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1  Economy / Speculation / Re: Kim Jong Il is dead. Will it have an impact on BTC prices? on: December 19, 2011, 07:50:16 PM
  • Fidel Castro
  • Than Shwe
  • Hu Jintao
  • Robert Mugabe
  • Prince Abdullah
Now that we solved the difficult question of "What makes BTC prices go up?", the rest is easy. We just have to take out these five human trashes. Should we spread out the assassinations over a few months or just kill them all in the same day?

2  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Easy Tax Chain on: December 19, 2011, 07:42:05 PM
Still have the issue of no one wanting to mine it, leaving all the mining work to the government. Then there's the issue of Bitcoin type networks being global, meaning the government's mining activities could be supplanted or screwed with by foreigners. About the only secure option a small government would have is to either force everyone else in the country to mine, too, or get rid of mining and just run a secure ledger all by themselves, having total control of all coin distribution, and tracking all transactions digitally from a single centralized location (what central banks already do).
I don't think there is a way for any government or private entity to own a private Bitcoin clone, simply because not enough people would ever be willing to mine/secure it.

Why not just reward people for mining the way bitcoin does? This way it is a non-centralized government recognized currency that also pays for govt activities.

Anyone in the world could mine the currency for the govt, and it would be taxed world wide, and then spent in the country by the govt.

So what's stopping an enemy nation from launching a 51% attack? Untraceable cyber-warfare with 100% chance of victory.
3  Economy / Speculation / Re: You guys don't get it - Bitcoin will act like a Ponzi scheme until Dec 2012 on: December 19, 2011, 08:40:56 AM
Read what I wrote in the first post. I have never said that Bitcoin is a ponzi.

No, you just said "it will act as if it was a ponzi scheme". I love playing these semantic games.
4  Economy / Speculation / Re: The rocket is secretly taking off! High 3.26, 20k BTC to $3.50 (up from $3.35) on: December 19, 2011, 08:09:39 AM
Sorry, I just get tired of hearing the same shit over and over.  Despite this account only being active since July, I've actually been around since February.  Yes mistakes were made, a bubble formed, and value was transferred from losers to winners.  However, I disagree that we will see a repeat of the summer bubble.  Just look at it on a weekly time scale and you'll see what a joke it was.  There's too much money to be made preventing it from bubbling, and much more legitimate volume this time around.  This time the greedy will learn patience and the fearful will learn resilience.

I was talking about a purely hypothetical (not to mention impossible) situation where the price is perpetually increasing. Sorry for not making it more clear.

Oh well, than yes.  Hypothetically, perpetually increasing prices would cause a bubble repeat.  Also, once the realization sinks in that it is perpetually increasing, it will go vertical as people sell everything they don't need for survival for bitcoins.  Bitcoiners buy Manhattan from the natives for $160 trillion.  The natives are quite sore 1 year later when those greenbacks are worth a mere 2 BTC.  Then, people will only spend their bitcoins on necessities and BTC/USD prices will be irrelevant since all USD has been handed off to bagholders.

We are actually on the same page then.

I'll try to re-iterate my point again. Hopefully I can be more clear this time.

There are 4 possible scenarios:
1. Stable prices
2. Fluctuations
3. Perpetual increase
4. Perpetual decrease

#2 is bad for evangelicals because people are afraid of uncertainties.
#3 is bad for evangelicals because of the reason you mentioned above.
#4 is bad for evangelicals because people don't want to lose their money.

Which leaves #1, the best future for bitcoin evangelism.
5  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "Religion is always in the control business..." on: December 19, 2011, 07:59:55 AM
1) Right, so now that we think we understand the spirit of the god given law it should be updated to account for modern technology. People back then were not ready to hear about "bacteria".

2) As would not eating "split hoofed animals" if they happened to be around. What at first seems like a waste may be better for a society or individual for unexpected reasons.

Indeed. I had some clams for dinner. I don't wanna be stoned to death by my neighbors.

I was just saying that modern science found evidence that those prohibitions made sense 2000 years ago. Obviously none of them makes sense today. 
6  Economy / Speculation / Re: The rocket is secretly taking off! High 3.26, 20k BTC to $3.50 (up from $3.35) on: December 19, 2011, 07:46:04 AM
Sorry, I just get tired of hearing the same shit over and over.  Despite this account only being active since July, I've actually been around since February.  Yes mistakes were made, a bubble formed, and value was transferred from losers to winners.  However, I disagree that we will see a repeat of the summer bubble.  Just look at it on a weekly time scale and you'll see what a joke it was.  There's too much money to be made preventing it from bubbling, and much more legitimate volume this time around.  This time the greedy will learn patience and the fearful will learn resilience.

I was talking about a purely hypothetical (not to mention impossible) situation where the price is perpetually increasing. Sorry for not making it more clear.
7  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "Religion is always in the control business..." on: December 19, 2011, 07:38:14 AM
1) Science now allows us to avoid the need for ruminants via direct cultivation of vitamin B12 from bacteria, or synthesize it directly (probably more expensive)

2) Milk and eggs

1) Yes, modern science can help us get vitamin B12 artificially. But 2000 years ago it wasn't possible. So instead of saying "you guys need vitamin B12 to survive", God said "go eat these animals on my approved list".

2) Drinking milk but not eating the cows would be a waste. Eating eggs but not the hens would be a waste. 
8  Economy / Speculation / Re: The rocket is secretly taking off! High 3.26, 20k BTC to $3.50 (up from $3.35) on: December 19, 2011, 07:31:51 AM
What's good for evangelicals and merchants is good for speculators who are long.

Perpetually increasing prices is actually bad for evangelicals, because it'll cause a repeat of the summer bubble. Bitcoin becomes harder to accept when it undergoes such unhealthy bubbles periodically.

Perpetually decreasing prices is annoying for merchants.
Perpetually increasing prices is annoying for customers, which results in lower sales, which in turn causes headaches for the merchants.
Which is why I said stable prices are good for merchants.

When did I say anything about perpetually increasing or perpetually decreasing prices?

Sorry if I misunderstood but when you said "What's good for speculators who are long" I just assumed you meant perpetually increasing prices.

I didn't say that either... but I digress.  I am long bitcoin in both ways: I hold bitcoins, and I am willing to hold that position "long" term.  Short term, I will sell into a rally or buy a dip to keep things liquid for those who have way more money and are in a bigger hurry, and of course, make a few bitcents.  But thanks for schooling me on bubbles Mr. I'm an expert after 11 days on the forums.

Apologies again for the misunderstanding then. The attack on my low post count was uncalled for though.
9  Economy / Speculation / Re: The rocket is secretly taking off! High 3.26, 20k BTC to $3.50 (up from $3.35) on: December 19, 2011, 07:19:47 AM
What's good for evangelicals and merchants is good for speculators who are long.

Perpetually increasing prices is actually bad for evangelicals, because it'll cause a repeat of the summer bubble. Bitcoin becomes harder to accept when it undergoes such unhealthy bubbles periodically.

Perpetually decreasing prices is annoying for merchants.
Perpetually increasing prices is annoying for customers, which results in lower sales, which in turn causes headaches for the merchants.
Which is why I said stable prices are good for merchants.

When did I say anything about perpetually increasing or perpetually decreasing prices?

Sorry if I misunderstood but when you said "What's good for speculators who are long" I just assumed you meant perpetually increasing prices.
10  Economy / Speculation / Re: The rocket is secretly taking off! High 3.26, 20k BTC to $3.50 (up from $3.35) on: December 19, 2011, 07:14:49 AM
This 'benevolent stabilizer' crap is very annoying.

Annoying indeed. Whoever they are, they just spent nearly $100k in the last 30 minutes stabilizing the price.

I honestly cannot see how a speculator could benefit from having the price stabilized.
Yes, stable prices are good for bitcoin evangelization.
Yes, stable prices are good for bitcoin merchants.
But no, stable prices are not good for speculators.

What's good for evangelicals and merchants is good for speculators who are long.

Perpetually increasing prices is actually bad for evangelicals, because it'll cause a repeat of the summer bubble. Bitcoin becomes harder to accept when it undergoes such unhealthy bubbles periodically.

Perpetually decreasing prices is annoying for merchants.
Perpetually increasing prices is annoying for customers, which results in lower sales, which in turn causes headaches for the merchants.
Which is why I said stable prices are good for merchants.
11  Economy / Speculation / Re: The rocket is secretly taking off! High 3.26, 20k BTC to $3.50 (up from $3.35) on: December 19, 2011, 07:02:09 AM
This 'benevolent stabilizer' crap is very annoying.

Annoying indeed. Whoever they are, they just spent nearly $100k in the last 30 minutes stabilizing the price.

I honestly cannot see how a speculator could benefit from having the price stabilized.
Yes, stable prices are good for bitcoin evangelization.
Yes, stable prices are good for bitcoin merchants.
But no, stable prices are not good for speculators.
12  Economy / Speculation / Re: The rocket is secretly taking off! High 3.26, 20k BTC to $3.50 (up from $3.35) on: December 19, 2011, 06:46:24 AM
A new ask wall just went up at 3.26. Houston, we have a problem?
13  Economy / Speculation / Re: Kim Jong Il is dead. Will it have an impact on BTC prices? on: December 19, 2011, 06:39:57 AM
The number of data points might be limited, but we can still safely conclude that dead dictators leads to higher bitcoin prices. Who wanna take one for the team and fly a cessna into Castro's mansion?
14  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "Religion is always in the control business..." on: December 19, 2011, 06:09:17 AM
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Maimonides, the Jewish philosopher and legal codifier, who was also court physician to the Muslim sultan Saladin in the twelfth century, understands the dietary laws chiefly as a means of keeping the body healthy. He argued that the meat of the forbidden animals, birds, and fish is unwholesome and indigestible. According to Maimonides, at first glance, this does not apply to pork, which does not appear to be harmful. Yet, Maimonides observes, the pig is a filthy animal and if swine were used for food, marketplaces and even houses would be dirtier than latrines

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The cultural materialistic anthropologist Marvin Harris thinks that the main reason for prohibiting consumption of pork was ecological-economical. Pigs require water and shady woods with seeds, but those conditions are scarce in Israel and the Middle East. They cannot forage grass like ruminants. Instead, they compete with humans for expensive grain. Unlike many other forms of livestock, pigs are omnivorous scavengers, eating virtually anything they come across, including carrion and refuse. This was deemed unclean, hence a Middle Eastern society keeping large stocks of pigs would destroy their ecosystem. Harris points out how, while the Hebrews are also forbidden to eat camels and fish without scales, Arab nomads couldn't afford to starve in the desert whilst having camels around.

These are basically the arguments for vegetarianism.

No, they are arguments for eatings ruminants. Science already showed that humans can't survive on vegetables alone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12).
15  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "Religion is always in the control business..." on: December 19, 2011, 05:21:31 AM

Through science we know why pork is prohibited.


why?



See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_restrictions_on_the_consumption_of_pork
16  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Stagflation on: December 19, 2011, 03:44:46 AM
In some 40-min intervals today, only 15 BTC was traded.  AFAIK that's a very low minimum!

24h volume just under 10k BTC, which is a small fraction of the normal volume (30-50k).

Looks like the holiday low volume theory could be right after all.
17  Economy / Speculation / Re: Kim Jong Il is dead. Will it have an impact on BTC prices? on: December 19, 2011, 03:42:20 AM
I'm gonna side with the poll and say there will be no effects whatsoever.
18  Economy / Speculation / Re: how else is waiting for a sizeable drop to buy more coins again? on: December 19, 2011, 12:21:25 AM
I'm not sure about that.  I think on MtGox the order is processed instantly.  It's just the reporting that's delayed.
Just give it a try. Place a large order and then immediately click cancel. If you're right then it should be all or nothing.
19  Economy / Economics / Re: Investing in BTC to Preserve Wealth - Silly or Practical ? on: December 19, 2011, 12:07:21 AM
USD cash has serious liquidity problems due to the various anti-money laundering laws, and unfortunately this liquidity issue is plaguing bitcoins as well. Personally I'm hesitant to hold more bitcoins than my daily mtgox limit.
20  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Historical Depth Blog -- updates once a day on: December 18, 2011, 11:50:38 PM
I've got a hunch we're going to see some movement today, one way or another.

I was wrong.
yup, this stability is killing me lol. I would have expected at least a spread of 10 cents over the day but not even.

Don't jinx it, guys. When the storm comes we'll all be wishing for calm seas again.
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