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441  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL upgrade now offered on 5ghz orders.(screenshot) on: May 29, 2013, 07:28:46 AM
If you ever wanna see a a refund, better get it now, they obviously won't be able to cover for everyone.
You know they have been paying 25 employees, suppliers, facilities, Josh's life insurrance, a few Nexus 7 and fans, etc. for over a year using your "pre-order" money, right ?

It would be against the law if they touch my pre-order money. Unless they shipped my unit, they are not allowed to do so.

Once BFL goes belly up it will be interesting to see if they've broken this law.
442  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: [POLL] Should Butterfly Labs (BFL) get a Scammer tag? on: May 29, 2013, 07:25:41 AM
I'm not sure if this is completely intentional on BFL's part, but it makes one think very hard about what BFL's game is.

My theory for their incredible amount of dilettantism is this: There's no pressure on BFL, because they already have our money.
They have enough venture capital and pre order money for another six months(?). Another year(?). Who knows. I assume Josh & Sonny grant themselves a princely salary (say $800,000 per year) because they are such high potentials  Roll Eyes.

Once this money is gone, and/or no more new money comes in, because even hillbillies understood that difficulty made BFLs devices unprofitable, BFL is history.

Once BFL goes belly up, prosecutors can't find anything unlawful, because BFL tried as best as they could to bring ASICS to the market. Oh noes, who could have know that they fuck up each and every step? It was just another startup that failed, right? ...

And a nice addition from user "dropt": "You forgot the part where they sell a copy of the mask to a newly formed tech company for pennies on the dollar in efforts to balance the books and stave off bankruptcy.  As BFL implodes, said newly founded tech company starts a massive solo mining asic farm."
443  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL upgrade now offered on 5ghz orders.(screenshot) on: May 28, 2013, 10:10:52 AM
Wouldn't it be smarter to avoid developing a prototype and paying for the ASIC mask if the goal is to con people? I mean, why bother now when they can actually make more money selling the product which is already out there.

My theory for their incredible amount of dilettantism is this: There's no pressure on BFL, because they already have our money.
They have enough venture capital and pre order money for another six months(?). Another year(?). Who knows. I assume Josh & Sonny grant themselves a princely salary (say $800,000 per year) because they are such high potentials  Roll Eyes.

Once this money is gone, and/or no more new money comes in, because even hillbillies understood that difficulty made BFLs devices unprofitable, BFL is history.

Once BFL goes belly up, prosecutors can't find anything unlawful, because BFL tried as best as they could to bring ASICS to the market. Oh noes, who could have know that they fuck up each and every step? It was just another startup that failed ...
444  Local / Mining (Deutsch) / Re: Fuck You BFL on: May 27, 2013, 05:01:36 PM


Jesse Seaver von The Huffington Post hat vor zwei Wochen auch schon was geschrieben:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jesse-seaver/the-great-bitcoin-debate_b_3294847.html

Zitat:

Anonymous Miner: Mining Bitcoins has become an arms race against time. (Well, it always was, but now the big guys are in, with the big guns.)

Butterfly Labs might promise to deliver in two weeks ("two weeks" is their standard reply), but if you (pre)order now it might be end of 2013 til you get your hardware. Because of companies like Avalon (they plan to throw hundreds of thousands of ASIC chips on the market around August 2013 and have already sold 490,000 by now), the difficulty will be sky high by then. In my opinion, Latecomers won't even make their investment back, not to mention making any profit.


445  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL upgrade now offered on 5ghz orders.(screenshot) on: May 25, 2013, 09:07:37 PM
It looks like to me that they are selling a 2nd 2Ghs box for $100?!?

If that is true then that is a much better deal that the 300Mhs USB thingy for 2 BTC.

If it is a 2nd box then maybe they have a supply of rejects that don't meet the needed performance and are trying to recoup some of the loss in building them?

Selling: yes
Shipping: no
446  Local / Mining (Deutsch) / Re: Fuck You BFL on: May 25, 2013, 09:03:30 PM
Für 100$ kann man die Jalapenos jetzt um 2 Gh/s aufwerten  Grin

Ja das schlägt dem Faß so langsam den Boden aus!

BFL ist fast ein Jahr zu spät mit der Auslieferung, die Teile verbrauchen viel mehr Strom aus versprochen. Da wäre es angebracht, wenn sie, als Entschädigung, den Leuten den Upgrade umsonst geben würden.

BFL_Josh/Inaba hat ja immer groß herumgetönt sie würden locker alles überbieten was Avalon vorlegt, würden ihre Kunden nicht enttäuschen. Ihre Produkt hätten so viel Spielraum und wären so gut zu übertakten.

Alles Blödsinn!

BFL macht sich jeden Tag ein Stückchen unbeliebter.
447  Local / Mining (Deutsch) / Re: Fuck You BFL on: May 24, 2013, 10:36:47 AM
Ne, Geld verdienen haben die nicht im Sinn. Das ist kein Geschäftssinn. Wenn sie den hätten, hätten sie bereits ihre Produkte draussen und hätten Preorders für kleine 500gh/s miners angenommen

Ne Moment, genau anders herum: Die haben (hatten?) nur Geldverdienen im Sinn.

Was gibt es für BFL für einen Anreiz zu liefern? Unser Geld haben sie ja schon. Und es kommt jeden Tag genug neues dazu von Leuten die auf den (abgefahrenen) Zug aufspringen.
448  Local / Mining (Deutsch) / Re: Fuck You BFL on: May 24, 2013, 08:49:24 AM
Noch wäre es nicht zu spät.

Leute ich versteh euch nicht. Wir könnten alle stinkreich sein, hätte BFL, wie versprochen, im Oktober geliefert. Block Reward bei 50, Difficulty bei 1/5 vom jetzigen Wert, ...

Und trotzdem ist es OK für euch?
449  Other / Meta / Re: Petition: BFL should no longer be allowed to advertise here on: May 24, 2013, 08:43:28 AM
+1
450  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: [POLL] Should Butterfly Labs (BFL) get a Scammer tag? on: May 24, 2013, 08:42:41 AM
I made the following post last July in which I indicated it made NO SENSE how BFL could make power/speed claims on ASICs without actually developed them.

Dude! You annoy BFL sheeple since one year? No wonder your Ignore button is dark orange  Grin
451  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: May 23, 2013, 09:42:57 AM
Anyone has experience with MtGox wire transfer withdrawal (non-SEPA)?  What's the typical delay like?
1 day

Not sure. A month or two ago everybody wanted in. People queued up to get verified to finally be able to purchase some of this strange Internet money.

Not it seems a lot of people want out - and can't.
452  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Are MtGox withdrawls delayed to artificially keep the Bitcoin price high? on: May 23, 2013, 09:40:32 AM
To make more profit

 Roll Eyes
453  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Are MtGox withdrawls delayed to artificially keep the Bitcoin price high? on: May 23, 2013, 09:21:55 AM
You only woke up today? Mtgox is overpricing bitcoins for weeks, communicating positive news to mislead investors...

Good Morning  Wink

Yes, I know that.

But I want to know the reason why.
454  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Are MtGox withdrawls delayed to artificially keep the Bitcoin price high? on: May 23, 2013, 08:40:06 AM
They care about bitcoin price as long as they are getting they fees in bitcoins. But they are worried more about trade volume than price. If the price would be $100000000 and one person would buy 1 satoshi then they wont get the same profit than thousands of people trading constantly for $100.

Aren't you a smartass (again)?

Volume ... that goes without saying.

It's hard for MtGox to get the volume up (they can't lower their fees much more, already sub 1%). But they can keep the price high.

Can we now please go back OT? Which is, in essence: ... Is this the reason why Bitcoin on MtGox is always between 5 and 10 percent higher compared to all the other exchanges (like btc-e, bitcoin.de, ...)?

455  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Are MtGox withdrawls delayed to artificially keep the Bitcoin price high? on: May 23, 2013, 08:01:47 AM
So you are saying that if i have $1000 to buy bitcoins and bitcoin price is $1 (1000btc bought fee is 50btc=$50) then mtgox will get less fee than if price would be $100 per btc (10btc bought fee 0,5btc=$50)? You missed math lessons or what?

Aren't you a smartass?

Let me explain it very simple, so that even you have a chance to understand it.

This is the Bitcoin cake (aka market capitalization):



MtGox has a big, big piece of this cake (fees).

Now the task for you:
(1) How big do you think was this piece in June 2012 (when Bitcoin was at 5$)?
(2) How big do you think was this piece in April 2013 (when Bitcoin was at 250$)?

And now go tell me again: MtGox does not care about the Bitcoin price ...
456  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [UPDATE] BFL ASIC Status (May 23 2013) on: May 23, 2013, 07:42:34 AM
Quote from: BFL Josh
Our chips consume about 3 - 3.5w per GH/s at the chip level, ...

The devices use 6 Watt per GH/s (according to kano).

For a 50GH/s units that's 300 Watt. 150 Watt for the chips (according to Joshs numbers) and 150 Watt for "the rest" of the circuitry.

The heatsink sits directly in the chips - so they should be fine.

But "the rest" will be a problem: Dissipating 150 Watt of heat with no heatsink mounted will definitely cause problems.


Quote from: BFL Josh
Cooling will not be an issue with these units and they will be fairly quiet to run if you are in a cool environment.

Not a problem? I guess Josh is right here, because the day we'll receive our BFL units is when Hell freezes over ("in two weeks"®).

457  Economy / Service Discussion / Are MtGox withdrawls delayed to artificially keep the Bitcoin price high? on: May 23, 2013, 07:05:45 AM
Three facts:
- Deposit of USD and EUR to a MtGox account works without any problems.
- Withdrawal of Bitcoins works without any problems.
- Withdrawal of USD or EUR is problematic (it takes several weeks). So all you can do is buy back your Bitcoins, transfer them to another exchange and sell them there.

So in essence all you can do at MtGox is the transformation of USD to Bitcoin. Which means MtGox is not really a free market (because they are backing up Bitcoin).

One way to keep prices high is to "artificially" slow down the outflow of USD/EUR/etc.

Is this the reason why Bitcoin on MtGox is always between 5 and 10 percent higher compared to all the other exchanges (like btc-e, bitcoin.de, ...)?

MtGox has a vested interest to keep Bitcoin prices up (higher price means more fees for them). Of course all the other exchanges have that interest too - but maybe they are not abusing their market power as shameless as MtGox does.

MtGox has 80 percent? 90 percent? of the Bitcoin cake. They can't generate more income with growth. But they can generate more income in making the price go up and up and up ...
458  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: May 22, 2013, 10:22:25 PM
8. Apr. -- 12.500,00 €
9. Apr. -- 5.880,00 €
9. Apr. -- 7.850,00 €




8. Apr. -- 12.500,00 €
9. Apr. -- 5.880,00 €
9. Apr. -- 7.850,00 €


all of these arrived on may 21st.

 Shocked Shocked Shocked

MtGox says on their homepage: "Due to the daily withdrawal limits imposed by our European bank, all fund transfers to SEPA accounts in Europe may take up to 3 weeks.".

So not even this is true.

459  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN][PWC][POOL][PPLNS][STRATUM][1% FEE] Silverwolf's PWC Pool on: May 22, 2013, 07:41:27 PM
You should go away and stop hijacking this thread.  Also, i'm putting you on ignore now.

You should stop scamming people. Putting me on ignore doesn't make it any better ...

People, go use this pool: http://pwcpool.erundook.net/ Works much better.
460  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN][PWC][POOL][PPLNS][STRATUM][1% FEE] Silverwolf's PWC Pool on: May 22, 2013, 07:13:58 PM

Yes, but I did not swear at you.  And that's 5 cents I have to pay for.  The PPLNS payout method on this site pays out over 500,000 shares.  It is set this way for a reason, not by accident.

Now take the 5 cents you got without earning it and go away please.

Obviously you have no idea how PPLNS works  Grin

Because my "Estimated Per Payout" is still at 1.33575798 you will get your 5 Cent automatically back. And much more than that!

So what should I call you know? I liar? An idiot? A scammer?
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