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1241  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If you guys want Bitcoin to heat up again .... on: July 16, 2011, 07:32:42 AM
Less than 0?

I agree that trading without fees is nice for an individual but the bots quickly take steam out of any movement of the market as long as there are no fees.


Sounds like a perfectly good thing.
1242  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If you guys want Bitcoin to heat up again .... on: July 16, 2011, 07:27:15 AM

That and reinstating trading fees would probably get the price moving again.
We need less trading fees, not more.

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I'm not so sure about the "bored community" though - true, it seems attention span is somewhat rare these days but good projects need some time to develop. Just because not everyday some great new thing comes around doesn't mean there aren't many people working on their Bitcoin-related projects. The large influx of new people we've seen a few weeks ago will probably result in some great new projects, but that takes some time. People need to first wrap their head around the system, develop ideas and implement them.
Especially starting new sound businesses is something which shouldn't be done quickly over the weekend.

Patience my friends Smiley

The important thing is that we are trying many things at once. Many will fail, some will succeed, and a few will drive massive adoption.
1243  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is This Bitcoin Weekly Comic Crap? on: July 16, 2011, 07:22:36 AM

All I know is that your "comics" are utter crap and you'd probably be better off doing something that draws on one of your natural talents, and if I'm to compliment you at all here, it's that you MUST have SOME type of talent that's appreciably more developed than comedy...
Comedy is simply hard. Those who are good at it probably spent a lot of time practicing and iterating.
1244  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is This Bitcoin Weekly Comic Crap? on: July 16, 2011, 07:19:51 AM
I really like the comics, usually  Smiley

And every comic has a bad one once in a while, I don't see the problem really...


At the very least mention your favorite and comic you don't find funny/least laughed.

Nice to know that I have fans though.
1245  Other / Meta / Re: Synaptic Polluting Thread and the Ignore Button on: July 16, 2011, 05:06:56 AM
They are trolls when I have judge them to be contributing noise
Thank God you aren't a judge. You aren't even a moderator. Hopefully real moderators will keep this board accessible to both the proponents and the opponents.
When somebody insult you, generally being rude, and calling you names, you want to ban/censor them.

I was a moderator and then I declined to keep the job(after having the job fostered reluctantly on me) because it's a job that I don't want.

I also despise censorships and after seeing what happens here, I despise it even more. It's a good thing that I exercised reluctance in reporting them to the mod.
1246  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is This Bitcoin Weekly Comic Crap? on: July 16, 2011, 05:01:23 AM
I didn't call you a douche. I called you a huge douche.

Huge difference.

It's best to ignore him. Feeding the troll will only make him talk more.

I changed my mind on my opinion about this person, Synaptic..after asking people on #lesswrong

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he's not being rude because he wants these comics to (continue to) fail, that is, he's not malevolent, which is what a "troll" would do. he's just being rude because he's repulsed by the quality of these comics, and considers you to be a worthless person, not worthy of respect, because you are associated with these comics.

an understandable reaction, it's easy to interpret poor quality works as being indicative of a poor quality person.


Now that being said, CaptainZinn gave me some valuable feedback:

He said 1 and 2 comics are simply not funny. Bitsquirrel is good. 3, 5, 6 praised bitcoin too much.
1247  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is This Bitcoin Weekly Comic Crap? on: July 16, 2011, 04:51:53 AM
Maybe try commenting on current economic and political events? There are jokes aplenty to make about everything Helicopter Ben and his cronies do.

Of course, you can make predictable jokes that only anarchists would laugh at. That's the catch-22.
1248  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitCoin Use #1105: Ridding the Community of Unwanted Members on: July 16, 2011, 04:24:56 AM
This is terrible that we are talking about this. Huh

Indeed, it is terrible to murder human beings for simply being douchebags on forum. The people who did these kind of things are even worse than douchebags.
1249  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is This Bitcoin Weekly Comic Crap? on: July 16, 2011, 04:18:03 AM
I made the money windmill, and I was tickled that you wanted to use it. That said, I don't think it worked well in a comic, and here's why:

Symbols and memes are everywhere on the internet, and they mainly work well because they pack a whole lot of information into an immediately recognizable and portable package. The symbol is already the punchline.

You can make comics which use these symbols, but they're bound to end up seeming weak, because they don't have any particular reason to exist. If we recognize the symbols and smile at them, we don't need a comic to remind us of it-- you can just show us the symbol and we'll smile. If you can show us a very original story, or character, or ironic situation, and incorporate a symbol into that, we'll fall out of our chairs. But if you rely on the symbols to carry the weight, it'll fall flat, even on those who understand what the symbol means.

When you're writing jokes for an in-group, you're bound to come up with a lot of crappy jokes for this reason.

Very good points.

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My advice (FWIW) would be to not worry so much about making jokes about bitcoins, and focus on making jokes that people who like bitcoins would find funny. If you can make a few nods to the bitcoin community in the process, all the better-- but bitcoin itself isn't that funny.

Like you said, making jokes for in-group means lot of crappy jokes. I want to make good jokes.

Although, Bitcoin is indeed not funny, but you can probably find lot of material within the community that surrounds bitcoin.
1250  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is This Bitcoin Weekly Comic Crap? on: July 16, 2011, 04:14:04 AM
I laughed at Bitsquirrel. The rest, not so much. Of course, I understood Bitsquirrel, and someone who hasn't been involved with Bitcoin for several months might not get it.
Thanks for your feedback.

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I guess the best advice I can give is to make the comic accessible to people who aren't as familiar with Bitcoin.

Of course, it's easier said than done.
1251  Other / Meta / Re: Synaptic Polluting Thread and the Ignore Button on: July 16, 2011, 04:11:24 AM
Why you call them trolls? There's a need to bring in people willing to take the other (stupid) side of the trades on the exchange.

They are trolls when I have judge them to be contributing noise and feed lot of needless anger.

There's a difference between not liking a particular arguments for a position, and not liking people who contributed noise.
1252  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is This Bitcoin Weekly Comic Crap? on: July 16, 2011, 04:08:01 AM
I didn't call you a douche. I called you a huge douche.

Huge difference.

It's best to ignore him. Feeding the troll will only make him talk more.
1253  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is This Bitcoin Weekly Comic Crap? on: July 16, 2011, 03:10:43 AM
Kiba wasnt the originator of "the gavinator" term the credit goes to shazow.

http://media.witcoin.com/p/1365/The-GAVINATOR



I just wrote the joke. I didn't make the character or the money windmill. Obviously bitsquirrel is an invention of Joey D. Though, I applied a modification of bitsquirrel that make them gliding squirrels.

You are free to reuse them as you like. They're public domain.
1254  Other / Meta / Re: Synaptic Polluting Thread and the Ignore Button on: July 16, 2011, 01:54:51 AM
Please click the 'Report to Moderator' button at the lower right of any posts you feel are inappropriate.

Is attempting to troll somebody and not contributing useful information ground for banning?

Note: I know that troll is overused or abused..

Even so, I would prefer the ability to ignore somebody rather than banning someone outright.
1255  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is This Bitcoin Weekly Comic Crap? on: July 16, 2011, 01:39:25 AM
Off-topic: I'd favor dumping disqus. That's a service that tracks you over multiple sites (all those that use it).
Obviously, there's privacy issue just like google collecting large amount of information about you.

I am not sure how to approach this, except the fact that I would need to export the comments, if at all possible and convert them to the database at bitcoin weekly.

I need to think about the privacy issue a bit more before deciding what's the best course of action.
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On-topic: I feel the comics should have some jokes about ourselves. More introspection.


So comics should make recursive jokes about themsleves. I keep that in mind.
1256  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fallacies of "early adopters advantages" on: July 16, 2011, 01:31:53 AM
1. In every field in the real world, early adopters SHOULD have advantages.
2. Early adopters MUST keep their BTC forever to REALIZE alleged advantages. However, it's hard to do so, just as it's hard to keep stocks of Mircosoft more than 20 years.
3. If you participate bitcoin community right now, when no more than 1/3 of total BTC distributed, then you ARE one of early adopters, but do you think you have HUGE advantage than followers?
4. Could you find out a way to distribute BTC "fairer" then current system?




Your bitcoin get stolen, you sold your bitcoin, bitcoin didn't really works out, the business you started eats your wallet.dat, etc.
1257  Economy / Economics / Re: Ayn Rand quote on: July 16, 2011, 01:30:17 AM
Novelty can only be founded upon the fundamentals of life. Should we be forever indebted to the man that founded eating?

Oh but according to most people's whims and desires that should be excluded but it's still under the realm of intellectual property. It's still an idea that would deserve protection if IP was absolute.

Dude, they don't care.

Instead, you should become a badass entrepreneur that proves them wrong.
1258  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: There Can Only Be One on: July 16, 2011, 01:19:00 AM
Where does your vote lie?

Atlas, I don't really care for these kind of thread where you are preaching to the choir.
1259  Other / Meta / Synaptic Polluting Thread and the Ignore Button on: July 16, 2011, 01:17:01 AM
Though there is a risk of ignoring things we don't want to hear..there are some people who sprout poor quality craps.

One person is Synaptic. While I am grateful for him for promoting my comics through trolling, I am not grateful for pollution where I am attempting to solve a quality issue with my comics.
1260  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is This Bitcoin Weekly Comic Crap? on: July 16, 2011, 01:05:13 AM
If you want quality you can start by dumping that shitty self-made script you use for the website and install wordpress(or joomla, or drupal, or) on the server.
Next, get a free theme for you chosen script, i'm sure even the shitiest free theme is better that what you have there.

That have nothing to do with content or the quality of the comics. You just hate the site's look. I agree that the site can be improved and that there are many things to improve in the software, but I am not throwing out the editing process that was core to how Bitcoin Weekly works.

Stylistic improvement can be done easily enough with rails. I just need to get my ass to it.
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Next, dump disqus, enough datamining, k?


Meh. I like it. Don't want to maintain a commenting system. Though who care about privacy are already blocking it.

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Last, get someone that knows what a joke is to write the text for the comics.

Where would I get this legendary writer? I bet all of them are writing their funny and hilarious comics.
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Was this constructive enough, or are you just going to tell me to GTFO like you did to everybody else?

Most of the criticism have nothing to do with the comics.
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