Thanks for that!

So, each Jupiter will use 4x100GH/s chips at <=1000W, each chip using a 55x55 package.

Each chip is thus 250W, so I will expect them to use a cooler the size of a graphics card, per chip.

On 250W, we can fit about 16.667 of AMC's chips (let's say 15W each), for a rated performance of 16.667x16=266.667 GH/s.

You know, like someone said, "the devil is in the details"

I'm sure the FUD on this thread being 99% speculation and 1% only for discussing the actual news and projections for AMC has a huge part in that.

People are scared. It will pass.

Long-term inverstors kept their shares, even with the possibility of jumping ship. That says alot.

The fact the thread has been filled with so much FUD for the last 24h makes me believe there's been a huge effort to take the price down, making unexperienced investors sell their shares as cheaply as possible. This is a great deal for manipulators, as the can buy into AMC at a low price, while the unexperienced have already paid the .0025, helping fund the NRE.

Anyone that bought from Ken at .0025 and already sold, just gave away that opportunity.

So, basically AMC delivers very exciting news, but the price goes all the way down? Yeah, right!!!

We need an AMC blog or something like that, because the FUD here is just insane. Even when I try to answer questions being raised, it'll be lost on all that gets thrown around.

The questions about the number of shares have been asked and answered over and over again, simply because they get lost in here.

A 100GH/s chip? Is that a good design choice? What happens when it breaks? You lose 100GH?

I would very much like to know the die size of those chips, the amount of cores each and the estimated power draw, since they mention their setups will be water-cooled.

Are you delusional? Get your facts straight! The chip was designed to be a drop-in replacement for FPGA boards.

Ken, if eASIC already has an e-beam machine for 28nm (I know they had it for 45nm), you could ask them to quickly make a dozen chips for AMC.

It would be nice to get them in reference boards and send some to trusted community members, and get cgminer/bfgminer support rolling.

+1. Your last phrase was pure gold!

Moving on... Repost for those that have missed it.


Ken: the correct number of shares in BF should be 1,567,351.

Omg, proof that the NDA exists!  

You should read the 100TH thread and see what Tytus, the issuer, did.

Bottom line: engineering prowess does not mean stock market prowess.

I'd say out of frustration from all the negativity in this thread... Jeez!

The funding for the chip is already guaranteed, thanks to the initial shareholders (revenue from bought hardware) and current sales so far.

No, AMC is loaning $1M to VMC to pay for the NRE costs. That $1M is completely recovered by AMC at the expense of VMC forfeiting 100% chip sales profits to AMC, until that $1M is returned.

Only then AMC gets 10% royalty.

Overall, AMC gets a "free" NRE and 10% royalty from there on.

You are asking the wrong questions. When you invest into something, you have to value the entry price vs risk/reward.

When I bought my first AMC shares at 0.0005, there was no hardware delivered, only a promise of 6 avalons. Thus, the price reflected the risk then. From there on, many more hardware has been purchased, and the 6 avalons delivered, so the risk gets smaller.

What you are asking is "Is the 0.0025 price justified at the current risk?". Maybe not for you. Maybe it can only be justified for you after there is an official PR from eASIC. Everyone values risk differently.


That post was about the validity of the easicopy process, and how it enables a seamless transition to cheaper and more efficient chips.

If you do not believe AMC is getting eASIC to do the chips, then do not buy AMC at the current price point/risk. Define what risk you choose to accept first.

Some more information about eASIC:

"eASIC's vision and technology": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQsvbvv2Dww&hd=1

"The Big eASY, eASIC Debuts 45nm FPGA Killer", a 2008 article that explains very well their eCell design, please read it attentively: http://www.eejournal.com/archives/articles/20080805_easy/

"The devices use a logic cell structure that is analogous to the LUT fabric of an FPGA, but programming is accomplished by a “configurable via” that bridges between routing metal layers.  Since this is a single mask layer, there is very little cost or risk involved in programming/customizing the devices.  Furthermore, in early production, the via layer can be programmed via e-beam, allowing for very small (as in 1 unit) production runs.  The company can easily produce a wafer with many designs from different companies, so there is no “minimum quantity” issue for setting up the fabrication process."

You are correct, the more released information, the better.

Simulations take a few days to run, and should be pretty accurate, due to the way the chip structure is already built (this is not a fully custom design, just using a custom metal layer on standardized logic circuits, their "eCells").

I'm sure they'll do a press release after the first part of the NRE is paid.

I'm not sure about the exclusivity for all chips (there's still an NDA in place), but yes, AMC's design is proprietary, so no one else gets that.

The more are sold, the faster AMC gets everything rolling, instead of waiting for dividends. True, AMC could stop selling, and just pay the NRE in fractions (which is probably going to happen anyway).

Selling shares at a lower price would be very bad for investors that bought at .0025 already. That price can be justified (yes, I know, not everyone agrees!!!) as they are now getting into AMC at a much less riskier price point.

Remember that it was thanks to initial investors that AMC has all the above hardware coming. If not for them, we would be in doubt right now if there would be enough $ to pay the NRE. Thanks to them, there isn't.

Thanks!

The raised capital from those is already more than enough. Even if not a single more share is sold, and considering tough difficulty estimates, the revenue from the incoming hardware (especially the 20.000 Avalon chips) is more than enough to put AMC above the $1M mark (see last row).