcoins, they have a vehicle for dumping 200k BTC.
Nagle, it's you! Missing you over at the speculation forum. What would you say is the Bitcoin endgame at this point?
2060  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin will reach $10 on: July 03, 2013, 04:31:04 PM
'deflation'
I don't think this word means what you think it means.

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to reduce (a price level) or cause (a volume of credit) to contract

Bubbles and prices can deflate, yes.
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