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81  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I accidentally some user accounts on: April 04, 2011, 05:51:57 PM
The accounts are restored now.
82  Economy / Marketplace / Re: I am in the process of opening a Bitcoin-accepting computer hardware store... on: April 04, 2011, 01:03:21 PM
Competing with big suppliers sounds difficult. You could buy used stuff from ebayers and bitcoiners who are in need of quick money. Verify it works and resell with a profit margin.
83  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Awesome free state project open to bitcoin donations on: April 04, 2011, 08:43:35 AM
I think all of us were willing to take a look, and the eight pages of tough questions gave answers that most of us disliked. This initiative may succeed, but it seems that here, it's been largely rejected. Few of us are willing to donate to a project where people will be thrown into prison for pirating Windows or reinventing the wheel.

The laissez-faire policies described on the site are classical minarchism and many people here are surely fine with that. This IP thing divides opinions, but I think many libertarians would still prefer the relatively free state over less free states.

Onarchy, 100K is a lot of money to ask as donations. You'll need to convince people that the funds can actually be raised and things are really going to happen. A donation counter would be cool. Have you looked into Kickstarter or some other fundraising site that would allow donations on the condition that the required total amount will be reached?

Getting donations will surely be easier if the initial negotiations are successful. Having a bigger team of representatives for the project would help build confidence. This is a huge project for one person, and random internet guys don't know you well enough to trust that you can do it.
84  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Awesome free state project open to bitcoin donations on: April 04, 2011, 02:06:51 AM
I don't think IP laws are economically viable and thus they wouldn't exist if the law was formed in a free market process.

Laws are not formed in a free market process. E.g. laws against murder don't arise in a free market, a free market ASSUMES laws against murder. If you mean that laws are just like any other commodity then I am sure that you will be able to find societies where it is "economically viable" to enslave, say, 10% of the population and to murder another 10% who are not fit to contribute to society. 80% say so. That does however not make it right.

I'm not talking about the current system of centrally planned law, but polycentric free market law. Nobody would provide you an insurance that shields you from prosecution when you murdered somebody. That's just unsustainably expensive, like selling insurances that pay you for intentionally burning down your own house.

As you pointed out, making a law means to point guns at people. In a free market, laws would be rules that people are generally ready to enforce by pointing guns at others. I highly doubt that downloading a song from the internet would count. In a statist law monopoly people don't have to personally pay the costs of the laws they support and that's why we have stupid and invasive laws. I find the deduction of "rights" by complex philosophical argumentation quite uninteresting and useless.

Medieval Iceland, American settler communities and Somalia's Xeer are historical examples of polycentric common law, and they weren't violent dystopies but really efficient and peaceful systems compared to what we have now.

This is true, and as of today The Free State Initiative is the only project where Bitcoins will be accepted as a fully free and legal payment without any legal hindrances. The Free State Initiative currently accepts and a future Free State will accept donations in Bitcoins to show this. Yet, despite this not a single person in the Bitcoin-community has donated a single Bitcoin to the initiative. I find that very, very strange.

Thanks for using Bitcoin. I think people are waiting to see more discussion and generally get to know the project better before they donate.
85  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Awesome free state project open to bitcoin donations on: April 03, 2011, 06:58:28 PM
I don't think IP laws are economically viable and thus they wouldn't exist if the law was formed in a free market process. Ie. justice insurance companies wouldn't be willing to sell insurances that compensate for copying of your work without permission. But that's impossible to tell before we see a society based on free market common law.

Ok, I am now going to make a list of things that you will be able to do in the Free State that today is impossible in the United States or pretty much any country in the world:

- 100% privately owned roads
- 100% private health care
- 100% private education
- 100% private social security
- 100% private water and sewage
- 100% private airports and ports
- 100% private money (including Bitcoins) and free banking
- very close to 100% free immigration
- extremely low taxes, possibly zero (the goal is to have the Free State entirely financed by voluntary donations)
- zero regulations, other than that provided by private property

Anyway, I think this is a good enough reason to give it a try. It would still be way better than any other state in the world. IP laws can (hopefully) be changed later if they are found unjust.
86  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Awesome free state project open to bitcoin donations on: April 01, 2011, 02:22:45 PM
If this is going to be a special administrative division of some poor country, it means that the country's laws will still apply to some extent, and unfortunately, most poor countries are extremely unfree and oppressive when compared to the West.

I see the danger that this is going to become another UAE, where amongst other nasty things, you go to prison for being a rape victim, but hey, living under arbitrary state violence isn't so bad when you're not paying taxes, right?

Extinction of arbitrary state violence is a stated goal of the project. Of course it requires a major exemption from the enclosing country's laws.
87  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [PULL] Tonal Support on: April 01, 2011, 02:04:03 PM
(Note: you will need Tonal Git and a Tonal-capable browser to follow that link).

88  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Awesome free state project open to bitcoin donations on: April 01, 2011, 01:06:42 PM
Governments tend to get corrupted over decades (just like the US did), but yeah, I'd still give it a shot. At least it would be great as long as it lasts.

I hope you can get more people to work with the effort. That is of course easier when you get donations and there is progress in the negotiations.
89  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Redesign (mockups inside) on: April 01, 2011, 12:48:46 PM should be a simple site that says:

Welcome to the bitcoin!  This site is the community home of the development of bitcoin and related projects

If you are new to bitcoin, please visit our sister site

More detailed infomration and help can be found on our wiki:

We have a community forum at  and a IRC channel #bitcoin-dev on

To download the latest version of Bitcoin please visit out Sorceforge Page

This is better than redirecting straight to the wiki. Wanna make a pretty static html for this, anyone? Smiley Or find some free template.
90  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Awesome free state project open to bitcoin donations on: April 01, 2011, 11:58:30 AM
Sounds very interesting! Considering relations with foreign states, it could be a good strategic choice to have a nominal "government" even if the country was practically a free-market "anarchy".

I might be interested in donating euros when I know more about the project and the people behind it Smiley
91  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Redesign (mockups inside) on: April 01, 2011, 09:54:20 AM
Yeah, does a great job as an introductory site. is a good community portal and knowledge base. So what should be? Since is the number one search result, there should be at least some introductory stuff and downloads. "Less software and more currency" sounds good. We could translate it to as many languages as possible.
92  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: server admins wanted on: April 01, 2011, 08:44:35 AM
Thanks to all who have offered help. I'm going through the offers and will contact some of you. New volunteers are still welcome.
93  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Redesign (mockups inside) on: March 29, 2011, 12:41:48 PM
Tell me what you mean by 'really cool'.

Flattr, Mozilla and Dialogix for example. Or any site from here. is the most visible part of the project, so why settle for the second best? Smiley
94  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / I accidentally some user accounts on: March 28, 2011, 09:00:35 PM
While removing spammers, I accidentally clicked delete on a wrong row of users. Deleted accounts:

7594    ­­Atlas
6090    ­Satoshi
2993    !0suspectedof
707    .-_-.    .-_-.
4149    [Tycho]
447    0x0
7222    0x1
2817    0x6763
23    1 currency now
2970    1337.Gh0sT
3077    13fpigil
5785    1564649846846
867    168virak
518    17ujzChRb6VPQGyANVyktc1du
881    1kewlchicu2   
4424    1Pogo1
7245    200901001007
5309    200901001023
6296    200901001036
6259    200901001042
6491    200901001048
6258    200901001064
2585    30dirtybirds
6203    3opr
287    43554
5069    4isl0gru3
4246    4u2
3668    4u2guess

Damn sorry for that, better be more careful next time (and find other ways to counter spam).

I can restore the accounts from a database backup tomorrow.
95  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Redesign (mockups inside) on: March 28, 2011, 06:22:19 PM
Does it really need to be a durpal theme?

I can only work with HAML and SASS.

Drupal is useful mostly for translations, but if some other system can handle them, it's ok too. Some easy way to generate static or well cached pages would rock.
96  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Redesign (mockups inside) on: March 28, 2011, 03:14:55 PM
Bounty campaign or fundraiser sounds good. I created a bounty specification page on the wiki. Please contribute if you have good ideas.

Should we put the "Trade" and "FAQ" links to the front page content instead of navigation menu? Should we have the contact details on the front page, so we'd only need 1 page?

Should we have a news section? I'd say no and keep as a simple introductory page for newbies. Regular users can find news elsewhere.
97  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: server admins wanted on: March 28, 2011, 01:51:47 PM
Will this new person help get the front page redesign project back up and running?

Help with that is welcome too.
98  Economy / Marketplace / Re: special message for those chinese students on: March 28, 2011, 10:46:24 AM
I created a child board for the chinese students. Mods, please move the chinese threads there.
99  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Redesign (mockups inside) on: March 28, 2011, 10:29:16 AM
First of all, all of the designs (with all respect for their makers) are only better than average. No one looks like it should for a Bitcoin official site - stunning, yet simple. If we want to make a really good website, we have to try harder.

We already set up a bounty for animated movie for Bitcoin and it turned out great. Why not set up a bounty to hire a proffesional website designer? I personaly know a few that would do a really good job if paid well Smiley.

Edit: To clarify what "well" means - I guess around 600 - 800 BTC.

I'd like to offer 500 BTC for a really cool website. 250 BTC for semi-cool.
100  Bitcoin / Project Development / server admins wanted on: March 28, 2011, 10:21:58 AM
Anyone interested in helping out with We need someone who has the time and skill to optimize and manage a high-traffic server. The server should be made to easily withstand slashdotting and other major news coverage. We're currently running a LAMP on a Rackspace VPS, but the hosting can be changed if necessary.

It's fine if you want to do only the optimization part, but maintenance help is also very welcome. If you're interested, please post here or send me a PM to tell me about your experience, optimization ideas and how much time you have to spare.
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