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421  Other / Meta / Re: Account farming. Allowed? on: August 29, 2016, 03:11:50 PM

So, the other early bbc. listing, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=553242 angryswamp

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=553230  frostice (16)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=553232  airsounds (165)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=553235  fireball4 (166)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=553238  oceanriver (140)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=553242  angryswamp (175) ***

frostice (16)            Sep 8,25  Oct 23,30       Nov 20   Dec 5,20,23   Jan 5,22 Feb 2,18
airsounds (165)       Sep 8,25  Oct 11,23,30  Nov 20   Dec 5,20,23   Jan 5,22 Feb 2,18
fireball4 (166)         Sep 8,25  Oct 11,23,      Nov 20   Dec 5,20,23   Jan 5,22 Feb 2,18
oceanriver (140)     Sep 8,      Oct 11,23,30   Nov 20   Dec 5,20,23   Jan 5,22 Feb 2,18
angryswamp (175)  Sep 8,25  Oct 11,23,30   Nov 20   Dec 5,20,23    Jan 5,22 Feb 2,18

They start very slightly different but...  and Nov 20!
Time scale 30 minutes. 5 farmed accounts, 600 spam posts.

*** bbc, spam list
422  Other / Meta / Re: Account farming. Allowed? on: August 29, 2016, 02:51:19 PM

For the more advanced let me try this list on you, involving potato power from bbc. list. (this is the oldest accounts on bbc. list. pre names pattern.)
Note the generally higher post counts.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=552965  cobblelyf  (39)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=552967  pianomasta (36)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=552970  greatr (282)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=552972  useless4 (280)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=552974  ontrackk (243)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=552978  funbarrel (297)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=552983  potatopower (176) ***
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=552985  purebitco (250)

8 random names, so no clues there. Back to how I start (and continue) verifying. Posting schedule.
Let's look at their first 12 posts. (all rehashed meaningless content, if you wish to verify further take a read)

     
cobblelyf  (39)             Sep 7,21  Oct 10,19,30  Nov 20  Dec 5,20,23  Jan 5,22 Feb 2
pianomasta (36)          Sep 7,21  Oct 10,19,30  Nov 20  Dec 5,20,23  Jan 5,22 Feb 2
greatr (282)                Sep 7,25  Oct 10,19,30  Nov 20  Dec 5,20,23  Jan 5,22 Feb 2
useless4 (280)             Sep 7,25  Oct 10,19,30  Nov 20  Dec 5,20,23  Jan 5,22 Feb 2
ontrackk (243)             Sep 7,25  Oct 10,19,30  Nov 20  Dec 5,20,23  Jan 5,22 Feb 2   
funbarrel (297)            Sep 7,25  Oct 10,23,30  Nov 20  Dec 5,20,23  Jan 5,22 Feb 2 
potatopower (176) *** Sep 7,25  Oct 11,23,30  Nov 20  Dec 5,20,23  Jan 5,22 Feb 2 
purebitco (250)            Sep 7,25  Oct 11,23,30  Nov 20  Dec 5,20,23  Jan 5,22 Feb 2 

Farmed? Conclusive.
Time scale 1 hour.  8 farmed accounts, 1550 spam posts.



***bbc. spam list

423  Other / Meta / Re: Account farming. Allowed? on: August 29, 2016, 01:24:57 PM
Is it possible for mods to nuke entire threads?
If a users post is deleted, does their post count get reduced?

^^If yes and yes then:

Why not start nuking the biggest most obvious sig spam threads to discourage meaningless posts, even the ones that are 2 complete sentences.
This one has over 3,000 replies: is gambling fix your life? or wreck your life?
I bet it would set a few farmers back quite a bit if you just nuked the 5 most obvious farm threads in gambling section.

Yes and Yes.

Different issue I feel.
Why not tackle farmers head on. All farmed posts by their very nature are worthless.
If these accounts were removed other actions, such as you suggest, might then have a value.

If I have linked all these accounts as farmed, how can anyone say any has value.
Who would want to talk to a farmed account if they knew? Only other farmed accounts.

If Theymos banned all accounts shown here, by declaring them worthless spam maybe, that would send out a clear message.
He clearly does not want to send that message, yet.

but to genuine members it's the participation and information that counts more than a fast progression through the ranks, and they would have to make better quality posts to achieve that too.

Exactly.
424  Other / Meta / Re: Account farming. Allowed? on: August 29, 2016, 01:08:10 PM
I stopped looking when I got down to "A" on my posted alphabet lists.
But, while checking https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669128 from bbc. list,my mistake became apparent.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669117  Kepariy  (20)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669119  Lavavest (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669122  Mulzatas (85)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669123  Nadicona (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669124  Pasutinmeur (22)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669128  Ruhtilg (89) ***
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669131  Sidtamfia (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669134  Tafbiat (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669137  Vixmore (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669140  Washika (303)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669141  Xavofat (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669142  Yauthitdar (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669143  Zivdafast (21)

The very next member was https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669144  Auponef ***, from alphabet list #4. (and bbc. list)

Time scale 1 hour 5 min. 660 spam posts.
(of note https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669132 sellavator (40))

So I checked the other 3 alphabet lists back from "A". 1 and 2 drew nothing.
list 3 was as follows,

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668587  Mukyasa (22)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668589  Nabicoma (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668601  Pasttimeuftor (20)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668603  Qastessa (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668607  Rugtilf (20)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668610  Sictalfia (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668615  Tadblt (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668616  Vivlore (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668618  Wargika (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668622  Xapodat (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668633  Yaupgitda (20)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668636  Zitdadast (301)

The very next member was https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668637  Appuned (20) from alphabet list #3

Time scale 1.5 hours. 520 spam posts.

This is exactly what Problems I have that Theymos would not have. If I don't manually click, I don't get to see.
No way am I going to click 100,000 members, just to cover the bbc. list!
425  Other / Meta / Re: Account farming. Allowed? on: August 29, 2016, 12:21:14 PM
Good work TwitchySeal and Joel_Jantsen.
Omegasun is only 4 members away from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=639372 on bbc.reporter list!

If you can get one of these accounts banned, then the administration will also likely ban all of their alt accounts as well. Although I do not know how much effort these farmers put into hiding the fact that each of their accounts are controlled by the same person.

As I am showing, the farmer here did not put in much effort to hide this. Hence Theymos already knows.
I am clicking through a target range of 100,000 members + here. One by one.
Theymos could just scroll down the member list and see all this in 5 minutes.

If an account farmer (or anyone) makes a large number of low value posts then they will likely get banned.

Are you sure that there are in fact "hundreds" of people farming large numbers of accounts?
What rules would you propose implementing that would stop this kind of farming?

This cannot be fought case by case. All farmed posts are of NO value. They only have one purpose - build post count.
Theymos can decide, he can see this and the bigger picture clearly. Or he could at least communicate his take.
(i have always said that 1 or 2 farmers have created all accounts in question here!)

I am sure theymos is well aware of the problem, so are the mods and staff of the forum, but how do they prevent this?
In fact, I think theymos is doing an impressive job in tacking these issues wherever possible.

Could you link me to some impressiveness please. I've had no input here.
The accounts in question are around 10 months old. No sign of any impressive action yet.
Theymos could have done all my detecting work in 5 minutes, with his tools. 10 month old accounts. 5 minutes work.

The community + moderators find and remove spam and off-topic content, and ban members who are found abusing or breaking rules
To disincentivize farming I see two choices:
Restrict account trade to the maximum extent.
Restrict signatures or signature campaigns.

Yes, inconsistently, slowly, one by one.
Mods said copy/paste is zero tolerance. But even my copy/paste reports go ignored. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1586378.0
Banning a member here and a member there for low quality posting is futile when 100's of accounts are openly being farmed.
The more low quality there is, the harder it is to justify banning each individual account, The next account is just as bad?
I'm sure there are other choices here.


426  Other / Meta / Re: Account farming. Allowed? on: August 28, 2016, 04:54:03 PM

This list needs publishing.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663111  Zosuda  (22)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663116                           molsewid  (22)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663122                                                    Bamselk  (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663129                                                                              fasdorcas  (22)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663136  Zadicar  (860)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663142                           Malsetid  (22)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663146                                                    Bamsed  (67) ***
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663156                                                                             Fasdurcas  (23)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663174  Zudalar (22)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663185                           Mastsetad  (1344)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663190                                                    Blamsud  (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663195                                                                            Farstdury (23) 


Time scale is 1 hour.
12 farmed accounts creating 2400 spam posts  (post count in brackets) Mastsetad produced 1344 spam posts alone.

*** bbc. reporter list.
427  Other / Meta / Re: Account farming. Allowed? on: August 28, 2016, 01:14:47 PM
K~Ehleyr, without the name connections, this would have been so much harder to "show" clearly.
That is pure luck for me. I didn't expect to find these patterns either. Clearly all my posts are about the work of 1 single entity farmer.

Chris! thanks for looking. Great idea of yours I think. (can't quite get my head round it yet..) Is that something you could/would do?
Anything that clearly illustrates this situation would be good.
I will probably make one long list at some point, consolidate my multiple lists!

Bear in mind I have very limited tools or access (or incentive) for this search.
Inferior tools and access than mods, far inferior tools and access than global mods. Far, far inferior tools and access than Theymos.
Still I found all this very quickly.

Theymos must have known all I have published already. And what I will publish next.



428  Other / Meta / Re: Account farming. Allowed? on: August 28, 2016, 11:45:16 AM
Not so pretty that list above, is it?

Turns out that list is #4 of 4 alphabetical lists. (unless i have missed some more)
If I put all four lists together, the pattern is clearer. I've numbered the lists 1, 2, 3, 4.


1  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667857            Atesed                                      posts  =      0
 2    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668247            Apened                                                   19
  3      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668637           Appuned                                               20
   4        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669144            Auponef ***                                      181
1  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667859            Bameras                                                    26
 2    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668249            Bemerand                                             251
  3      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668640            Benarand                                             21
   4        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669148            Beparanf                                           21
1  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667862            Cabdinsard                                                  0
 2    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668252            Cateinyard                                              21
  3      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668647            Cabapzarf                                            21
   4        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669150            Cacapzarg                                        17
1  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667863            Dobmader                                                  21
 2    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668256            Dobmaster ***                                      187
  3      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668651            Docnaster                                           285
   4        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669152            Dodnastes                                        19
1  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667865            Efemen ***                                               93
 2    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668260            Egenen                                                   21
  3      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668654            Ejanend                                               18
   4        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669156            Ekanenf                                            20
1  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667868            Falmant                                                     21
 2    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668261            Famnant                                                 21
  3      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668658            Fanpant ***                                       157
   4        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669157            Fappanu                                            21
1  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667872            Gatotare                                                     21
 2    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668291            Gastotade                                               22
  3      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668664            Gaswuwade                                          33
   4        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669159            Gotomoon                                         20
1  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667873            Hamaber                                                    19
 2    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668293            Hanacerty                                               20
  3      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668667            Hapucerty                                            20
   4        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669161            Haruderty                                        136
1  
 2    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668294            Jiamaf                                                     22
  3      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668679            Juhagic ***                                        184
   4        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669163            Jukagid                                              21
1
 2    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668297            Kenarix                                                    20
  3
   4        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669167            Ketariz                                               19

1 time span 30 minutes.        8 accounts, 200 spam posts.             Nov 27 7.03am - 7.31am
 2 time span 2 hours.            10 accounts, 600 spam posts.            Nov 27 9.19pm - 11,16pm
  3 time span 1 hour.             9 accounts, 750 spam posts.              Nov 28 9.17am - 10.15am
   4 time span 45 minutes.     10 accounts, 450 spam posts.            Nov 29 1.25pm - 2.07pm

(Looks to me like the farmer felt he rushed list 1, not enough padding. So spent longer on list 2 to allow real padding. List 3 was hurried along by farmed padding, Same, but faster again on list 4.)

The above multi list includes two 0 post accounts, (on list 1) first time i have included 0 post accounts.
See how most accounts are around 21 post count. Just systematically ranking up.
bbc.reporters spam list hit the top post count on list 1 and 4, and the second post count on lists 2 and 3 (also third post count list 3) ***
bbc.reporter list found 10% of related accounts. 90% are unnoticed. Not yet on Dannys ignore list.

I have another A - B - C - D - A - B - C - D   list which brings my 3 other published repeat lists together in the same way as here.
That will take my total farmed member list well over 100, producing 8000 spam posts.
Bit funny no one hardly anyone gives a shit after all the moaning of spammers on bitcointalk.
429  Other / Meta / Re: Account farming. Allowed? on: August 27, 2016, 11:54:31 AM
I've got lucky so far. Really easy to identify these  -A - B - C - D - A - B - C - D - patterns.
It is self proving. No need to look further. It will get harder!

The farmer is clever, and does change thing around a bit.
On my first list, all names started with a capital letter. That was the only upper case used, no numbers.
On my second list, all names start lower case letter. No upper case used, no numbers.
On my third list, names starting "Z" are upper case, names starting "d" "s" or "m" are lower case. No other upper case, no numbers.

The farmer also changes the - A - B - C - D - A - B - C - D - repeat pattern.
How about - A - B - C - D - E - F - G - alphabetical pattern.

Lets see if anyone can grasp this alphabetical list. ("I" is also missing off other alphabetical list i have compiled, not yet published)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669144  Auponef (181) ***                            
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669148  Beparanf (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669150  Cacapzarg (17)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669152  Dodnastes (19)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669156  Ekanenf (20)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669157  Fappanu (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669159  Gotomoon (20)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669161  Haruderty (136)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669163  Jukagid (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669167  Ketariz (19)

Another 450 meaningless spam posts from these 10 farmed accounts.
This list represents 45 min time line. (and as i hope is clear, would contain probably 0 other real active users even if i published every account in that time span. the omitted accounts are probably 0 post inactive. probably padding for these "active" farmed accounts)

*** bbc. spammer list

I have added post count as of time originally posted.
430  Other / Meta / Re: Account farming. Allowed? on: August 27, 2016, 11:08:41 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=661247                                                              Zaducis (132)***
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=661254                                          macwika (20)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=661268                      sadasa (328)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=661275  dumada (97) ***
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=661289                                                              Zacudis (168)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=661293                                          madwica (612)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=661296                      samasas (20)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=661300  dumpida (187)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=661309                                                              Zicadis 24)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=661316                                          mandica (295)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=661324                      sanadas (256)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=661329  dunfida (725)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=661339                                                              Zocadas (25)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=661346                                          mastica 39)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=661352                      samanas (63)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=661356  danfoda (112)

Another 3000 spam posts produced by these 16 farmed accounts. Sole purpose money making.
(this list covers 1 hour 10 minutes)
(i copy/paste all names into my lists)

*** bbc. spammer list
I have added post counts as of time originally posted. Very busily posting this lot!
431  Other / Meta / Re: Account farming. Allowed? on: August 27, 2016, 10:31:54 AM
This is bbc.reporters list of spammers. This list is why I stumbled into this account farming issue.
As I connect members from this list I shall mark them off. I am expecting a high success rate.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=552983  *** Connected in my lists
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=553242  *** Connected in my lists
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=639372  *** Connected in my lists
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=639604  *** Connected in my lists
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=658151  *** Connected in my lists
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=658316
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=661247  ***  Connected in my lists
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=661275  ***  Connected in my lists
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662242  ***  Connected in my lists
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662280  ***  Connected in my lists
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662312  ***  Connected in my lists
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663146  ***  Connected in my lists
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664899  ***  Connected in my lists
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=665000  ***  Connected in my lists
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666937  ***  Connected in my lists
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667865  ***  Connected in my lists
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668256  ***  Connected in my lists
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668658  ***  Connected in my lists
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=668679  ***  Connected in my lists
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669128  ***  Connected in my lists    
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=669144  ***  Connected in my lists
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=672152  ***  Connected in my lists
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=676083  ***  Connected in my lists
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=684514
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=695975

432  Other / Meta / Re: Account farming. Allowed? on: August 26, 2016, 12:11:23 PM
i think the pattern of name is not a strong basis for alt account. for example me and omegastarcream has the same prefix in username but we are not
totally related to each even you check our profile and search for the local thread that we post.. i think farming of account here is not a allowed but it is hard
to identify who is them. hahhaha.. Even theymos will have hard times for this case.

(and btvGainer)

The pattern here IS strong. You don't know how to analyse the information that I have provided.
I would never connect you with OmegaStarScream in this way. I am not looking for prefix's in names.

The above list is taken from a 2.5 hour period. Yourself and OSS joined 14 months apart.
The above list is in time order of members joining bitcointalk and is clearly ordered - S -V - A - M -S - V - A - M -S - V - A - M - ...continue.
The list above is taken from 200 consecutive members joining. 12% are active farmed accounts.
(Almost all the other 88% accounts omitted from the list are inactive 0 post accounts. Probably mostly padding for the farmers cover)

Take another look.
I do not think Theymos would have a hard time recognising these cases. (and all the others)

PS Omega. I am now be looking into your account.
433  Other / Meta / Re: Account farming. Allowed? on: August 26, 2016, 11:10:31 AM
Quote
Now see "asidaman", https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664926 (he joined 4 min 11 seconds later than stadus)
Check his original posts. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664926;sa=showPosts
He posted Nov 25, Dec 6/14/25, Jan 7/20, Feb 2/15/28
This pattern runs right through OP target period

(OP target period being approx 100,000 accounts)
Lets have a better look.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664793                                          sadyas
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664805  apriloni
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664811                                                              virusasog
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664818                      michkima
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664832                                          satdas
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664837  asrilani
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664839                                                              virasisog
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664845                      miakama
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664876                                          studas
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664883  asdalani
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664899                                                              varusisog ***
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664909                      misakama
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664919                                          stadus
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664926  asidamani
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664935                                                              vasrasus
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664939                      mistanama
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664958                                          sildyas
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664960  asriloni
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664962                                                              vurasasog
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664965                      mitkala
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664980                                          satmas
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664985  asradoni
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664989                                                              vatusasid
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664992                      miayama


Same kind of pattern here.
(this list covers a two and a half hour registration time span)
All happily posting away. Another 1900 meaningless spam posts from 24 farmed accounts.
(I think there was barely 1 normal active user in in-betwen these accounts. The rest in-between accounts are inactive 0 post accounts)

If an account farmer (or anyone) makes a large number of low value posts then they will likely get banned. A well established account will need to make a decent number of low value posts before they are in danger of getting banned. An account farmer could simply make generally interesting posts to get around violating this rule. An account farmer would need to put in a generally small amount of effort to not break this rule.

Clearly the farmer knows this and does have a certain quality, albeit low. The same mundane sentences are rehashed infinitely.
You know how hard it can be to build a case against 1 spammer. There are thousands of these farmed accounts.
By the time someone campaign's to get 1 banned, there are probably 100's more.
This is why it is up to Theymos to act against, or not. Nothing we can do.
I'll just try to highlight the scale of the problem. I never realised before.

If you assume that someone can make 0.001BTC per post (which I do not think is unrealistic, and is even maybe low), and over the long run, can make one post every 2 minutes (again, not unrealistic, but the post quality would not be very good), then someone can make roughly $18 per hour just by posting while participating in a signature campaign if they can find enough threads to reply to throughout the day.

When you compare this to making $8-$9 per hour, flipping burgers at McDonalds posting large numbers of posts can be very appealing to a certain group of people.

So, hire someone at $5 per hour, and keep $10 per hour in profit. Hire 10 people, keep $1000 per day profit. It must be happening?
These accounts I am highlighting are most likely created by 1 or 2 or very few people. It is a unique and identifiable circumstance.
It could easily be solved, independently of other multi-account or spam issues, as I think I have shown how easily they can be detected.

There are certain policies in place that make it harder on a certain type of spammers, primarily those who post links to spam, and those who use automation to create accounts with the intention of creating a single post (from each account) that is an advertisement. These policies generally give a little bit of value to accounts because higher level accounts due to relaxed posting requirements. The forum also explicitly allows for people to have as many accounts as they want because of things like freedom of speech.

I agree that we have a problem with users making too much 'white noise' making it difficult to have a decent conversation about Bitcoin, however I am not sure how to fix this issue. Over the past couple of years, several solutions have been suggested, however if implemented, they would likely do much more harm then good.

There are certain vague rules that could be applied, but are not being.
Makes me wonder, but for now, i,m pretending Theymos and the mods/staff probably aren't running this farming business, until I have a response.
Someone is making big money out of this.

I don't mind people making money, but such a massive degradation of this forum I do mind.
When "real" new bitcoiners, like K~Ehlyr end up in conversation with these farmed accounts...   well, read his thoughts above.

I'm guessing new members like K~Ehlyr, and any non-members looking in, must think all bitcoiners are f**king retards!

*** bbc. spammer list
434  Other / Meta / Re: Account farming. Allowed? on: August 25, 2016, 11:54:02 PM
I find this quite disturbing.
The robots you speak to are actually farmed accounts.
I had a quick look. You spoke quoted 1 a few days ago. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662306 (Palodar)

See how near to my already quoted u=number this member you quoted is? (u=662306 above and u=662242 quoted below from bbc.report list.

Again look at the users surrounding, say, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662242 from your list.
(you have another only 38 regestrations away, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662280)

The next registered user, u=662243 has a 21/21 score (activity/post) and looks the same as your targets.
The next registered user, u=662244 has 177/177, and looks the same as your targets.
Then the next two are 0/0 (and looks the same as your targets, in idle)
Followed by u=662247 having 74/74, and looks the same as your targets.
They are probably the same owner.


I have a list of all the active farmed accounts between 662280 (just above bbc.report list u=662242) and 662342 (past the farmed account you quoted in your conversation u=662306). It is not just post count=activity!


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662242                       Kellor ***
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662243                                                             RustNan
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662244  Fredomago
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662247                                         Piladeer
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662280                      Kaller ***
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662284                                                             RastMan
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662285  Frodomaga
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662288                                         Palider
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662294                      Kalder
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662295                                                             RastoMan
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662298  Flodemaga
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662306                                      Palodar
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662310                      Kolder
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662312                                                             Rastanan ***
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662316  Flademago
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662318                                          Pamadar
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662322                      Koamder
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662326                                                              Rastadon
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662329  Fademigo
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662330                                          Pamoldar
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662337                      Kolamider
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662342                                                              Rostadom
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662347  Fidimoga

I have added their names, and spread them into category's. (so you don't have too)
Can you see the pattern here? Check the first posts if you need further confirmation.  

Over 1500 spam posts here between 22 farmed accounts.
(list covers nearly 4 hour time span)
There are thousands more.

*** bbc. spammer list
added  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662347  Fidimoga (23)
435  Other / Meta / Re: Account farming. Allowed? on: August 25, 2016, 09:38:22 PM

You are not a farmed account.

The robots you speak to are actually farmed accounts.
I had a quick look. You spoke quoted 1 a few days ago. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662306

I see... so the key indicator is when their activity matches their post count?  I noticed that happens sometimes and took a moment to figure out how it was possible, but at the time I put it down to coincidence.  I know what to look for now, thanks!

It is not quite that simple.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1591598.0 Gives a better, slightly confusing, methodology to finding them.

I will try to publish clearer information here now I'm up to speed!
436  Other / Meta / Re: Account farming. Allowed? on: August 25, 2016, 09:22:08 PM
I find this quite disturbing.  Ok, so I'm only a newbie and my posts may not be particularly productive, but I'm a real person who types what comes into my head with no hidden agenda.  I too am here to talk about Bitcoin, and read, and mostly learn.  Crypto is my new obsession.  Yet even in my short time here I have found it hard work filtering through all the pointless and spammy posts, and the trolls!!  I know there are trolls everywhere but sometimes here it feels like I'm not even arguing with a real person!  Trolls and arguments aside, when it feels like you're talking to a robot, there's just no point.  It's a shame because all the fake posts obscure the really good stuff that genuine members come here for.  And without genuine members and their contributions, any forum is worthless.

You are not a farmed account.

The robots you speak to are actually farmed accounts.
I had a quick look. You spoke quoted 1 a few days ago. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662306


Depends on the board, some like gambling are almost exclusively spam, some are decent.
If you have trouble filtering decent posts, DannyHamilton made a list that blocks sig spammers.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=973843.0

Basically anyone with that is in or has been in a signature campaign is there (mine included).
You can create your own list too I suppose.

Because they can get away with talking endless spam in gambling. (and speculation)
Dannys list is great, (i don't use any blocker) but it is a sticking plaster against farmed accounts.
And the difference between farmed and unfarmed spam is also relevant and differentiating.

437  Other / Meta / Re: Account farming. Allowed? on: August 25, 2016, 08:23:05 PM
It's a shitty practice,  but it's going to satutate the market eventually,  and it's getting close already.   Put a neg on all account buyers and sellers, that's my suggestion.   Give em a little disincentive to do it.  I totally agree with you, rizz.  

It is the wrong suggestion.

I don't care for the trust system. Don't understand it, never used it.
I just want to talk about bitcoin, and read about it. I cant anymore.

These accounts are self sustaining. They post, they earn. The more they want to earn, the more accounts they need.
The more spam there is, the less real members there are.

Theymos should be the disincentive I think?
(added, lets pretend Theymos and the mods/staff probably aren't running this farming business until we have a response)
438  Economy / Reputation / Re: Known spammers: User generated on: August 25, 2016, 08:13:19 PM
I don't want Kahir banned. That was never the point.
I'm just highlighting the "flexability" of application on a "hard" rule. (hard rule according to some mods, see above post)
.
Is it just me?

Lauda, hilariousandco, AND Cyrus

I've banned both of them, the forum has 0 tolerance for this practice. Thanks!

But apparently it does. 2 out of 3 copy/pasters still posting.
439  Other / Meta / Re: Account farming. Allowed? on: August 25, 2016, 07:55:02 PM

Yes, it is allowed.

As I suspected!

However there are other "rules and vague rumour, open to individual moderators to enforce" that could cover this situation?
Like vague rule number 1, "1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads."
(from the "somewhat complete, unofficial list" at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0

I'm not looking for someone with 2 alts. This is different.
440  Other / Meta / Account farming. Allowed? on: August 25, 2016, 07:40:26 PM
* Updated farmed account list being prepared..... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1670807.0. *


Is account farming allowed? It has ruined this forum.

There is clear evidence that account farming on a professional scale is, and has been taking place. The process of bringing accounts upto rank creates endless spam. Then when the accounts are sold, the new owner is likely to recoup his outlay by spamming for a sig campaign. An endless cycle of meaningless BS spam.
(some of the new owners may want to do other things such as scam or sway argument, of course)

These professional account farmers are very good at their job. You will not see the obvious if you will not look. They are the root cause of spam here.
It is too late bbc.reporter listing 20 farmed accounts. There are 1000's. By the time they are added to someones list - the damage to the forum is done.

Theymos must know what is happening.
Global mods must know what is happening, and could act. Other mods/staff must know what is happening but cannot (directly) act.

I do not have access to IP's. I cannot see (or know) if a member is banned. The member search doesn't even work.
I found all this easy enough when looking into a list of 20 claimed spammers.
Beside my user experience being ruined, I'm not that bothered. It is not my forum. I did think theymos might have been bothered for genuine members though.
I may have got it all wrong?

I'm bringing this (relevant half) quote over here as a starting point of my evidence. (sorry if i messed up your thread (OP) bbc.reporter. and sorry Mitchell, i was also guilty of not reading your post correctly. i understand the 0 post farmed accounts i mentioned are all banned, but bbc's list? and the other active accounts i have identified?) I will identify/post more farmed accounts here as necessary for proof. (unless farming is allowed and ok)

I previously linked (some of) OP  listed active accounts. There are many more "patterns" which are easily findable in these active farmed accounts.
They are all bought up to status by posting once a fortnight. the minimum post to max potential?
(you need to look at the first posts on the account. it may be sold now)

Christmas day wont stop the system. (i know, why should it)
But for fun(!) look at "stadus", https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664919
Check his original posts https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664919;sa=showPosts;start=180
He posted Nov 25, Dec 5/14/25, Jan 7/20, Feb 2/14/27

Now see "asidaman", https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664926 (he joined 4 min 11 seconds later than stadus)
Check his original posts. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664926;sa=showPosts
He posted Nov 25, Dec 6/14/25, Jan 7/20, Feb 2/15/28
This pattern runs right through OP target period

***


Look at "efemen" (from OP list) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667865
And compare with (all registered within 8 minutes)
"Falmant" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667868
"Gatotare" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667872
"Hamaber" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667873

They posted on (from first posts remember)
Dec 27, Jan 5/16/27, Feb 9/22
Dec 27, Jan 6/17/29, Feb 10/23
Dec 27, Jan 7/18/30, Feb 9/22
Dec 27, Feb 8/19/31, Feb 10/23
This pattern runs right through OP target period?

***

keep in mind that the problem is also caused by the signature campaigns themselves. They usually are not putting up enough pressure on their participants regarding quality, or just don't care at all.


Trouble is Lauda, the posts of these farmers are far superior to the posts of members like twa https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=49360
They fool the mods, they fool the global mods, they fool theymos. Should Lutpin not be fooled?

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