bump, $50 came though no issues.

I heard through the grapevine that coinjar has already switched to a new bank from NAB, so well done to them

No, not most - All by the very definition.
Guess who all the early investors are..... the ponzi operator.
Ponzi's also by their very definition HOLD onto money, because fucking morons encouraged by fucking idiots like yourself attempt to compound their investment.

boumalo, Im done with you - I kindly ask you to stop arguing in favour of ponzi's or I shall brand you a shill and be done with it.
Your arguments are pathetic, dangerous and highly ignorant (wilfully ?) of the subject you argue.

Your like the uncle that lets kids play with hand guns for fun because water pistols are weak, all the while sipping a beer and telling the terrified neighbours to stop getting their knickers in a knot while bullets are flying through the suburbs.

In short, you give horrific advice, endorse terrible actions and act as if its an OK thing to do.

Got some family business to attend to for the next several days so I'll be offline mostly.

its hard work doing a list like this.

agreed that is definitely not the correct way to describe.

you provide the seed BEFORE any cards are dealt because the seed is used to reshuffle the deck.

False, a ponzi by definition is insolvent and the end goal of all ponzi's is to acquire as much funds as possible before it collapses.
Ponzi operators ALWAYS run off with the money.

Get that through your head boumalo, there is no "honest ponzi" and there has never been nor will there ever be a "solvent ponzi"
(unless run by the federal reserve bank but thats a different discussion).

They are all new accounts because they intend to disappear once idiots stop pouring money into their wallet.

lol, "fun fan", I meant to say "fun van" but "fun fan" also sounds like an offer Id turn down from a seedy looking stranger.



its not hart its just poorly enforced.
Report ponzi threads to the mods using the links and sometimes they get shifted.

Hi, nice reply - Ive just woken up after a heavy night

Ive also noticed a bit honest confusion regarding provably fair.
Satoshidice I believe was the first implementation of provably fair, prior to that sites such as minefeild and bitcoingamer offered what I call provable results.

I think I need to make a casino check list, I'll start work today on it for casino operators to review.


Briefly though, the concept of provably fair in a nutshell is:

Card Shuffling:

Casino provides hash (next deck + casino seed).
Player provides seed for deck shuffle.
Player already knows the hash BEFORE setting his seed which determines the outcome.

Simple RNG: eg roulette, slots, etc:

Casino provides hash of daily secret.
Player makes bet and sets his seed.
Player already knows the hash BEFORE setting his seed which determines the outcome.

So the issue with the implementation you currently have is:

Player provides seed.
Casino provides hash (next deck + casino seed).
Casino already knows the players secret which  determines the outcome BEFORE providing the games hash.

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So what is currently on offer if provable results.
As I said before, it looks like a sincere attempt at provably fair but just implemented wrong

I'll fire off an email to that company as well, provably fair is something I hope to see spread to the whole gambling world.

hrmm seems hostgator dislikes bignum or their version they have installed is old, so Ive had to leave it off for now.
I'll harass support into updating it later.

found and fixed, this old code use to work of base units of 1 so some old code had bet = 1 instead of bet = $min
also turned on bignum with precision of 10 decimal places, should be more than enough to handle bitcoin nicely

done, let me know what you think
it does make scrolling easier as well.


Ive pm'ed you the current password if you want to have some fun.

hrmm not a bad idea, I currently bold the lines if you are out in front buuuut bg colour will make for easier scrolling through the results.
I'll tweak it shortly and re-up.

hrmm not cool.


So, in actual fact he chose to take on the deposit bonus but this bonus then limits your withdrawal for X rounds ?



Having a look @ your page now.

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have not created an account yet but this does not sound like an ideal implementation, because you know the players seed ahead of time nullifying all benefits of a client being able to seed the RNG.

Have a look at bitzino for a good example, they show you the next hands hash first then allow the player to input a seed for the shuffle.

I'll jump on after dinner and give it a little play test and send a PM for some more feedback.

edit:

After a proper look this casino is not currently provably fair BUT it looks like they made a sincere attempt to do so.


This really does not make it clear to players that by accepting the 20% bonus they will have to "play to hit 3,500 roll over points" to withdraw.
IMHO this is unacceptable.

just adjusted the ordering.

Now Categories are ordered alphabetically (easier for users).
Games are listed in random order (that way Im not favouring 1 site over another).

list updated, site also updated

hope you like the new badges on the website, I had some fun picking out those this morning.

also, Im thinking of adding a "under 3 months old" demerit badge with points of -0.25
I think its needed because we do occasionally have casinos come online, pass all the checks and then once they have sufficient confidence run off with the player funds.

Will be adding altcoin badge support soon, been taking a break from coding to actually use the code as a user and see how I like it.

In that respect sure its a gamble.

Lets be fair to ponzi operators, their "games" are definitely :

• Safe as walking across the street blindfolded
• Trustworthy as letting a random stranger take your child for a ride in his "fun" van
• Sound in planning and execution as a perpetual energy device
• An investment opportunity that is easily on par with dropping money in a wishing well and wishing for money

I mean its not all bad right ?

Its just something no decent person could watch an innocent person get taken advantage of.
At least with actual gambling (and not gambling in the philosophical/ poetic sense) players are aware the house has the edge, the games are frequently entertaining (horse races & poker for me) and the house is solvent.

pretty much word for word from the bitzino provably fair FAQ and your TL;DR = TL;SDR

here is mine.

• Dealer hashes (deck order + dealer seed).
• client provides random seed for shuffler
• deck is shuffled with clients seed

Once original deck order and dealer seed is shown, check hash(deck order + dealer seed) against the hash you were shown, then shuffle the deck with the clients seed and check against the cards dealt.

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Still reading ? cool then lets discuss some details:

Q> Why does the dealer need a random seed ?
A> Well if he didnt seed the hash, you could create a hash table of every deck combination then when playing simply look up the deck order using the hash then shuffle it using your seed and you will know the order of the deck.

Q> Whats so important about a client seed.
A> without this its not provably fair, its only provable results.

Q> Can I trust the site to generate my seed for me every time.
A> No, you should use your own RNG or at the very least verify their RNG is actually a RNG.
Let me put it another way, would you let the dealer cut the deck for you ? if not, then you should be setting your own seeds using your own RNG or ensuring the client side RNG is what it claims to be.

ponzi's ARE NOT "gambling games" NOR are they "Bets".
I like how people wax poetic on the definition of gambling version gambling games.

Ponzi's are a gamble, like everything in life eg: Im going to walk across a busy street blind folded and I wont get hurt.

Any support for ponzi's is indulging stupidity and risky behaviour and trust in the untrustworthy (ponzi operators).

I doubt its coinjar themselves.


I think this is the issue, coinjar is again without a bank to work with.
Ive no doubt your BTC deposit and withdrawals are working but it looks like the powers that be are not finished fucking around with bitcoin businesses.

edit: seems still have some BTC etc there, I'll fire off a $100 withdrawal now and report if it doesnt come through in the usual time.