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301  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] BFLS.RIG - BFL Hardware mining & Sales on: July 15, 2013, 12:57:19 PM
Still no news? Cry
302  Economy / Securities / Re: Active Mining Speculation Thread on: July 15, 2013, 12:34:51 PM
How short-sighted are these people selling at .0021? I picked up a few thousand more shares but I'm about as all-in on this venture as I'm going to get.

When there's only good news coming out, but the price still drops it's not short-shortsightedness, it's plain market manipulation that creates some panic selling.

See those huge "sell blocks" on BitFunder? It's just someone selling to himself, so that no shares/bitcoin change hands but it induces selling from others. There were no 25k+ bids to be filled in the first place, someone just created them and immediately sold shares to itself.

When unexperienced investors look at the big red volume bars they just panic.
303  Economy / Securities / Re: Stumbled over the amazing TAT.VIRTUALMINE on BitFunder on: July 15, 2013, 10:47:50 AM
This thing pays daily, DAILY!

Even as difficulty increases, at it's current price (BTC0.00369/share) with the current DAILY dividend payment (BTC0.00001922/share), that's over 0.5% return EACH DAY! %15 return EACH MONTH! and somewhere around 100% return for the year (granted the difficulty doesn't increase too much)... still it's a good buy now!

I just put in over 40 BTC into this and should see somewhere around BTC0.25 return for each of the next few days.

There is still a good chunk at a reasonable low price, below the initial IPO, but if you look at the dividends page, you see the proof of how is undervalued compared to other investments!

https://bitfunder.com/asset/TAT.VIRTUALMINE

Difficulty is increasing ~20% every ~10 days. Wink
304  Economy / Securities / Re: Active Mining Speculation Thread on: July 15, 2013, 10:10:20 AM
It would be awesome if the USD/BTC price just rose a bit more so that Ken could shutdown the wall at the flip of a switch! Grin
305  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread on: July 15, 2013, 10:03:53 AM
The price on BitFunder has a good margin to go up and down, as there are still lots of people that bought in at lower prices and are now selling for an immediate profit, nothing new here.

What boggles my mind is undercutting on btct.co, as all shares there are initially sold at .0025 and for the past days the outstanding shares have been increasing more than ever with a very positive outlook on getting the necessary NRE funds. Roll Eyes
306  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread on: July 15, 2013, 02:34:19 AM
Who else is looking at the way those ask orders are stacked, especially the ones after .00250, and thinking, hmmmm?

Tactics yes, but not sure its trading tactics.

I thought the same thing, looks a though someone is intentionally trying to keep the price down

Seems someone is flushing weak hands down to get more shares at a discount rate.
307  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread on: July 15, 2013, 02:00:11 AM
Is the 28nm chips that ACM will deliver the best thing on the market in the near future or is there a competition promising to deliver even more top notch stuff? (let's say this year)

KnC is also developing a 28nm 100GH/s (~250W) chip, expected for September, although it uses ~2.67x more power for the same hashrate (0.4GH/s/W vs. ActM's chip at 1.067GH/s/W).

When the NRE funds are gathered, ActM will have chips fully rolling out (e-beamed) in just 3 months.

What are the current plans for chip development?
ActiveMining is in the process of gathering necessary funds for paying NRE costs on its 28nm chip. We hope these funds to be gathered soon, so that chip production can start as soon as possible. Estimated dates after NRE payment are:
  • Chip samples delivered in 9 weeks;
  • Low-volume chip production starting in 12 weeks, using an e-beam process;
  • Normal volume chip production starting in 16-18 weeks.

Bitfury just got 1.2GH/s for 0.8 watts. How do you think that will play out?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYyrNhLwrn0

Using performance numbers, for 16GH/s, 13.333 of their chips are equal to 1 of ActM. Using power numbers, for 15W, 18.75 of their chips are equal to 1 of ActM. What about the price? Can they get 14-19 chips cheaper than ActM gets 1? Wink

What about when ActM transitions their chip to an easicopy high volume process, where the unit price is like a 1/3-1/4-1/5 of the nextreme price with even less power and more performance? Wink



And after ActM is in the eASIC boat, what about when eASIC gets out their next-gen 14nm in 1-2 years and all Ken has to do is give them a call and say "Convert our design to 14nm please"? Grin
308  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread on: July 14, 2013, 09:45:00 PM
Is the 28nm chips that ACM will deliver the best thing on the market in the near future or is there a competition promising to deliver even more top notch stuff? (let's say this year)

KnC is also developing a 28nm 100GH/s (~250W) chip, expected for September, although it uses ~2.67x more power for the same hashrate (0.4GH/s/W vs. ActM's chip at 1.067GH/s/W).

When the NRE funds are gathered, ActM will have chips fully rolling out (e-beamed) in just 3 months.

What are the current plans for chip development?
ActiveMining is in the process of gathering necessary funds for paying NRE costs on its 28nm chip. We hope these funds to be gathered soon, so that chip production can start as soon as possible. Estimated dates after NRE payment are:
  • Chip samples delivered in 9 weeks;
  • Low-volume chip production starting in 12 weeks, using an e-beam process;
  • Normal volume chip production starting in 16-18 weeks.
309  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread on: July 14, 2013, 09:13:14 PM
Public investor's protection plan
The first 10,000,000 ActiveMining shares have the privilege of getting all profits until BTC0.0025/share is paid, starting from the day when dividends begin to be paid.

In essence, all profits go to the "first 10,000,000 ActiveMining shares" until ActiveMining has made 25k BTC (or around $2.5 million) in profit.

Mining:

If the difficulty increases 10% every 2016 blocks for the next year or so, then even if all 6.4 TH/s that ActiveMining plans to bring online starts mining now, the total expected mining revenue is only about 19k BTC. I believe 19k is very optimistic. In other words, profits from mining will never reach 0.0025 BTC/share unless ActiveMining increases its hash power at least as fast as the difficulty rises.

Sales:

Mining will never reach the 0.0025 BTC/share threshold, so it will be up to sales to make up the difference. In order to make $2.5 million in revenue, ActiveMining will have to sell at least 50 of the 25 TH/s units. Actually, it will have to sell many more than that to make $2.5 million in profit. I don't know enough to even guess at what the sales would have to be. That information has not been provided.

The real issue is that ActiveMining has not given enough information for anyone to determine whether or not they can profit from an investment in ActiveMining. From the information given out so far, my belief is that it is possible, but not likely.

Does ActiveMining have a business plan? Does it show how they expect to succeed? Is it available to investors?

The mining part you stated is only about the Avalon chips. ActiveMining will use its own 28nm 16GH/s (~15W) chip to boost mining as further as possible, at a much lesser cost and higher efficiency than competing offerings.

If you still wish to mantain your NO vote, I expect you to be congruent and change your vote to NO in every ASICMINER offering in btct.co, since it's the exact same business model/plan.
310  Economy / Securities / Re: Active Mining Speculation Thread on: July 14, 2013, 06:35:06 PM
What happens once we breach the wall? What kind of rise in share value can we expect in an x amount of time? Vague question but could someone set some less vague frames please?

Hard to say, but once the wall is breached I'd say they will double in value, as that event means ActM is effectively delivering a chip on a very quick timeframe.
311  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread on: July 14, 2013, 06:06:04 PM
if you are content with waiting 80 days then feel free to support the wall.
I'm quite content, yeah. The wall is 1840987 high. 30h ago, it was 1965000. At this rate, it would be gone in 18 days.

See you in eighty days anyway.
1664220 43h after.

16 days at this rate.

It will only get faster! Smiley The more shares are bought, the more ActM is worth and the more .0025 is "cheaper" for what ActM holds in assets/bitcoin balance.
312  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread on: July 14, 2013, 03:31:41 PM
It's their own freedom of choice to sell .0001 cheaper than the wall,
but the REAL idiots are those people who have sell orders right AFTER the wall, at .0026, etc.
Can you imagine, all the work and time it takes to buy up all the issued shares, only to have your shares eaten back up so that you can make a measly .0001 extra profit?  

LOL.  The stupidity is unbelievable.  Maybe some people don't realize that Bitfunder and BTCT actually share the same bottleneck right now (about 1.8 million shares @ .0025).

Wannabe daytraders, basically.  

What day is it? Someone mark this down on the sundial. I actually agree with this person.

+1

Once the wall at 0.0025 gets eaten I'd say each share is worth like 0.005. Smiley
313  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread on: July 14, 2013, 03:24:52 PM
just curious - should i buy AMC from btct or activemining from bitfunder?
AMC from BTCT. This way your BTCs go directly to the company, not to speculators.
+1.
BUT if you're going to use Bitfunder, buy whichever is cheaper. If it ends up being AMC just make sure to trade them for ActiveMiner shares as soon as you're done buying.


It is my understanding that once ACTIVEMINING is approved on BTC-TC, AMC shares will automatically be converted over.

Once ACTIVEMINING is approved on BTC-TC then AMC-PT should be automatically converted over, this is all on BTC-TC. BitFunder has AMC and ActiveMining. Smiley
314  Economy / Securities / Re: Active Mining Speculation Thread on: July 14, 2013, 01:49:35 PM
Currently it seems only KnC is going 28nm, although I can't really understand the motive for making 100GH/s chips. We are talking about machines made to run 24/7, so, not only heat is heavily concentrated (~250W in 55x55mm), if one of them breaks you lose a whole 100GH/s at the flip of a switch! You know what they say about putting all the eggs in the same basket... Undecided

Ken, dhenson has already posted the link: https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-22

I have some options that expire in just over an hour and as it stands right now I don't know if I'm going to put any more money towards this project.

Please re-assure me and the other investors that your claims are genuine by posting additional evidence.


Thanks for that!

So, each Jupiter will use 4x100GH/s chips at <=1000W, each chip using a 55x55 package.

Each chip is thus 250W, so I will expect them to use a cooler the size of a graphics card, per chip.

On 250W, we can fit about 16.667 of AMC's chips (let's say 15W each), for a rated performance of 16.667x16=266.667 GH/s.

You know, like someone said, "the devil is in the details" Grin
315  Economy / Securities / Re: Active Mining Speculation Thread on: July 14, 2013, 01:44:41 PM
You're giving me goosebumps!
Actually this is the first I've heard of Ken writing RTL code. I'm not great with the technical side of things so a lot of your post is over my head. Can you recommend some reading to get me up to speed?

Here's an old post I did about them:

Some more information about eASIC:

"eASIC's vision and technology": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQsvbvv2Dww&hd=1

"The Big eASY, eASIC Debuts 45nm FPGA Killer", a 2008 article that explains very well their eCell design, please read it attentively: http://www.eejournal.com/archives/articles/20080805_easy/

"The devices use a logic cell structure that is analogous to the LUT fabric of an FPGA, but programming is accomplished by a “configurable via” that bridges between routing metal layers.  Since this is a single mask layer, there is very little cost or risk involved in programming/customizing the devices.  Furthermore, in early production, the via layer can be programmed via e-beam, allowing for very small (as in 1 unit) production runs.  The company can easily produce a wafer with many designs from different companies, so there is no “minimum quantity” issue for setting up the fabrication process."
316  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread on: July 14, 2013, 01:29:24 AM
I'm encouraging crital thinking in order to attract skeptic investors.  Every point I have brought up has been thoroughly torn apart.  I respect this company and it's very obvious there will be a future here.  Great job, Ken.



Grin Grin Grin Grin
317  Economy / Securities / Re: Active Mining Speculation Thread on: July 14, 2013, 01:20:18 AM
200 BTC in 20 minutes over on BTC-TC.

83,000 shares.

Grin

At least there ActM has almost no undercutting, effectively working as a primary market.

It is sad that only Havelock so far has understood why there has to be both a separate primary and secondary market.
318  Economy / Securities / Re: Active Mining Speculation Thread on: July 14, 2013, 12:45:11 AM
Updated the original post with the shares purchased from the wall, doesn't cover 24 hours, more like 20, so I added times of when I dumped into Excel.  These are for BTCT only, as far as I can tell by searching through the trade history, no shares have been purchased from that wall since 7/9 and only 800 shares fell in that day.

Vbs I read your post and it really made me think when you spoke of delays.  

Typical design criteria include NRE, time to market, power consumption, performance, and unit cost.  eASIC offers structured ASICs to address the problem of production times and volume.  Some designers, say KNC, prefer to prototype FPGA first and then take these designs to structured ASIC, and this is where delays can come into play along with increased cost.  The fab time using the straight to structured ASIC is decreased, the NRE and unit cost are of the most efficient.   eASIC's Nextreme and Nextreme-2 families of structured ASICs allows Ken to design directly with these families, both of which have much shorter design times and much lower NREs

ActiveMining's ace in the sleeve is the optimized RTL code (Xilinx) Ken has been developing for the last year on fpga. This is what allows for getting so many mining cores per chip (20), all processing hashes in parallel. The great thing about eASIC is that his RTL can be quickly integrated into a structured ASIC that uses their eCell division.

There are three great things about their process: (1) all their wafers are the same, for ANY kind of chip, since only the metal layer (Via4 Lithography) is customized for each project, so they can keep pumping out generic wafers to be used by all their customers, (2) since the logic layers (eCells) are generic, they can use an e-beam machine to process the metal layers in a low-volume process, even on just ONE chip, so ActM can get their hands on prototype chips very very fast and (3) they have an easicopy process that can even deliver faster, less power hungry and cheaper chips.



Bottom line: ActiveMining is just the right "guy", at the right place, at the right time. Once the NRE is paid, the game will change, and it won't be pretty to anyone that is not already developing at least a 28nm chip with similar performance/cost numbers.
319  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread on: July 13, 2013, 11:44:45 PM
Here's my thinking:

ActiveMining needs $1 million or there about. AMC sold around 1 million shares at $105 last week. That's $262,000. The price of bitcoins is now $97. Which means they need about 7600 BTC and to sell about 3,043,000 Shares. They have sold about 400,000 on BTC-TC the past few days. That leaves 2,643,000 Shares to be bought still. There is a block of 1,800,000 for sale on BTC-TC. The remaining 800k still needed is dispearsed throughout the .0025 and .003 range on BitFunder.

This. And as any of the other strategies start getting funds, Ken can just pull chunks of those walls down. Grin
320  Economy / Securities / Re: [AMC]-The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion on: July 13, 2013, 02:05:30 PM
I'd say change it to the minimum amount needed to cover the NRE costs that are not yet covered, considering the current USD/BTC price.

Only speculators benefit from higher prices, the important is for the NRE to be paid asap.
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