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1  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: wtt my $20 paypal for your 0.03025 btc ($13) on: January 06, 2016, 08:30:53 PM
Still available? I sent PM but did not get a reply...
2  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: December 29, 2015, 06:01:22 PM
If you need god in your life to stop you from having relationships with your mother/sister and from lying and stealing then you've got serious problems.


What about if you truly believe in GOD'S LAW OF BALANCE then you will never lust after dangerous sex and thus avoid "unwanted" pregnancy and disease as well as many emotional discomforts which may be impacting you upon a soul level.
3  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: December 29, 2015, 04:48:49 AM
If the only relevant criticism of these results is that the memory of the patient was contaminated, I think that further studies of the large amount of strong anecdotal cases reveals this criticism to be in error. To be sure, no one can defend their own memory from such criticism, so to state that the memory is wrong *somehow* is unscientific. Why not say that the medical workers had contaminated memories? Neither explanation provides a mechanism and this kind of hand waving argument is unsatisfactory, it also contradicts point 52 on the near-death site where a scientific study suggests that these memories are more real than normal memories.
4  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: December 29, 2015, 04:25:18 AM

ive read books on cases offering evidence suggestive of reincarnation etc although i still think these need to be taken with a grain of salt


Is it not a documented case of perception and memory formation during brain death?

And what about the other people who have had NDEs involving veridical perception while they were brain dead?

The case In the AWARE study, along with other such cases, does suggest that the brain does not generate consciousness. This type of case was well documented in the AWARE results, so the conclusion is scientifically documented, this kind of case proves that NDE cannot be explained by brain chemistry alone, and this is a key point that is made on the near-death page which lists the 52 points of evidence.
5  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: December 28, 2015, 08:08:12 AM
Im not sure how you think i dont know the difference between religion and spiritual
That is because you are a rational atheist and a humanist, as described in the chapter called "What is Atheism" in Atheism and Secularity, Vol. 1.

ive read books on cases offering evidence suggestive of reincarnation etc although i still think these need to be taken with a grain of salt
I think you have had some time to do your research, so please answer me this:
Why should we view the results of the AWARE study with skepticism?

Is it not a documented case of perception and memory formation during brain death?

And what about the other people who have had NDEs involving veridical perception while they were brain dead?
6  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: December 28, 2015, 07:53:04 AM
Why the sarcasm? No ability to make your point directly? Let's get educated; shall we?

Read about domesticated plants, and domesticated man; also, cheetahs, a very strange breed of "cat"... or is it a "dog"; maybe a "catdog"??
http://www.whale.to/b/pye1.html

Why should we have false idols? Man has his OWN free will. I found for you the truth about cats in ancient Egypt:
Now, do not distract yourselves into other cultures---we are now speaking of ancient Egyptian culture where in the priests thought the cat symbolic of the magnetic forces of Nature, and they surrounded themselves with the animals for the sake of the astral fire which emanated from their bodies. Such animals were symbols of eternity, for when they sleep they curl up into a ball with the head and tail touching---an endless circle. It is important that you come into understanding as to how some things came to be traditional and legendary to allow the story to come to fruition. Wrong conclusions are drawn from ignorance--always!

I have pointed out that atheism is a lie, that all atheists/humanists oppose the scientific explanation known as the survival hypothesis as though their very lives depended upon it;
you cannot address the evidence supporting that hypothesis so instead you create false idol pretenses to distract and deny the truth? I did not get your point with the cats, so enough sarcasm my educated friend; it is time for you to please educate ME, but do not rush to exit this discussion like most of the other atheists in this thread; that makes me sad; I would like to be educated!

See GOD in yourself first--you are closer to GOD than you realize; JESUS SAID THAT GOD'S KINGDOM IS WITHIN YOU, not "here, God's Kingdom is here in the flesh in me, Jesus" or "there", for God's Kingdom does NOT come with observation (of history or events). He is telling you to join him on a higher level of consciousness.

Those who preach the ONENESS OF GOD (like the ancient Egyptians) and the brotherhood/sisterhood of humanity, These ones are blessed and true "prophets", the Peacemakers--whose guidance you must seek in your spiritual quest. Never the person--always the WORD!
7  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: December 27, 2015, 11:42:51 PM
The only video('s comments) you need to see is : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-D8Mf9DdQI
Just look at the comments.

P.S: Oh , and an atheist here.

"You only need to see this"... is that not what the false religions teach?

"Just look here, but not anywhere else".
8  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: December 27, 2015, 11:39:57 PM
We are what we are, nothing but animals in the wild.

Take a good look around you if you believe any different.

Actually, if you take a good look at domesticated plants, you will see that it is evidence against evolution as usually promoted, so how can we be animals when it is obvious that there was intervention?
http://www.whale.to/b/pye1.html

Please don't take my post as questioning, I was merely stating that if you look around you, "in the wider sense" you will see that we are not (in the vast majority of cases) capable of controlling our natural instincts.

If I want to lose weight, I can simply close my mouth. The animals cannot DO the same because they don't have free will. What makes Man different from the animals is that man has a spark of GOD dwelling within him. You Know What intervened to give man the body and genes that he currently has so that man may evolve as a vessel housing that spark of GOD and realize the universal brotherhood of humankind. It's my educated conclusion (opinion) that I came to after thinking about the evidence that I have posted in this thread, including the Golden Rule which states that we are all ONE. The animals never realize that life is sacred because they don't KNOW anything, man is not primarily an animal, but a creature of reason so that is the part of man that must evolve.

Quote from: Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly;
Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?'
Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land;
Man got to tell himself he understand.
9  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: December 27, 2015, 05:14:58 PM
We are what we are, nothing but animals in the wild.

Take a good look around you if you believe any different.

Actually, if you take a good look at domesticated plants, you will see that it is evidence against evolution as usually promoted, so how can we be animals when it is obvious that there was intervention?
http://www.whale.to/b/pye1.html
10  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: December 27, 2015, 03:31:07 PM
I guess because atheists do not have a sense of a religious. You know religion is a bond a person with his god. should you (atheists) believe is that every life is a journey toward us into the next life. you believe about life after in the world?

It is impossible for an atheist to believe in life after death or rebirth because these ideas are opposed to humanist dogma and all atheists are humanists since what else could they be?. Since there is so much evidence of life after death, the burden of proof has shifted to the skeptics, they fail to offer a serious scientific explanation to justify humanism.

The sole purpose contradiction or argument these religious morons hold against atheism IS just philosophical at best. True that philosophy has it's place in our world but when philosophy turns into religious preaching it is then when humanity begins to lose the battle against these idiots.

I do not preach any religion, rather I ask atheists to use reason in evaluating the mountains of evidence for the survival hypothesis. It is too bad that all atheists/humanists oppose this scientific explanation as though their very lives depended upon it.
11  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: December 27, 2015, 03:18:54 PM
I guess because atheists do not have a sense of a religious. You know religion is a bond a person with his god. should you (atheists) believe is that every life is a journey toward us into the next life. you believe about life after in the world?

It is impossible for an atheist to believe in life after death or rebirth because these ideas are opposed to humanist dogma and all atheists are humanists since what else could they be?. Since there is so much evidence of life after death, the burden of proof has shifted to the skeptics, they fail to offer a serious scientific explanation to justify humanism.

Researchers van Lommel and French wrote in New Scientist that if there was a documented case of perception and memory formation during brain death then this would suggest that the brain does not generate consciousness. Such a case was provided in the later AWARE study and other cases also have good documentation; there are many other lines of evidence that are very hard to explain without the survival hypothesis, even though it is a nonphysical explanation, it is the only one that explains the hard data and mountains of anecdotal evidence. It has been proven by rigorous science and the same can be said for the Orch OR theory of quantum consciousness.
12  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: December 27, 2015, 05:58:31 AM
So Buddhism is not a religion, and yet all Buddhists believe in rebirth; the so-called "Buddhist atheists" are not genuine precisely because they reject rebirth (they are humanists). No one who has become enlightened by the Buddhist path(s) has ever come back to tell us that this is the only existence available to us.
13  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: December 27, 2015, 05:10:33 AM


You didn't answer my question!! Tell me, how can you talk about things that you never have experienced them?? Smiley

Quite easily. the same way i can talk about werewolves,vampires,santa claus,tooth fairy,lochness monster,zeus,hercules,big foot,mermaids,minotaurs,krampus,trolls,the kraken etc. Ive not experienced any of those but i can be quite confident in speaking about them because they are all myths.god fits perfectly in with the others i mentioned. Do you suggest i dont speak of these since i have not actually experienced any of them? maybe they are all real?

Dude, we are talking about NDE, not myths! Please be patient and answer my questions and then I will answer yours... Smiley

By the way, do you think that there is a difference between a myth and legend? If Yes, please explain me. And don't forget that you should first answer my first question and then we can go on the second! Wink

Sorry i misunderstood your last question about how can i talk about something ive never experienced, I thought you were talking about experiencing god or jesus which a lot of religious people seem to claim not experiencing an NDE. Obviously ive not experienced god or an NDE. Even if i did though i might be convinced  i went to heaven or wherever you go but that doesnt make it so. A convincing dream is still a dream. Id need to see whatever article or study you are using though before i can debunk it , I mean im no expert on NDE as i imagine you arent either and can only go by whatever study s have been done on them.

Why don't you try to debunk the AWARE study by proposing an alternative explanation for why a patient who has a flat EEG AND no blood flow is able to create a true memory of a perception that happened before the restoration of blood flow?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg13349586#msg13349586
14  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: December 25, 2015, 10:23:10 PM
All the religions on earth cannot be right.

How do we pick?  The most followers?
If you seek what is true and right, then why would you just pick one ideology? Why not pick out the truth that is presented from ALL sources? Then you can have a collection of truths that make sense to you.
To be rational means that you have the ability to intelligently evaluate new ideas when presented. You have to intelligently seek out the truth and discern what is true with patience and openness. Nearly every human culture and religion declare the importance of the golden rule, so in that sense they are all right, they are ALL giving you the truth, this means that we are all ONE.
Do you not pray for insight and information? The CALL COMPELS THE ANSWER! If you pray to God for help--and you mean it, good friend--you will GET IT!
There IS TRUTH to some extent in all things--IN FACT, ALL THINGS ARE ALL TRUTH--JUST NOT THE TRUTH OF GOODNESS AND LIFE.
Do you take unto YOURSELF everything AVAILABLE by and through a given source--UNTIL YOU KNOW FOR SELF THAT IT BE TRUTH? Or, do you LISTEN TO ANOTHER'S OPINION about this or that and let THEM control your own beliefs?

Readers, THERE IS ONLY ONE--anything. And yet, look around you--except for the PROJECTIONS OF MAN--everything, everywhere, any time, any place--is TRUTH! And, further, even man is not a LIE, he only presents the lie. Even in his projection, further, lays also truth if nothing more than the truthful validity of a given spoken "term". For this reason--must you discern, accept, study and come to recognize THE TRUTH WHICH FITS YOUR PATH OF INTENT! "All truths are individual and all truths are equal in their priority." This does not mean, however, that all truths are equal in their IMPORTANCE! Further, Crow will tell you: "We are all sacred and in that sacredness we have an obligation and responsibility to all things to which we are connected." This does NOT mean you have some "right" to butt into an-other's business and cram your "truth" down his throat!
15  Economy / Economics / Re: outside from bitcoin is network marketing profitable ? on: December 25, 2015, 04:09:52 AM
Most network marketers do not succeed, but if you have the right product/company, marketing system, and compensation plan then success is possible but it will depend on your talent, effort, resources, etc.
16  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: December 24, 2015, 10:13:57 PM
The most likely explanation for having a nde while brain dead is that the nde happened as the patient awakened and normal brain activity was returning.

Actually, that explanation is far from likely; it is actually impossible because of the simple fact that the patient cannot "wake up" or hallucinate until after blood flow is restored AND EEG activity returns. Therefore, if a patient who has a flat EEG AND no blood flow has a memory of a perception that happened before the restoration of blood flow, that perception is medically unexplainable.
Specifically, your explanation contradicts the evidence in the AWARE study where the patient was brain dead, had a flat EEG, perceived a sound, and was subsequently shocked; while being shocked, he still had a flat EEG and remembered feeling no pain, which is another indication that he was brain dead. Oxygen from CPR is not sufficient to wake up the patient, and this is a medical fact; you need to have blood flow to be conscious after brain death. His memory of veridical perception during brain death is medically impossible, and there are more documented cases of this type listed in the 52 points of evidence that I linked to.

I offered my proof; you can forget about BADecker; I have him on ignore. Take some time to educate yourself and do some thinking;
you have to think about the evidence because it contradicts the traditional humanist assumptions.

My proof is posted here, but it requires that you understand the implications of the evidence of NDE during brain death.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg13320231#msg13320231
17  Economy / Economics / Re: The economic model behind Bitcoin is flawed on: December 24, 2015, 09:48:39 PM
Here is a history lesson for you; the cover story is an excellent essay and if you are such an expert then you will surely not hesitate to read it.
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/950307.pdf

With knowledge comes intelligent action, so the first step is to realize one's own situation by remembering history.

I am posting here to ask the OP if he has read this essay that I recommended and if not then why not?
18  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: December 24, 2015, 09:39:35 PM
I a attempting to believe in nothing but trying to think how stuff works around me and why/how people believe the non-existent's.

A materialistic explanation for Near Death Experience is non-existent. These experiences are known to be medically unexplainable. If you are trying to think about how stuff works, why don't you think about my reply to you, including the 52 points of evidence and evidence from quantum biology; why do you choose instead to ignore it?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg13328132#msg13328132

I dont accept your gods and see no reason to capitalise your god

Why accept humanism? Humanism teaches that there is no life after death, but the truth is that we can shape what happens to us in the afterlife by our beliefs and decisions in this life.

I'm not at my pc so I can't really write out everything I would like to right now but basically all those facts can also be easily explained by science.  

What about the facts of NDE? How can science explain them? I have not heard a rational argument about this from you and the other atheists in this thread, including OP.

I did cover nde's briefly some posts back and it was basicly due to brain chemistry/endorphins release causing hallucinations. It could be semi lucid dreaming. I read a study a while back that showed that those who floated above their beds actually got detail wrong about colour of sheets etc and who was in the room so more than likely nothing supernatural. not to mention lack of oxygen is going to seriously alter what your brain thinks is happening.
Your argument is invalid because NDE cannot be explained by brain chemistry alone:

You need a functioning brain with blood flow and electrical firing to have hallucinations and/or perceptions. None of that is present during brain death. So how are the perceptions explained?
In the AWARE study, the patient had true perceptions during brain death that were later confirmed by witnesses.


One researcher calls these "actual death experiences" because it is impossible to hallucinate, have perceptions, memory formation, etc. under such circumstances.

And like i said before im open minded, i just cant believe the ridiculous unless im given hard proof. I mean real proof not the kind that BADecker spouts that shows no proof whatsoever.
Open minded? Read my latest posts, read the 52 points of evidence and try to understand Orch OR. Since your argument is invalid, you need to devote yourself to more study in order to correct your understanding.
19  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: December 24, 2015, 09:31:31 PM
Tell me when were you first indoctrinated? at birth or later in life?

Good question; I will give you my answer:

I studied all religious and inspired texts that were available to me; the first "religious" book I ever read was Tao Te Ching and it was a helpful touchstone for me in late adolescence when I dropped the religion of my parents (Christianity) and founded the atheist/secular club at my university. The timeless wisdom of Tao led me to a deep appreciation of the mystery of life and the universe; eventually, I found the truth that I was seeking, but it was a lot of hard work to remove the last layers of cultural brainwashing and like I said: I studied all texts that were available to me, so I came to my own conclusions only after I knew what each faith actually taught; Tao helped by teaching me that patience and openness are virtues; my atheist friends did not really talk about virtue so I distanced myself from them. As a science student, I was very interested in the origin of life and the universe; this was one of the mysteries which drew me into my spiritual studies; it led me to examine the nature of reality by reading all of the authors and texts which attempted to answer that question so that I could find and discern the truth for myself, without any outside mental conditioning.
20  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: December 24, 2015, 09:19:07 PM
I a attempting to believe in nothing but trying to think how stuff works around me and why/how people believe the non-existent's.

A materialistic explanation for Near Death Experience is non-existent. These experiences are known to be medically unexplainable. If you are trying to think about how stuff works, why don't you think about my reply to you, including the 52 points of evidence and evidence from quantum biology; why do you choose instead to ignore it?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg13328132#msg13328132

I dont accept your gods and see no reason to capitalise your god

Why accept humanism? Humanism teaches that there is no life after death, but the truth is that we can shape what happens to us in the afterlife by our beliefs and decisions in this life.

I'm not at my pc so I can't really write out everything I would like to right now but basically all those facts can also be easily explained by science.  

What about the facts of NDE? How can science explain them? I have not heard a rational argument about this from you and the other atheists in this thread, including OP.
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