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Again, back to my point... does banning them stop them? No, it barely slows them down, and it has side effects for other users who may use the same services as the scammer with no ill intent, not to mention innocent people who are accused and forced to prove their innocence to angry mobs. The real question is, what makes you think you can stop them? Why is it Mastercard and Visa haven't been able to solve this problem yet, but you think you have the solution?
What an odd way of seeing things -- "Mastercard and Visa haven't been able to solve this problem yet." MasterCard and Visa don't let the carders keep using the stolen numbers once it's been established that carders are carders and stolen numbers are stolen numbers. Yet that's exactly what happens here -- the scammer is free to continue scamming. We've even started a new section specifically for ponzis
If your argument against banning scammers holds any water, no users should ever be banned. This forum does ban users now. Randomly, for undefined offenses, "on a hunch." In other words, the "whole new arena of vectors for additional abuse and obfuscation" you talk about isn't new, it's with us today.
Case in point (and why I'm replying from a new account):
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Innocent people who are accused, thats happening already, whats your point with that one? Even in real life sometimes innocent people will go to jail but that doesnt mean we shouldng throw anyone to jail. If you ban the obvious scammers you are punishing them because they will have to create another account and wait several months to get a normal rank if they intend to scam again, also you are stopping thrm from posting in the forum, why shuld we let scammers post in the forum anyways? I always see people with -100 ratings posting here like nothing happened after they have stolen btc from people.
My point is simple: scammers should be banned when discovered, and not simply labeled with a tag. Just like I would throw out a thief from my house, instead of building him a room of his own to live in (e.g. the ponzi section of this forum). I think we agree with each other on this, I could be misreading you tho.
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Indeed my point. Most of it happens because its allowed, you are allowed to post scams in the investor based games and no one will tell you anything, you can sell accounts etc etc.
The lending section as well its full of newbie scammers, easy solution, dont allow newbies and jr.members to post on the lending section. There are plenty of solutions for each problem but in the end nothing happens and the scammers still win.
The lending section as well its full of newbie scammers, easy solution, dont allow newbies and jr.members to post on the lending section. There are plenty of solutions for each problem but in the end nothing happens and the scammers still win.
Again, back to my point... does banning them stop them? No, it barely slows them down, and it has side effects for other users who may use the same services as the scammer with no ill intent, not to mention innocent people who are accused and forced to prove their innocence to angry mobs. The real question is, what makes you think you can stop them? Why is it Mastercard and Visa haven't been able to solve this problem yet, but you think you have the solution?
What an odd way of seeing things -- "Mastercard and Visa haven't been able to solve this problem yet." MasterCard and Visa don't let the carders keep using the stolen numbers once it's been established that carders are carders and stolen numbers are stolen numbers. Yet that's exactly what happens here -- the scammer is free to continue scamming. We've even started a new section specifically for ponzis
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Please tell me how you can really honestly say you are punishing or stopping scammers using these methods. Calling people out is one thing, but then when you enter into messing with the trust system and banning you are entering a whole new arena of vectors for additional abuse and obfuscation.
If your argument against banning scammers holds any water, no users should ever be banned. This forum does ban users now. Randomly, for undefined offenses, "on a hunch." In other words, the "whole new arena of vectors for additional abuse and obfuscation" you talk about isn't new, it's with us today.
Case in point (and why I'm replying from a new account):
Care to comment?
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When I discover a thief in my house, I throw him out. Call me crazy.
Innocent people who are accused, thats happening already, whats your point with that one? Even in real life sometimes innocent people will go to jail but that doesnt mean we shouldng throw anyone to jail. If you ban the obvious scammers you are punishing them because they will have to create another account and wait several months to get a normal rank if they intend to scam again, also you are stopping thrm from posting in the forum, why shuld we let scammers post in the forum anyways? I always see people with -100 ratings posting here like nothing happened after they have stolen btc from people.
My point is simple: scammers should be banned when discovered, and not simply labeled with a tag. Just like I would throw out a thief from my house, instead of building him a room of his own to live in (e.g. the ponzi section of this forum). I think we agree with each other on this, I could be misreading you tho.
