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161  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 30, 2021, 07:39:06 PM

The elderly tend to die...shouldn't change the housing market. They've been doing so for a while now.

No, it's not just a question of space, also of time. If people live shorter they take up less spacetime.

Talking of time, my buddy dying does not free space now, as he and his wife lived in quite a small house so she has no real reason to move. However if she might find someone else in a couple of years and start to live together again, that will free some space (in time).

I suspect that as the vaccines roll out there will be ample housing. And likely a huge shortage of wheelchairs.
162  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 30, 2021, 07:14:51 PM
The first house in the Netherlands to be bought entirely with #bitcoin was just sold for 21₿.
https://twitter.com/DocumentingBTC/status/1388192059044110339?s=20

Though looks expensive for what I see .....

If a place like that costs less then 21 BTC in Belgium I might consider moving there!

Houseprices went up 11% compared to 12 months ago in NL. We have a permanent shortage of about 300k houses here.

Edit: my appartment is 65 square meters, it's worth 400k euro atm............ Prices are crazy!

A clear sign of a global pandemic with people dying left and right is a housing shortage... Wink

Well a buddy of mine died of it. But no change in the housing situation because his widow is still living in the house.

A colleague has all but died - hope he'll pull through but chances are slim. But he also has a wife. Don't know if she'll move if he doesn't survive.

Five people died of Covid in the small home for elderly where my GF works. That might start some movement in the housing market, as five other people can now move in.

The elderly tend to die...shouldn't change the housing market. They've been doing so for a while now.
163  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 30, 2021, 06:49:45 PM
The first house in the Netherlands to be bought entirely with #bitcoin was just sold for 21₿.
https://twitter.com/DocumentingBTC/status/1388192059044110339?s=20

Though looks expensive for what I see .....

If a place like that costs less then 21 BTC in Belgium I might consider moving there!

Houseprices went up 11% compared to 12 months ago in NL. We have a permanent shortage of about 300k houses here.

Edit: my appartment is 65 square meters, it's worth 400k euro atm............ Prices are crazy!

A clear sign of a global pandemic with people dying left and right is a housing shortage... Wink
164  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 29, 2021, 02:19:59 PM

I'm sure you, from all of the people, know that there's no perfect solution, and everything comes with its own tradeoffs and caveats. A tax free heaven that looks perfect on paper, can be a real shithole due to a ton of other problems. Does it really matter if you don't have to pay any income taxes, but now you have to "grease the wheels" of everyone who has a bigger gun then you do? And are a bunch of people putting a claim on all of the resources of the country is not just another form of taxation?


I voluntarily pay my Bitcoin private fees to use their service.

I do not expect ETH users to pay Bitcoin fees to use their service.

It's....voluntary....aint that great?

I don't believe in panaceas, systems are so complex that if someone points at one gear and claims it to be the root of all evil, most likely is trying to sell you something.
You must realize that not everyone is going to sit around bonfire and sing Kumbaya without gov taxes? Sure you take a publicly available unbiased decentralized open algorithm as an example, but what about regional monopolies? Or you're saying that all i'd have to do is get bigger guns and buy up roads/properties surrounding your house and then i can charge you whatever extortion fees for use? Or get together with a couple of friends to box you in or buy up local ISP/water/power plant? Of course if you don't like that you always have an option to move to another place or build your own ISP/water/power plant or get bigger guns and wrestle it away from me. Monopolies and oligopolies would be rampant a lot of people would be trying to corner the market. I think claiming that there are no downsides to any changes and everyone only stands to benefit is naïve/misleading. Did you keep count how many bribes you had to pay during your endeavors, doubt those people accepting bribes decide to start a Mars program one day to help humanity.

Anyone who uses Bitcoin should understand consensus. If it is consensus to use systems such as decentralised justice systems then those will be used instead of involuntary extortion schemes.

I would hope that people that by now, with Bitcoin having proven that a voluntary system is possible, that people would accept that such a system can be used for more than just money right?

It's completely lazy thinking to rely on extortion to pay for things. It's time to re-think that little piece of our "civilised society". It is like defending slavery as people are just finally realising that hey, maybe this is the wrong way of getting our food...maybe we can do better.

You are defending extortion...just remember that.

Hope you're right, but the effectiveness of such ideas first need to be demonstrated and proven as working in real world on smaller countries/economies. Don't see it happening in US first, as in hey everyone lets just get rid of IRS and try out this idea which works on paper.

I agree, most libertarians come at the problem from the perspective of making it happen where they live. It does need to be proven at the small scale first (outside of historical proof such as Iceland for 400 years). I think the Blockchain city ( https://www.blockchains.com/ ) can give a good start if it can get people to move there to start testing things out.
165  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 29, 2021, 02:14:34 PM
Taxes are kind of a price to pay to live in a civilized society.

If civilisation is built upon involuntary extortion...it's not really civilised is it?

Indeed! In fact this extortion for services should be removed. The first place of course is the grocery store: People should be allowed to take what they wish and pay whatever they believe is "fair".

That's kind of where your argument is going and it's not a good place. But truth be told that sort of "voluntary cooperation" was requested of people in 2020 and oddly enough a significant number chose to be "free riders" with respect to using cloth masks. So it don't work.

End of line. :-)

Asking people to voluntarily stop watching the TV doesn't work. You're right about the "free riders" ruining everyone else's life by not cooperating.
166  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 28, 2021, 10:35:52 PM

I'm sure you, from all of the people, know that there's no perfect solution, and everything comes with its own tradeoffs and caveats. A tax free heaven that looks perfect on paper, can be a real shithole due to a ton of other problems. Does it really matter if you don't have to pay any income taxes, but now you have to "grease the wheels" of everyone who has a bigger gun then you do? And are a bunch of people putting a claim on all of the resources of the country is not just another form of taxation?


I voluntarily pay my Bitcoin private fees to use their service.

I do not expect ETH users to pay Bitcoin fees to use their service.

It's....voluntary....aint that great?

I don't believe in panaceas, systems are so complex that if someone points at one gear and claims it to be the root of all evil, most likely is trying to sell you something.
You must realize that not everyone is going to sit around bonfire and sing Kumbaya without gov taxes? Sure you take a publicly available unbiased decentralized open algorithm as an example, but what about regional monopolies? Or you're saying that all i'd have to do is get bigger guns and buy up roads/properties surrounding your house and then i can charge you whatever extortion fees for use? Or get together with a couple of friends to box you in or buy up local ISP/water/power plant? Of course if you don't like that you always have an option to move to another place or build your own ISP/water/power plant or get bigger guns and wrestle it away from me. Monopolies and oligopolies would be rampant a lot of people would be trying to corner the market. I think claiming that there are no downsides to any changes and everyone only stands to benefit is naïve/misleading. Did you keep count how many bribes you had to pay during your endeavors, doubt those people accepting bribes decide to start a Mars program one day to help humanity.

Anyone who uses Bitcoin should understand consensus. If it is consensus to use systems such as decentralised justice systems then those will be used instead of involuntary extortion schemes.

I would hope that people that by now, with Bitcoin having proven that a voluntary system is possible, that people would accept that such a system can be used for more than just money right?

It's completely lazy thinking to rely on extortion to pay for things. It's time to re-think that little piece of our "civilised society". It is like defending slavery as people are just finally realising that hey, maybe this is the wrong way of getting our food...maybe we can do better.

You are defending extortion...just remember that.
167  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 28, 2021, 09:42:01 PM

I'm sure you, from all of the people, know that there's no perfect solution, and everything comes with its own tradeoffs and caveats. A tax free heaven that looks perfect on paper, can be a real shithole due to a ton of other problems. Does it really matter if you don't have to pay any income taxes, but now you have to "grease the wheels" of everyone who has a bigger gun then you do? And are a bunch of people putting a claim on all of the resources of the country is not just another form of taxation?


I voluntarily pay my Bitcoin private fees to use their service.

I do not expect ETH users to pay Bitcoin fees to use their service.

It's....voluntary....aint that great?
168  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 28, 2021, 07:05:26 PM
Taxes are kind of a price to pay to live in a civilized society.

If civilisation is built upon involuntary extortion...it's not really civilised is it?

169  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 28, 2021, 04:47:26 PM
I've always supported the concept of a communist seastead (progressive/socialist/green, whichever fad name is being used at the time).

I think it would be best to have them try over and over and over and over and over and over again and fail over and over and over and over and over and over again.

But they would fail with people that are voluntarily joining them, so it's their choice. No reason to force it on those that don't want it.

Though, in reality, I have argued that just about any governance structure will work with a community of less than 150 people or so. Early Christianity was communist, they all had a higher purpose for which they were living such that it trumped their own desires (outside of the desire to build a church based on Jesus's teachings). The community was regulated by culture and social norms which could be regulated at the individual level.

Trying to scale it just ends up with USSR, sending people to gulags and shit. Or Cambodia and mass executions. Trying to force people to worship some higher purpose even if they don't believe in it (but you do so you think you're doing the right thing making them conform).

It works if it's at a small scale with everyone agreeing. Trying to centralise it all is what destroys it.

Decentralise all the things.
170  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 27, 2021, 09:33:18 PM
South Korea looking to be the test case for gov't interference. You can bet Yellen et. al. are watching this with interest.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/goodbye-bitcoin-kimchi-premium-regulator-says-all-200-of-south-korea-s-crypto-exchanges-could-be-shut-down-report-says
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Under the new regulations, crypto exchanges must register as virtual asset service providers and fulfil a variety of other criteria. These include implementing anti-money laundering strategies, having partnerships with local banks, becoming information security management certified and tracking real names of customers.

Eun said despite the application window opening on March 25th when the new regulations came into force, no crypto exchanges have submitted theirs yet. Crypto exchanges need to be approved by September 24th.

Localbitcoins is alive and well in SK. I used to get my local cash in Seoul from time to time.
171  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 27, 2021, 03:57:42 AM
Bitcoin works not so great for authoritarians/socialists/leftists..

Bitcoin works great for anyone who hodls some. She has perfect bilateral symmetry, and telling left from right isn't her forte.




Hey, Satoshi! PM me! Smiley

David Kleiman disappeared exactly 8 years ago.
172  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 27, 2021, 12:01:41 AM
Henry Ford proposed an "energy currency" as the foundation for the world's financial system in 1921. A century later, we have #Bitcoin
https://twitter.com/DocumentingBTC/status/1386406362209345540?s=20

I have been looking into the feasibility of such a thing a lot lately. I believe Saylor has looked into it in depth as well as I noticed that he mentioned some of the numbers on energy loss on transferring over distances.

I believe it would require superconductor technology close to room temperature for it to be feasible but I think the implications of such a thing would be awesome.

Imagine having a thumb drive with 10kWh on it that you could transfer 1kWh to someone in a few seconds. Something that you can take home and plug into your house and have a night's worth of energy or get paid for 2 weeks of work and it gets transferred to your car which you can plug into your home and top up your hot wallet as needed.

This would encourage advances in energy storage and creation. The world would be abundant in energy such that we could have a lot of very advanced technology, translating very well into moving into space. Even such that people mine space for energy with more efficient generation closer to the sun while transferring energy back to Earth.

The only thing standing between us and that type of currency is technology. Technology that advances yearly at an exponential pace the closer we get to it.


As for the whole meat thing...I suspect that the media is working in overdrive as they support the NWO plan on getting us all to eat cockroaches. I just can't believe that people on this board are spouting off the propaganda as if it's all true. People who know how much they lie about Bitcoin and still believe their lies about meat. It's a damn shame. Maybe the media has been too kind to Bitcoin...it was perhaps a better filter when it was being attacked as just being used for drugs on the darkweb.

Henry Ford wrote many interesting things, another I recall quite related to Elwar’s last paragraph there..
The International .. who?
It’s slipping my mind at the moment.. The International something, by Henry Ford..
google DuckDuckGo it..

Yep, Ford was definitely a fascist supporter.

If he was around today he'd be making all of his workers wear masks to demonstrate his dominance over them.
173  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 26, 2021, 03:26:53 AM
Henry Ford proposed an "energy currency" as the foundation for the world's financial system in 1921. A century later, we have #Bitcoin
https://twitter.com/DocumentingBTC/status/1386406362209345540?s=20

I have been looking into the feasibility of such a thing a lot lately. I believe Saylor has looked into it in depth as well as I noticed that he mentioned some of the numbers on energy loss on transferring over distances.

I believe it would require superconductor technology close to room temperature for it to be feasible but I think the implications of such a thing would be awesome.

Imagine having a thumb drive with 10kWh on it that you could transfer 1kWh to someone in a few seconds. Something that you can take home and plug into your house and have a night's worth of energy or get paid for 2 weeks of work and it gets transferred to your car which you can plug into your home and top up your hot wallet as needed.

This would encourage advances in energy storage and creation. The world would be abundant in energy such that we could have a lot of very advanced technology, translating very well into moving into space. Even such that people mine space for energy with more efficient generation closer to the sun while transferring energy back to Earth.

The only thing standing between us and that type of currency is technology. Technology that advances yearly at an exponential pace the closer we get to it.


As for the whole meat thing...I suspect that the media is working in overdrive as they support the NWO plan on getting us all to eat cockroaches. I just can't believe that people on this board are spouting off the propaganda as if it's all true. People who know how much they lie about Bitcoin and still believe their lies about meat. It's a damn shame. Maybe the media has been too kind to Bitcoin...it was perhaps a better filter when it was being attacked as just being used for drugs on the darkweb.
174  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 25, 2021, 05:05:44 PM


https://twitter.com/rd_btc/status/1386310600490463235?s=21

An image where a lot of wisdom is shown, hope people learn from it

Throughout the majority of my life, I wasn't debt-free. And I was miserable. It felt like a Sword of Damocles.

But I am now 100% entirely debt free, and yes, I can attest that the liberating feeling is unlike anything I've ever felt in my life.

Just imagine the feeling of going through a disaster down year like 2008-9 or 2020, and having zero fears of losing anything you own (house, cars, other assets, etc.), being tied to any debt obligation (student loans, car loans, mortgage, etc.) or worrying about paying monthly bills or eating.

My advice: If you are not debt-free, start focusing on getting there ASAP. Make it your life mission, and it'll come faster than you expect.

Agreed.
I was able to get out of debt by essentially becoming a monk as far as owning anything goes. I minimised the things I owned down to 44 items (counting each piece of clothing as an item). I made sure I was flexible enough to take any job anywhere in the world that paid more than what I was currently making. Moving often (easy to do when everything you own fits into a carry-on and backpack).
I know this is next to impossible with a family but if you're single it can be done (and stay single as long as you possibly can...get a new girlfriend when you're out of debt, then get a new girlfriend every million dollars...also, avoid having a girlfriend).
175  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 20, 2021, 09:34:30 PM
OTbut important:
“BREAKING: Derek Chauvin found guilty of murder in the death of George Floyd”

Nope, I saw on the Interwebs that they were all crisis actors and that they were just cardboard cutouts set up by the lizard people in skinsuits.
176  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 19, 2021, 05:33:46 PM
<snip>

edit: and i can feel those  Pfizer 5G nanobots feeding me lifeforce as i type, especially now that ive had the 2nd injection. 5 bars of 5G signal on my phone now and no 5G towers in 100 miles of here. sweet bonus, that! i have become.. become.. well.. something.

I don't believe you that, you know.
Because the Pfizer shot does contain no hydrogel which in turn is obviously needed for organically based wireless transmissions and nanobot implants.
Therefor: definitely no internet connection with the Pfizer shot and you will also not get better 5G signal either (math, science, etc.). Hell I even am not sure if you've really got any nanobots, people can say anything on the internets and I am 50/50 you are just bragging around with your nanobot implants  Grin

That's what the gubbermint of OZ has to say about the topic of internet connections through vaccines (they only talk about the Pfizer shot, so I wonder if the moderna stuff has better connectivity):

Can COVID-19 vaccines connect me to the internet?

COVID-19 vaccines do not – and cannot – connect you to the internet.

Some of the mRNA vaccines being developed include the use of a material called a hydrogel, which might help disperse the vaccine slowly into our cells.
Bioengineers have used similar hydrogels for many years in different ways. For instance, they've used them to help stem cells survive after being put inside our bodies.
Because of this, some people believe that hydrogels are needed for electronic implants, which can connect to the internet.

The Pfizer mRNA vaccine does not use hydrogels as a component.
The Pfizer mRNA vaccine contains a piece of mRNA which is coated in a lipid (fatty) droplet. The lipid helps the vaccine enter our cells, as the membrane holding our cells together is also made mostly of lipid. The vaccine and the membrane can fuse easily, depositing the mRNA inside the cell.


I heard they're putting a full Bitcoin node in the next shots. More decentralisation. Be your own bank. Literally.
177  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 19, 2021, 03:53:04 PM
Looks like Bitcoin is dead.

Time to go fight in the war.
178  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 18, 2021, 04:56:40 PM
Was sleeping. What caused this dump?

Your sleeping caused the dump.

Why did you take your eyes away from the charts?!?
179  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 18, 2021, 01:21:02 AM
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/13/economy/consumer-inflation-march/index.html

Looks like people are starting to realise inflation has definitely started and is only going to get worse. Interesting times ahead

The Fed is now saying that they're going to allow inflation to happen for a temporary period...

Just like the 2 weeks to flatten the curve...

I don't think they're "letting" it happen, it's just a consequence of the games they're playing. Not too much they can do about it other than to try to hide it

They have literally said they will let inflation get out of control. "we'd rather deal with the consequences of a bubble popping than try to prevent it".
180  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 17, 2021, 11:42:09 PM
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/13/economy/consumer-inflation-march/index.html

Looks like people are starting to realise inflation has definitely started and is only going to get worse. Interesting times ahead

The Fed is now saying that they're going to allow inflation to happen for a temporary period...

Just like the 2 weeks to flatten the curve...
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