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961  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Development Status [Batch #1] on: January 05, 2013, 08:53:26 AM
The BFL pre-mature ejaculation image which you saw fit to edit out was one of the more amusing (and 'apropos') ones to have graced in a while.  And the production quality exceeded that of many.

PuertoLibre forgot to mention that he borrowed it from Butterflylabs Forums: Contest: Ad Week 2 Little Single SC Giveaway
962  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Development Status [Batch #1] on: January 04, 2013, 11:25:09 AM
Somehow PuertoLibre and Inaba seem to need each other.

Like with Batman and Joker.

But it's more like Jokeman and Bonker.

963  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Development Status [Batch #1] on: January 03, 2013, 07:05:04 PM
If you want to go on believing, in the face of thousands of documents to the contrary, that China does not have an IP protection problem, you go right on ahead. ...

I fear I have to agree with you on this one  Grin

There is this saying here: "Germans invent something - and then try to make it better. Chinese copy something - and then try to make it cheaper".

Here some pictures of re-engineered copied cars.

Lifan 320:

BMW Mini Cooper
964  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: ASICs The Obvious Question on: January 02, 2013, 09:00:21 PM
There is still a scenario possible noone has mentioned. Citibank, jpmorgan paypal, or another large bank pays BFL for their first batch to 50% attack bitcoin.

This thought also crossed my mind Smiley ... not that BFL would do such a thing, but the big banks could pull off such a stunt themselves. Investing 10 mio USD is peanuts for them. They could develop ASICs themselves, start a 51% attack - and Bitcoin is history.

See here:
965  Other / Off-topic / Re: Top 10 reasons why BFL will postpone their January 2013 shipping date on: January 02, 2013, 08:47:22 PM
I fear we have to wait two more weeks to get the #1 reason for the next delay (from Josh himself) Wink

BFL_Josh: "Yes, I hope to have an update with good news sometime during the week of the 13th (probably before that, though)."
966  Other / Off-topic / Top 10 reasons why BFL will postpone their January 2013 shipping date on: January 01, 2013, 04:52:52 PM
I start:

#10: "Scientists just found out that the Chinese New Year will be unusually long this year. It will start in October 2012 and end in June 2013. I swear to god we will start shipping 1st of July."

[EDIT 16th Jan 2013]:

And the winner is: BFL_Josh of course!

We had our ASICs ready waaaaaaaay back in 2012 [yeah, right. LOL], but we decided not to ship and redesign our product so that we can give you guys muuuuuuuuch better devices. We just need 30 days more (as usual). Honest Abe.

Long: (attention, lots of blah blah blah)

Hello everyone. It's been about a month since our last update and it's high time we had another, since we have lots of information to share this time around.

 To start off with, our chip production is going well. I am traveling to our packaging facility in California on Wednesday the 16th of January to do a walk through with the lead developer on our ASIC team as well as speak with some of the engineers to make sure everyone is on the same page. We have confirmed with the fab directly (not through any intermediaries) that our chips will be done no later than the 31st of January and ready for delivery. I will be at the foundry prior to that date to speak with some of the engineers and accept delivery of a portion of the chips to hand deliver to our packaging facility. This means our delivery date is expected the week of the 10th of February. We know it's not the end of October and we want to deeply apologize for the delays. However, I think that once you get to the end of this post many people will understand why we've been delayed and hopefully how it will ultimately benefit all of our customers a great deal. So please, read on!

 So, I know the question first and foremost on everyone's mind (besides when we are shipping) is "Why are we delayed so long?"

 Several things have happened to push us out from our target date... most things have been minor, but they have added up and I have detailed many of them in previous updates and on various threads throughout the forums. However, the biggest delay we've incurred has been twofold:

We absolutely, positively want to ship a chip that works perfectly. We don't want to send a chip that has problem or limitations. To that end, we have made some optimizations to the final layers of silicon that we feel will benefit everyone going forward due to point two:
The biggest single reason for the delay is due to a package change.

 When we announced the delay last month, we decided to go back and switch from our QFN package to a flip chip BGA (FCBGA) package.

 This necessitated a lot of changes with regards to the PCB and packaging (obviously) and caused us to really scramble to make things happen in a reasonable time frame. We did this for a number of reasons, but primarily it was due to heat concerns. Our chips would have functioned as currently spec'd within our thermal tolerances, but we would have very little thermal headroom to really crank things up. With an eye towards the future, we decided to bite the bullet and release a product that is ready for the long haul as opposed to releasing something now that would require exotic cooling to be pushed past 80 GH/s or so.

 When redesigning things, we have made some various internal changes that may cause our power usage to potentially rise slightly beyond our original spec, and we are still tweaking things from other angles to bring power usage back down. Originally, we were at about .8w per GH (Yes, we built 20% into our announcements) and we are estimating that it's possible that a worst case scenario would lead to a bit under 1.2w per GH. If that ends up being the case, then yes we will have missed our power targets and yes we will gladly pay out the bounty. However, at less than 72 watts for 60 GH/s, it's still more than 5x better than any other product. However, we still believe that our .8w / GH target is what we will ship, but we like to prepare for the worst case scenario.

 I will post more information once I have a better handle on our power usage.

 I am sure many people may wonder why a flip chip BGA package is better than a QFN package (and are likely wondering what exactly is the difference, but that is a discussion for another thread). In a nutshell, our QFN package has plastic on top of it. Plastic is a terrible conductor of heat, so the heat stays trapped in the chip and shed out through vias on the bottom of the board. In extreme situations, where there's lots of heat and the vias can't handle the load you end up with heat migration to places you really don't want it to be, such as the ground plane, etc... and this affects surrounding components. With a flip chip BGA package, the chip is essentially flipped over and filled with silicon on top. Silicon is an excellent thermal conductor, so the heat has no problems being shunted away from the rest of the system. With our top mounted HSF, this makes a huge impact. Originally we had potentially planned on doing a bottom mounted HSF and using the vias. It turned out that the vias could not handle the thermal load and heat would migrate all along our thermal and ground planes and had the potential to overheat a number of other components. At 60 GH/s, heat was still within thermal tolerances, but only barely. If you were in an unusually hot environment, it could potentially cross the thermal threshold and the unit would start to fail and/or throttle. Switching to this new package essentially completely eliminates this, as almost all of the heat can be wicked away through the top of the chip, leaving the board and surrounding components completely cool.

 If you are wondering what a flip chip package looks like, many (most) laptop or otherwise permanently mounted CPUs are Flip Chip BGA packaging (FCBGA). In retrospect, of course this is the route we should have gone, but we believed at the time that the QFN package was adequate for our needs. Hindsight is great for making predictions and if we knew then what we knew now... but that aside, we are almost to the end of the right track now. The QFN package is not suitable for dense, high speed bitcoin mining applications. Much like the toggle rate issue in the FPGA era, issues that are not normally a problem for traditional ASIC applications become monster issues when the bitcoin beast sinks it's teeth into them, surprising and biting engineers in the butt. The only way to find some of these things out is to get bitten by them, since this is new territory for everyone.

 In other news, we are implementing a queuing system in the MCU of our units, to allow multiple jobs to be queued up. This should prevent any communication latency bottlenecks. It was an often requested feature, so we are happy to say that we will be headed in that direction. With the announcement of our new Android based mining application, I want to confirm that we are in contact with developers of the other major mining applications, BFGMiner, CGminer and Bitminter. We will be sending development units to them for integration and testing as soon as we can and we are confident all three mining applications, in addition to our own Easyminer and Android miner will be ready for our units when we ship.

 I have often fielded the question as to if Chinese New Year will affect our shipping. No, Chinese New Year it will not affect us. We have all of our parts needed to build the units in stock, with the exception of the chips. We have taken delivery of all of our Chinese made components at this time and they are filling up our warehouse and the assembly plant warehouse. Our fab is not located in China and our chips will be done before CNY in any event. Our packaging plant is located in California and obviously not affected by CNY, our assembly house is located in the US and thus also not affected.

With regards to upgrading your shipping, our new system should be online this week. Once we are comfortable with it, you should be able to email or phone us to upgrade your shipping to DHL, EMS, FedEx or UPS as your convenience. Email is best of course, and probably the fastest way to start the process. We have been working with Bitpay to get the ability to send non-time dependent invoices to customers and we are now able to do that, so if you want to pay in BTC, we can send you an invoice which can be paid any time as opposed with within 15 minutes. This will make upgrading your shipping or products much easier on everyone.

 Our new manufacturing facility is almost complete. We will be posting a video walk through hopefully by the end of the week so that you can see the facility and all the parts we have, ready and waiting for the chips to finish baking (Mmmm delicious chips). We will accept visitors, but please call before you decide to drop by so that we know when to expect you and can make time to show you around. We are (understandably) very busy right now and I do not want to turn anyone away because everyone is already engaged with other tasks. I will be traveling a lot, as will several other members of our team, so make sure we are there if you want to talk to us about anything.

 I have been in contact with both Yochdog and Kano and have a tentative date scheduled for their visit. I will be confirming dates with both of them later this week and arranging the travel plans as soon as we have everything nailed down.

 I am often asked the question "If I order now, when do you expect my order to ship." This is a hard question to answer, since we don't know exactly how long it takes to assemble a unit. However, the best estimate we have for this is that if you order today, 13 January 2013, you would likely receive your order around the middle of March or possibly sooner if you're ordering a Jalapeno or a Single. Minirigs take much more time to build than the other product lines, so they will take longer to deliver. However, without actually going through a bulk assembly process, we aren't sure what the major bottle necks will be. We can do estimates and we have strived for simplicity in everything related to the SC line. To that end, it requires 4 screws per Jalapeno and 6 screws per Single. Assembly of these units should take less than 5 minutes (probably around 3 minutes) per unit, so working through our pre-order backlog should be very quick. It will take more time to box and label them than it will to assemble them. The March ship date is a worst case scenario and it's entirely possible you would get your unit much sooner than that.
967  Bitcoin / Hardware / [Archive] BFL trolling museum on: January 01, 2013, 03:55:28 PM
You are so predictable, Josh. Your defensive postings all follow the same pattern:

a) First lines and lines of jabbering not related to the subject at all.
b) Second: insulting the opponent.
c) Then, once you are caught lying, you play down the issue.

So here we go:

a) Jabbering: "Tell me what all those posts ... yadda yadda yadda ..."
b) Insults: "... being too stupid to understand your ass from a hole in the ground ..."
c) Play down the issue: "... find the 3 posts that have been deleted, out of 8700... "

In fact there a way more than only 3 deleted posts. And you know that!

I never said it's only 3 posts that got deleted. I said I give you 3 examples of deleted posts. You do know the meaning of the word "example", don't you?

One is especially embarrassing for you: You share some of your superficial knowledge (hashing power of PS3 miners), a guy corrects you - and you delete his posting. Because your bloated ego can't bear being wrong.
968  Bitcoin / Hardware / [Archive] BFL trolling museum on: December 31, 2012, 10:29:51 PM
Yeah, one whole post deleted!  Left and right!  OMG!

There are actually quite a few deleted posts!

Once in a while, when I read butterflylabs forums, I take a screenshot of postings where I think "oh oh buddy, you gonna get deleted for what you just posted". Quite often those posting are really gone a few hours later.

Here are just 3 examples.

Now who's the liar Josh?

Example 1

I was pleasantly surprised to see some critical posts on Which made me think: Josh has been put on a leash (again) - and the days of censorship are over.

Unfortunately it seems they are still deleting posts. Just not every critical post. I assume it's because there are simply to many of them - and they don't dare to delete them all (-> too many people would complain about censorship).

This one is gone by now. Question for BFL/Josh/Inaba: What was so bad about it that it had to be deleted?

Example 2

Another one bites the dust ... Wink

Thou shall not doubt the all-knowing Josh/Inaba, or stop him from spreading rubbish. Or you get deleted. Like this fella here:

A playstation 3?

... and it's gone:

Example 3

I was just searching for shipment updates on BFLs forum, reading this thread here:

Taking a snapshot, because I sort of assumed that this one would be deleted rather quickly. And I was right. It's gone now.

Which makes me think: Are we in f*cking China?!?! Censorship at it's best ...

Hey SLok & Inaba: eryngi is of course another one of Frizz23 fake accounts, right?

969  Bitcoin / Hardware / [Archive] BFL trolling museum on: December 30, 2012, 11:46:09 PM
Ups, sorry wachtwoord. That was coincidence  Wink

Let me pick another one ...

970  Bitcoin / Hardware / [Archive] BFL trolling museum on: December 30, 2012, 11:40:41 PM
Whoa, they stopped the contest? Why?

They replaced it with a new contest: They asked the asshamster army to create advertisements for BFL.

The contest is now closed. And I assume there won't be a second round since the submissions where really pathetic  Grin

971  Bitcoin / Hardware / [Archive] BFL trolling museum on: December 30, 2012, 04:27:46 PM

Still funny  Grin ... not as funny as last week. And the week before. But still OK.
972  Bitcoin / Hardware / [Archive] BFL trolling museum on: December 30, 2012, 04:17:39 PM
The original and repeated rookied' post you refer to was from 11-19, dumb-ass.

Yes we all know that, my little dim asshamster friend.

11-19 was where you still believed BFL would ship in November. Or at least first week of December.

So, besides embarrassing yourself, what's your point? Probably you don't have one - as usual ...

Why do you still have this BFL asshamster signature? Their signature contests are long gone ...
973  Bitcoin / Hardware / [Archive] BFL trolling museum on: December 30, 2012, 04:00:41 PM
Hello SLok, nice to hear from you again my little asshamster friend Wink

I just now realized that it's your posting where rooKiED (of course one of my trillion fake identities) replied to. You wrote: "So, what month are we in? Come back complaining December maybe, although they already updated to maybe first week of December for first shipping.".

So ... what month are we in?  Grin Grin Grin
974  Bitcoin / Hardware / [Archive] BFL trolling museum on: December 30, 2012, 01:42:16 PM
I was pleasantly surprised to see some critical posts on Which made me think: Josh has been put on a leash (again) - and the days of censorship are over.

Unfortunately it seems they are still deleting posts. Just not every critical post. I assume it's because there are simply to many of them - and they don't dare to delete them all (-> too many people would complain about censorship).

This one is gone by now. Question for BFL/Josh/Inaba: What was so bad about it that it had to be deleted?
975  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Current ASIC miners on: December 27, 2012, 10:38:43 AM
BFL ... No-questions-asked lifetime warranty.

When I was a kid I always found it amazing how the Americans could give "lifetime warranties" for their marvellous products like teflon pans or Dyson vacuum cleaners. "Wow - a 80 year guarantee!!".

Until I realized that it's only for the lifetime of the product. And that a new version of that product can come within a couple of month.

For me this was very disillusioning.
976  Other / Off-topic / Re: BFL's ASIC on: December 27, 2012, 09:42:50 AM
Must have been 48 hours in Bitcoin time.

In BFL time it would be April 2013 Wink
977  Bitcoin / Hardware / [Archive] BFL trolling museum on: December 25, 2012, 11:22:28 PM
In Austria we call this time of the year, around Christmas, "die stade Zeit" (the quiet time). We meet family and friends, spend some quality time together.

Scanning through the forums it seems Inaba posts 3x as much as usual. Which made me think: Does he have no one to talk to in real life?
978  Bitcoin / Hardware / [Archive] BFL trolling museum on: December 25, 2012, 04:15:56 PM
You didn't even bother to address CoinHoarders question. 15 lines of jabbering and insults and hot air. Amazing for a PR guy. Every other company would have fired you weeks ago.

I don't get that you guys were supposed to start shipping in October, but you're just now moving into an office space that is big enough for assembly/shipping/sales in late December... and you haven't even completed construction.

I'm sorry Inaba, but that just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I'm not saying you're scamming anybody, but at the very least your business is ran very poorly from the outside looking in.

Yes, that's right.  You and all the other speculators don't get it because it's immaterial.  People like PG speculate with nothing but conjecture and then pronounce it as doctrine and try to convince everyone that this is the way it is.  What you, PG, PL etc... fail to understand is that BFL is not beholden to answering stupid, idiotic questions at every turn.  We are not beholden to individuals asking for information that has absolutely no bearing on anything even vaguely related to our products.  There is a long string of events that has lead us to where we are now and every single one of them has not been made public.  Why you and others think that we should make every single facet of our business public knowledge is beyond incredulous.  It's positively insane.  

You criticize us for not providing information, estimates, documents and disclosure.  So we provide that. Then you criticize us when what we've told you turns out to be different in the end because, gasp things change.  Situations change. Technology changes.  Information changes.  

What I find most telling, however, is the fact that the most vocal critics are the ones who have never accomplished anything in life.  They are on a forum, bitching about how bad BFL is... that is the extent of their contribution to the process.  They have never done anything like what we are doing, they will never do anything like what we are doing, but they have the temerity to bitch and whine.  So, once again, it begs the question:  If you can do better; if you think BFL does it so poorly... why aren't you doing it?  Why aren't you showing us how it's done?  Why aren't you raking in the dough with your business prowess?  Why... are you on a forum, verbally sparring with someone like me?  If BFL is so crappy, why does it dwarf all other vendors, combined several times over?  Yes, let me hear your answers, PG, CreativeX, Syke, Frizz, et al.  Let me hear why you choose not be successful and instead spend your time getting verbally abused by me instead?  

979  Bitcoin / Hardware / [Archive] BFL trolling museum on: December 24, 2012, 02:27:30 PM

LOL!! I like the Dutch and their sense of humour.

Maybe this video is still funny when it's January February March April and we still wait for BFL ASICs.
980  Other / Off-topic / Re: Fiscal Cliff Countdown Clock on: December 22, 2012, 10:44:28 PM
Maybe adding clock buffers would help?  Wink
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