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621  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Statement about the suspect of recent Bitcoinica hack on: July 26, 2012, 11:00:07 PM
Im living in Victoria, Australia and I could go and visit mr zhou tong  Smiley
Yeah, planning that on a public forum sounds like a really smart idea too.

Just because they're planning a whacking on the forum, doesn't mean they have the guts to do it.

Nonetheless, the Bitcoinica fiasco does seems to bring the worst out of people.
622  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: *RED FLAG* Intersango on: July 26, 2012, 08:45:34 PM
Don't exchanges get their bank accounts frozen all the time every two weeks?
623  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Statement about the suspect of recent Bitcoinica hack on: July 26, 2012, 06:11:44 PM

That does not mean authorities shouldn't investigate this affair to determine his guilt.

Else no crime ever would be investigated. Innocent until proven else does not mean immunity to investigation.

Didn't say anything else, my friend. I wish an investigation happens as quickly as possible.
624  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: This is not a kangaroo court - innocent until proven guilty on: July 26, 2012, 06:08:18 PM
Genjix is probably not talking because "he stopped yapping and got lawyered up."
625  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Discussing legal tactics in a public forum on: July 26, 2012, 06:04:31 PM

I've noticed posts discussing options for asset protection, knives, broken legs, laundering, dealing with the police, and very specific court tactics. Some of these may be genuine good-hearted effort, some of it is thieves spreading FUD. Both help assholes get away with stolen goods.


Here is a simple legal advice: stop yapping and talk to your lawyers. It might help assholes get away, but it also help innocent protect themsleves.
626  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Statement about the suspect of recent Bitcoinica hack on: July 26, 2012, 05:55:25 PM
i seriously doubt Zhou could've "discovered" all this info and forced a confession in less than 6h from Aurumexchanges Public announcement.

Me too, but I am going to keep giving Zhou the benefit of the doubt no matter how unlikely it sounds until he's either convicted or innocent.
627  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Public STATEMENT Regarding Bitcoinica account hack at MtGox on: July 26, 2012, 07:09:22 AM
I would say it is wise for someone to press criminal charges in Singapore immediately(that is where he is living right?), fraud/embezzelment/money laundering (this is what it's called when you transfer money "for a friend", lots of USD involved not just bitcoin), doesn't really matter. He should have his passport taken from him by the police to prevent him fleeing as once he is back in Main land China or another country it will be very difficult to catch him.

AFAIK, he attends school in Australia.
628  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Public STATEMENT Regarding Bitcoinica account hack at MtGox on: July 26, 2012, 07:03:23 AM
Meh. Wisdom comes with age.  

I am not much older than Zhou Tong is. I am only 21. I believe wisdom is often obtained by learning of others' experience. (Mybitcoin hack incident, bitcoinica hack incident, etc)

After the last theft, I secure all my online bitcoin accounts with 2 factor authentication.
629  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Public STATEMENT Regarding Bitcoinica account hack at MtGox on: July 26, 2012, 06:54:07 AM

Considering the number of elements published so far, the criminal behind this is someone with really close ties to Bitcoinica and/or you. We have some more evidence that we haven't published so far but also points in that direction.

We will comply (and I am sure AurumXchange will too) with any investigation aiming at solving this mess.

Can you confirm or deny that a police investigation is ongoing?
630  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Public STATEMENT Regarding Bitcoinica account hack at MtGox on: July 26, 2012, 06:49:44 AM

There's no reason that I'd forgo my integrity and all the reputation for just $200,000 at such a young age. I was working very hard for my new project (and a new homepage design will be deployed today) and it's simply outside my attention to commit such a thing.

I'll commit any reasonable effort to get justice back.

Now, if you really are innocent, you seem to have exercised very poor judgement about pretty much everything.(your friend, not taking advice of security professionals, etc) And if you're cleared, you still have the reputation of high integrity, but nobody would ever trust you because you lack wisdom. (At least, I wouldn't)
631  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Public STATEMENT Regarding Bitcoinica account hack at MtGox on: July 26, 2012, 06:44:24 AM

I'll try to ask my friend if he's okay with publicizing the related transactions, or I can wait until the investigation is concluded (or the real hacker being found).

Anyway I have already sent out the certified copy of my AML documents and they should arrive in 2-3 days. I hope my Mt. Gox account can be unblocked then.

No offense, you should shut up and get a lawyer? Well, if you're still posting after that, I doubt no advice will help you now.
632  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Public STATEMENT Regarding Bitcoinica account hack at MtGox on: July 26, 2012, 06:00:53 AM
Stunned that anybody can suspend dis-belief in this matter to even type the words that Zhou might be innocent in this. Scammer Boy just got caught red-handed, time for some biblical justice to get served up.

Everybody have the right to a trial and due process of law, no matter how douchebag or guilty a person is.
633  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Public STATEMENT Regarding Bitcoinica account hack at MtGox on: July 26, 2012, 05:59:43 AM

I believe it can be a fine, imprisonment or caning. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_in_Singapore

Wikipedia article doesn't contains the word "embezzlement".
634  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-07-25 various - (regulator hits 'brazillian bitcoin investment group') on: July 26, 2012, 05:49:39 AM
This is probably going to be considered "a big deal"


"CVM suspende oferta irregular de investimento em moeda virtual‎"
 - http://br.noticias.yahoo.com/cvm-suspende-oferta-irregular-investimento-moeda-virtual-201946365.html
 - http://oglobo.globo.com/economia/cvm-suspende-oferta-irregular-de-investimento-em-moeda-virtual-5585121


"CVM suspende veiculação de oferta de fundos por Leandro Marciano César"
 - http://monitormercantil.com.br/2012/index.php?pagina=Noticias&Noticia=116667

Big deal? It's all moonspeak to me.
635  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Public STATEMENT Regarding Bitcoinica account hack at MtGox on: July 26, 2012, 05:47:14 AM
I am thinking this could be a setup job by Zhou's 'friend'. Based on previous history, Zhou shows lot of integrity but not much "wise judgement".

But without evidence to back it up, it is a baseless speculation and we're relying on Zhou's word that it's a "friend". I hope a proper investigation will reveal more.
636  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Public STATEMENT Regarding Bitcoinica account hack at MtGox on: July 26, 2012, 05:39:06 AM
What is the punishment for theft in Singapore ?


Dunno. It's time to read up on the Singaporean legal system I guess. I am hoping when they do a trial, we will be able to see transparently every piece of evidence, opinions, etc, or something like that.
637  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Public STATEMENT Regarding Bitcoinica account hack at MtGox on: July 26, 2012, 05:33:00 AM
I'm gathering some information and a statement will be posted soon.

stevejobs807@gmail.com was indeed my email account used for anonymous testing purpose, however I haven't been using it for a long time. I'm logging in the account to check the suspicious activity and I'll post relevant details as well.

The $40,000 I exchanged at AurumXchange was indeed from a friend. Later I can also post proof that I exchanged another $30,000 at other exchanges during the same period. The total amount far exceeds the stolen amount claimed in the OP. My own Liberty Reserve account number is U7097615.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt until the very end even if nobody else will, but it is up to you to defend yourself.
638  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Public STATEMENT Regarding Bitcoinica account hack at MtGox on: July 26, 2012, 05:23:58 AM
To be honest that comes out not as big as a surprise....  Roll Eyes

The only question I have is: Why wasn't that information made public sooner?

They were...investigating? I mean, we are talking about a prominent bitcoin community member who have a big reputation(which is now busted). Would you accuse a person who seems so trustworthy without a lot of investigating? I think not.
639  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Public STATEMENT Regarding Bitcoinica account hack at MtGox on: July 26, 2012, 05:19:55 AM
Zhou admitted on here the other day that he sold a large amount of Liberty Reserve following the hack - people had already noticed the transactions and asked him about them.  He said he did it "for a friend".

Can you extract the log saying why he did it?
640  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Public STATEMENT Regarding Bitcoinica account hack at MtGox on: July 26, 2012, 05:14:18 AM
Sigh... kiba, what say you now?

You can quibble over my judgement over previous line of evidence, but now I updated my belief about this incident to 80%(and increasing) probability of an inside job.

However, I will assume Zhou Tong innocent until the legal proceeding is resolved or Zhou Tong admit to the theft.
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