I'd ask the same question had you not already posed it--Ledger has proven they can't be trusted, and anyone who values their privacy and security wouldn't go near any of their HW wallets.  Who knows what other shady things they are or have been up to that haven't been disclosed?


And you're certainly free to do so, but man...there are other HW wallets out there that are as good or better than a Ledger and aren't produced by a company that was caught in what should have been a scandal resulting in bankruptcy but instead turned out to be just another day in crypto where the suckers went "la la la, nothing's wrong here" and then everyone's attention turned to the next news item.  I swear.

The Fed has always been slow and very reluctant to pull the trigger when it comes to changing the interest rate, and since inflation has dropped since spiking in 2022 I don't think they want to make too many cuts too soon and thereby produce some unintended consequences (like an even bigger stock market boom than we've had, except with a major crash shortly to follow).

But you know what?  I'm guessing the Fed takes many different factors into consideration, and I'm sure I don't know all of them--probably true for most members here as well.  So this is a question that only produces a guessing game.


Not quite sure I understood the logic of that.


So true; academics and a lot of other people treat economics as though it were a science--but it isn't.  Far from it.  If you ask 10 economists a question, you'll get 11 different answers.  Lol.

So true, so true.  And yet over the years I've seen desperate idiots scam people for very small amounts--so small that the average person would think the effort to do it.  This forum is jam-packed full of dishonest people who also think nobody is going to notice what they're doing (which, most of the time, somebody with sharp eyes does notice and call out).

You can neg this guy all to hell and it might ruin his account as far as sig campaigns go, but he's only made 60 posts and hasn't earned much merit at all. 

I took a look at his merit-giving behavior and saw one questionable post that didn't seem like it deserved any....but that doesn't really mean much.  Just saying.

OP, just FYI you might want to consider clarifying the title of this thread (or maybe it's just me), because when I saw "E-Cash" I immediately thought of XEC which isn't exactly the most popular shitcoin in the world, but it's almost in the top 100 out of thousands in existence.

As far as cashless societies go, I just had a conversation with a friend about that two days ago.  I said what I'd written here at least a few times--governments might well want to do away with physical money altogether for myriad reasons, but the average person isn't going to be putting up much resistance anytime soon.  I see everybody paying for stuff with their phones or credit/debit cards, and they're happy doing so.  And why not?  It's easy and you don't have to touch paper money that's probably been rolled up to sniff cocaine or shoved down a stripper's thong (or worse).  So the way I see it, cashless societies are inevitable; it's just a question of when, not if. 

IMO it'd be a mistake if cash were to be eliminated entirely instead of being allowed to exist alongside digital payment methods, but fortunately for me at least I doubt that'll happen in my lifetime.

I know some of you might not remember obscure PoS altcoins (or are too young to even have ever had them on your radar), but back in the day there were numerous proof-of-stake altcoins out there where all you had to do to earn passive income was to 1) own some coins, and 2) keep your wallet running.  It was so easy that some company produced Raspberry Pi's branded as Stakebox(es).  PIVX, Pinkcoin, Neblio, Gridcoin, Peercoin, Reddcoin, and....Navcoin.

From time to time I check CMC to see how all of those oldies have fared, and let's just say it's been brutal.  But I just looked at what was Navcoin and was surprised to see that it's been rebranded to "Navio".  This is from a Medium article dated July 11, 2024:



Just take note of all of this we stuff, and the community discussion that's mentioned.  Navcoin might have always had some kind of dev team, but over the years it morphed into a DAO.  Meanwhile, the one-year price chart looks like this:



Don't know about y'all, but I get the feeling that some massive changes were made that a lot of NAV holders (or a few big ones) thought were going to send the coin down the shitter and sold out.  And just one last thing since I'm guessing nobody is going to even read this post.  This is from the new Navio block explorer, which has a link to the "rich list":



The way everything is written there makes me picture a scammy Youtube huckster winking at all the suckers, hyping up Navio whilst not even believing his own bullshit.  Any time there's a DAO and proposals are constantly being made, you can bet your ass most of them are going to be self-serving and not in the interest of the community.  The smartest thing Satoshi did was to create bitcoin's framework and let it be (though there's been some controversy about whose hands he left continuing development in, but that's another story).  Don't you miss the good ol' days before these silly DAOs?

Huh.  If you'd given me a full week I probably wouldn't have come up with that, but knowing Lauda and his/her [going to refer to Lauda as she/her from now on] frequently mentioning cats, it makes a lot of sense. 


I've long been wondering if Lauda had an alt account they could be posting with, but given how strong a presence she had and how vocal she was with her opinions, I doubt she'd be able to just slink into the corners and be quiet--unless there was a compelling reason for her to do so, which there might well have been since she did apparently abandon the forum.  Round and round go the thoughts.

The very existence of this thread has gotten me all hot and horny, and damned if I'd have found it on my own had not the Vilest of Vixens shot me a link to it (thank ye veddy much).


Oh, where's the fun if you can't just jump in raw?  But for those of you with even the slightest trace of qualms or squeams, best you fit yourself into a full-body condom.  You wouldn't want to catch crabs that are already infected with herpes-infected chlamydia.  There's no drug that'll kill those suckers....not that I have any first-hand knowledge of said pestilence.

Well goddamn it's about time we had one of those around here--it's been at least 3-4 years since there's been a forum personality that attracts attention in the same manner as seeing two animals of different species copulating in a Burger King parking lot.  Granted, said loon needs to stay on-topic and obey the very loose set of rules we have here, but wouldn't any of you agree that many threads across a plethora of sections are stale and dry and tasteless?

Welcome to the forum, lunatic.  I hope you last.

That'd be an excellent idea if OP is able to do it and keep it maintained; as it stands I'm just hoping he has enough motivation to keep this thread up to date as time passes, because I've seen quite a few with a similar theme get abandoned for whatever reason.

"KYC shotgun".  Never heard that term in my life, and yet I know exactly what it means.  Also, I didn't realize that


was a problem with the non-KYC exchanges still in existence.  By 'non-registered' I'm assuming that means some entity that has no standing to enforce KYC regulations?  Anyway, I missed this thread when you created it, OP.  I'm glad you did, and keep up the good work!

I decided not to edit my last post but to make a new one so people might be more likely to read it, so don't crucify me for consecuposting.

Just for yucks I was browsing the CGC forum and came across this thread in which the topic of UV light causing graded magazines/comics to fade is discussed.  Apparently the CGC slabs don't offer much protection against UV damage, and a number of posters suggested hanging a replica on the wall while keeping the graded item stored away in the dark. 

Damn that seems silly to me, and I haven't researched enough to figure out why CGC doesn't use UV-resistant slabs when manufacturers like BCW and whatever brand Timelord2067 is using do make them.  Anyway, this was all news to me and I'm not sure if it's widely known in this section (I'm not exactly a frequent flyer here) but I wanted to share how unprotected CGC slabs are from light.  Thankfully I'll be residing in the dungeon of the sig campaign castle where there will be scant light and only an enormous dehumidifier needed to allow me to adorn the walls with beautiful graded publications.

Merits to you for the above info, not for the compliment that I'll just have to stay silent on.  I do indeed have a Netflix subscription, but I've never seen that doc listed anywhere--their UI is absolutely laughable, and I also think the selection of titles I'm shown is severely restricted because I use a VPN (but I don't know that for sure).  And some things are restricted by geography regardless of a VPN that apparently every single website can identify me as using.  Is it available in the US?


And now they want me to log in every time I want to watch a video, which sometimes I need to do.  Fuck them.  They're gnawing their own feet off by doing that and by IP banning pirates--Christ, their motto used to be "Don't be evil" and look at how things turned out.

No, I've actually got one that I bought with the first Satochip I got a few years ago, so that's not the issue.  Honestly I don't need another HW wallet for bitcoin or any of the coins supported on the Satochip, but there's part of me that just wants to use it as some kind of special savings fund.

But if I do that and don't leave it in its virgin state, I might be less inclined to sell it/trade it down the road if I ever decide I want to.

And I'm still curious as to if any secondary market formed for these.

Guys, gals, sexy foxes and bovines, I apologize for really necrobumping this thread but I was rummaging through my bin for small-ish BTC collectibles and rediscovered the one Satochip that I bought, and I just had a question for those of you who bought these.

It did not escape me that BABY SHOES posted a pic of the one he bought, but I never unsealed my Satochip and kinda-sorta wanted to confirm that this is how what I received should look like:





The only reason my paranoid-because-I've-been-a-member-here-since-birth brain is asking this is because the packaging obviously does not indicate that this is the limited edition Satoshi card, and since the cardboard sleeve still has the tamper-evident seal intact I'm not sure if I can verify I have what I ordered.  *And yes, it's 2025 and I've just gotten around to questioning this*          

One more question:  Is/was there a market for these?  Yep, call me lazy but I didn't search the Collectibles section lately.  I did search eBay a while ago but found nothing.

I really, really want to use this baby as a wallet but the hard-coded collector gremlin in me just wants to slap that thought right out of my head every time my frontal cortex formulates said thought.  Any input aside from seeking psychiatric help?

No, and I appreciate you suggesting that!  The curiosity dongle attached to the conjoined bunny rabbit on my forehead hasn't been working for a few years now, and I'm really out of touch with what's going on in the world, on the internet, and even in my living room.


I've not looked at that yet *edit: I'm slowly going through the document now, and it's as crazy as it is long*, but the Xeggex people are the same scummy scumbaggios who ran Cryptsy and then ran away with their customers' funds?  That's mind-blowingly eye-popping, no joke.

Might be a stupid question, but I'm a stupid person--where's the documentary available to watch?  I've been trying to de-googlify my life and don't frequent youtube much anymore, so I haven't checked there.


Did you have a lot on there?  Sounds like it, but I'm hoping not.  And yeah, that phrase is so vague as to how fundraising is going to be accomplished that it's meaningless. 


Whaaaahh?  Can someone verify this (see above statement about not using google)?  I'll give you some merit if that's true.

Yeah, sure that's going to happen real soon--especially after there's been so much talk and planning on how to finance the country without a federal tax collection agency.  That there was sarcasm in case ya missed it.

I lean more right than left, but I have to say Trump is just pulling some crack-brained ideas straight out of his ass, including these tariffs.  How any of that is supposed to improve the US economy much less the country in general is beyond me.  I'm hoping that once the other countries start their retaliatory tariffs and the effects of those become crystal clear to the average American, there'll be a groundswell of fucking outrage and calls for impeachment.

This is why I hate politics, but taken to the extreme so far this year.

Waitasec....this whole 'crypto reserve' talk isn't some new thing, right?  I've been hearing about it for months, though it wasn't originally proposed by Trump but some senator, and I'd actually started up a thread about it back in November.

Right now I'm way less concerned with what Trump plans to do with bitcoin or any cryptocurrency--you want to talk about some real political theater?  Look at how he's made the entire stock market have a collective heart attack because of the tariffs he's levied on Canada, Mexico, China, and whatever other countries he's arbitrarily decided to become combative with.  There's talk of runaway inflation and all sorts of shit.  Meanwhile, looks like bitcoin is rebounding as though it were a safe haven asset.

The world has truly been flipped on its head.

A'ight, I'm really friggin' late commenting on your post, but I recently bought a couple copies of Bread and they barely fit in my BCW magazine box (I have to sort of tilt them sideways).  I don't know the story behind that particular magazine, but I'm searching this section for answers right now.

IMO, for Americans the grading company certainly does matter.  Collectors are a picky, picky lot and I've seen some coin collectors shun NGC and only buy PCGS-graded coins, and those are both American grading companies.  I guess it depends on the reputation of the grader, but I'm not sure a German company would appeal to us Ugly Americans.  Well, you all is pretty.  I'll just speak for myself and avoid looking in mirrors.


That might be so, but if magazine slabs are anything like coin slabs, humidity certainly could be an issue.  I've heard tell of coins toning in their slabs, and though I'm not speaking authoritatively here, I really doubt encapsulated magazines are absolutely airtight.  If I'm wrong, all the better and if hanging one of these beauties I'd be far more concerned about protection from light.  And believe you me, I will be hanging some graded BTC mags once I build my signature campaign castle.

Yeah....I'd say at this point with technology being as easy to use as it is, there's likely nothing on the internet that can be taken at face value (with certain exceptions).  Everything can be faked in terms of images--and very well, I might add--plus AI has made anything written on the 'net of questionable value.  Even on mainstream websites that are supposed to be reputable, it's hard to tell fact from fiction.  Damn good excuse for just ignoring it all, by the way.  Which I do 99.8% of the time.

I also appreciate this specific warning, OP.  Should've occurred to me that those proof-of-ownership type of pics can and would be faked.  I see them on ebay a lot but mostly have seen them right here on bitcointalk (and not usually in the context of anyone selling anything), so I never gave it much thought.  That'll teach me.

Don't know what the reason behind the massive drop was, but it looks like bitcoin's doing what it usually does after some bad news/crazy rumors:  bouncing back.  It's just over $93k as I write this, and the last time I'd checked the price it was hovering around the $80k range. 

No doubt that sort of volatility caused some holders to sell--and probably the ones who aren't used to the massive swings in the market that have happened over and over through the years.  Hopefully the old-timers here took the opportunity to buy more and didn't panic.  I mean, come on....bitcoin shot up right past $100k faster than I ever thought it would, so there's going to be a sell-off at some point.  That also happens every time the price goes nearly vertical, i.e., investors take their profits off the table.

Nothing to see here (though Trump's talk of tariffs certainly is worrisome).