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1  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Peter Thiel on Bitcoin on: March 05, 2012, 11:47:46 AM
Gold is so 17th Century. Gold coins have been counterfeited since they've been invented and are still today.

Counterfeited gold coins HAVE to be made of gold to a (not small) degree. If not then alloy density will simply mismatch too much. USG scanners show structure of insides; even wolfram based fakes will not pass such a test.

For a comparison, paper currencies are counterfeit to a much higher degree already. And found fake banknotes lose all their value immediately. So gold coin (even when faked) is much safer.

Much of it can be found at the bottom of the ocean where it was unsuccessfully protected by the ships that carried it.

Even today we have catastrophes of many kinds; people die and/or lose all their wealth. Do you mean that because there is always some kind of risk we should dismiss ways of wealth preservation?

You may assay gold to a point, but you are not assured 100% results.

No - gold as physical element has enough unique properties to be 100% sure it's gold. Unless an assayer is completely incompetent.

Gold is just not a convenient form of exchange. Every time it changes hands there is risk of it being stolen.

Every time you are going to use cash there is chance it may be stolen. Every time you are making credit card transfer there is a chance it may be stolen. Basically every time you are getting out a house you may get robbed, too. So what you really says is that bad accidents do happen? Yes they do - it's just life like it is...

Holding gold is nothing more than enabling the irrational behavior it elicits. I just don't see any reason to treasure gold any more than the artwork much of it was melted from. Who knows, maybe guys like Thiel will bring back pirates and highwaymen armed with metal detectors and weapons? Lock your doors and hide your gold well. Or you can always trust the banks to keep it safe, look how well they treated your paper money, after all.

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Then I don't understand your previous statements... As anything else BTC has it share of associated risks too.
2  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Iceland to dump their currency for the Canadian dollar? on: March 05, 2012, 10:48:22 AM
Anyone know of any instructables for creating new countries?

Yeah - there three ways: by a civil war which is quick and necessarily bloody affair. Alternatively work on organizing, funding and lobbying for such separatist idea on a political background. With enough persistence and sufficient mindshare it may pay off. But it will not be quick nor easy.

There is an another way though; by rapid technological advances where the very current social fabric will become obsolete. Than things like states will have to be redefined.
3  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Iceland to dump their currency for the Canadian dollar? on: March 05, 2012, 10:34:00 AM
Yeah. A country adopting an experimental, first-of-a-kind, three year old digital currency as its national currency just makes sense.

No less sense than adopting a scheme (a fiat money) that has historically proven 100 percent ratio of failure.
Of course BTC could choke when handling transactions traffic at the scale of whole country. But that could be improved for sure; it's important to not dismiss such possibilities. Eventually a technology may grand many great things. Smiley
4  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: George Selgin discusses privatization of the money supply based on Bitcoin on: February 10, 2012, 12:11:47 PM
he advocates a hard target for 5% spending which i don't see meshing well with Bitcoin's set supply.  whats wrong with a fixed supply of money?  prices will just decrease over time as the economy grows. there is nothing wrong with this.

Nothing wrong for savers but many people are notorious debtors. Especially those who can force others to spend (governments with deficits) so deflation is dreaded as it makes servicing debt much harder in real terms.

the main bullish argument for a fixed supply of money is that businesses and savers can count on their money retaining its value.  i, being an inherent saver, would be more than willing to lend out my savings for additional return or even for investing in risk assets such as stock.  with the exchange value of my money whipping all over the place under the current regime, i am LESS willing to speculate with my money b/c now i have to worry about exchange value along with speculative risk.

You are managing your assets in a sound way; you have savings. Unfortunately, majority of people aren't capable of such thing and most of their possessions are debt based. So politicians make propaganda that "inflation is essential". Sad

the Bitcoin pessimists here will say that gov'ts will fight Bitcoin and establish their own server farms to destroy it.  i say that the collective will of humanity will not reject a good idea like Bitcoin but will in fact over time embrace it.

Collective will of humanity, eh?

If there is a common "will" shared by all homo sapiens that is that of animals: to eat (preserve itself), to kill (reduce competition) and to copulate (propagate the specie). Popular culture reflects that very well indeed...

We yet have to do a herculean work first, to be able to claim that we have something resembling "the collective (intelligent) will".
5  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Scenario for the destruction of bitcoin on: February 09, 2012, 12:32:45 PM
If Bitcoin doesn't grow to the point where a sizable economy surrounds it, well it will probably fail for any number of reasons.

It would be preferable to have a prospering BTC based economy, obviously. However, Bitcoin as such already had realized an important purpose; it is a successful proof that we can depend on and trust in mathematically fabricated commodity. Monetary use is just the beginning...
6  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Government Super Computers USA, China, Japan, etc.. on: February 08, 2012, 12:28:37 PM
Sure you could use a Supercomputer for bitcoin mining and you could also use a ferrari for hauling gravel.  Doesn't mean it a good fit.

What a big entity (like a government) could do is to use its funds to fabricate dedicated hashing ASICs. However such move could be viewed as being BTC positive; you don't react to things which are supposedly meaningless (or pretend them to be as such). Bitcoin is in competition with fiat currencies so attacking it would mean it REALLY has started to be a viable alternative.

So... as long most people stick to fiat, pay taxes using fiat (and stay ignorant to debasement) there isn't reason to try actively suppressing BTC.
7  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin Bank? on: February 07, 2012, 11:43:47 AM
New to the world of bitcoins, but as others mentioned, I'm not so sure I'd trust a bitcoin "bank" of sorts. If I deposit money into my Bank of America account (for example), there are 1) laws that protect me from them running away with my money, and 2) Insurance, like the FDIC $250,000, that most governments have in place to help protect people that use these banks.

And what will protect people from a government "sanctioned" failures?
(like mindless government overspending resulting in debasing of a currency to dupe its own creditors?)

There is always risk. Only you can protect your assets. That is the idea behind bitcoin: a digital commodity which we can actually control by ourselves.
(at least to much higher degree than anything else)

There are neither of those on the internet. You could have the most reputable member, but if they decided they wanted to pack up shop and take off with a boat load of bitcoins, since hey, temptation get's the best of us, then there's nothing that's really stopping them.

Then don't get involved in btc banks or third parties. Bitcoin is self sufficient to function on its own merits (not unlike gold). If you want to make a loan then demand a sensible collateral first.
8  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: property-coin a practical approach to anti-statism and anarcho-capitalism on: February 06, 2012, 09:19:24 AM
of course the majority is a special interest group and who may do exactly what you said, but no law is required for them to be able to do this its a fundamental characteristic of our universe that the majority can get away with anything they damn well please.

Not necessarily if we could make hypothetical selfdestructible property. Then any effective robbing would be only possible by forcing original owner to release private keys... Plausible denial could be used as defense with keys which prolonged property's existence for limited time only.

we have to try as individuals to steer their will in the direction we perceive to be most productive, i.e. from my perspective into acceptance of a set of minimalist protocols for ensuring property rights and protections against needless harm.

Signing property with visible keys seems to be pretty good deterrent. It will lower worth of stolen things considerably.
9  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Government Super Computers USA, China, Japan, etc.. on: February 05, 2012, 05:03:21 PM
Also the time on those computers is extremely valuable.  The odds of them deciding to say lets go mine some bitcoins are about the same as the odds of U.S. overtaking China in manufacturing, sadly.

Unless mined bitcoins would be worth enough to make the whole affair profitable. But then it would mean that btc is officially recognized by government(s) as viable currency; a thing that the establishment is likely to avoid as long as possible...
10  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Cash out or keep bitcoins? on: February 05, 2012, 12:59:02 PM
If you don't know what will happen then try to averaging your exchanges. Just agree on given amount per week to sell or spend. That way you'll get your worth of btc and you'll have some saved for latter.
11  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Future of btc? on: February 04, 2012, 04:18:21 PM

>“a minimal financial transaction tax (of .005 percent). This will create $40 billion in revenue.”

And twice of that amount for related bureaucratic expenditures...
 
Sounds for me not so bad !

Not "so bad" for now but be assured that in future it'll get worse. People should be responsible for themselves - If you want to fund charity then just get involved privately. There is no reason to be taxed at such whim whatever the excuse may be. Unless someone wants to end up like the horse from Orwell's Animal Farm. I DON'T.
12  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: property-coin a practical approach to anti-statism and anarcho-capitalism on: February 03, 2012, 10:10:15 AM
That idea is sound but unlike virtual world and mathematics (which are enough to allow bitcoin to function) claims on real property may need to be enforced well... physically. For that you will need some kind of authority (like police) but then we're back to statism.

Basically what is needed is a decentralized state...
13  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Introduce yourself :) on: February 03, 2012, 12:10:34 AM
Yeah, isn't amazing that BitCoin is actually 'backed' by something (the work to produce each block) but the US$ is "Trust us that it has a value". lol, who trust their government any more? What a quaint idea!

In fact, we are forced by governments to use their paper money by legal tender laws. Unless someone wants to go to a jail rather quickly... So the only thing we can have trust in is that: "Trust us and we won't hit you too hard (probably)"... Grin
14  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Trust No One on: January 27, 2012, 12:24:34 PM
Trust have to be earned. When doing a business with new entity it's advised to be cautious. Companies (and individual people as well) can fail from time to time for myriad of reasons. I'm yet to have any sizable sum in BTC but from what I could understand about its protocol it is safer than conventional banking ever can be. (especially considering todays political risks...)
15  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Introduce yourself :) on: January 27, 2012, 12:12:52 PM
I learned about Bitcoin few months ago. Just recently decided (finally) to take part in it.  Smiley
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