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821  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2020 Philippine Basketball Association betting discussion on: February 05, 2023, 10:43:02 PM
Now, three teams are winless. Magnolia, Rain or Shine and NorthPort. I expect an import change with 1 or more with these 3 teams.

Northport was playing without Bolick when they got their losses. I think their import is playing well and with Bolick back on the roster, they will start winning again. Rain or Shine has poor local performance. They distributed the ball poorly on their first few games that caused their game. Maybe they can change their import but if the locals do not put their acts together, it will still be hard for them to win. I think the locals of Magnolia are playing well. I have not watched their first matches but based on their performance last night, I think their import is still good.
822  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2023 NBA Season on: February 05, 2023, 02:58:16 PM
Kyrie said he will re-sign with the Nets in the summer.
Kyrie also said he will stay with Durant for the rest of this season.

Now a change of decision right away lol. Maybe the Nets need to consider rushing things in a few days and grant what Kyrie wants. What a waste of their slot if the trade won't be executed and he will sit out the entire season. The Nets can acquire good role players in return with Kyrie's current worth.
I don't know if anybody aside from me saw some articles online, but aside from the Lakers, Mavericks and the Suns, the Clippers are joining the ride as well and they have a huge offer to give for the Nets just to get Kyrie Irving.

I made a quick search on which players the Clippers want to trade just to get Kyrie, but unfortunately I don't see anything. Now the question is, will the Clippers trade either Kawhi or PG just to get Kyrie? Or they will give draft picks plus role players just to get him? I would be excited to see the Big 3 of Kyrie, Kawhi and PG in the Clippers.

The Nets really wanted to trade Kyrie before the trade deadline (which is kind of surprising for me base on the article I read), and the Clippers are in need of a reliable point guard right now that can facilitate and at the same time, score.

I do not know who they can trade but I am sure they will not trade Kawhi or PG. But it is beneficial for the Clippers if they can acquire Kyrie. First, it is just a one-year rental, so they only have a short time with Kyrie and they probably will not deal so much with his drama. Then, Kyrie is a really good player and a reliable scorer. He also got tons of experience playing in the playoffs and the finals. That is a great help for Kawhi and PG for their title run. But, I am also sure the Nets will want so much in return for Kyrie. I do not know if the Clippers will be able to afford it without destroying their lineup.
823  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread on: February 05, 2023, 02:42:29 PM
Besides it’s Nisha request to leave the team and they can’t do anything to stop it if the player itself wish it since it will affect players motivation if he is playing for the team that he already wants to leave. Team Secret has pretty good run since the wild card tournament to TI but they still fell short. I think Nisha spent most of his career on Team Secret without winning TI so I guess it’s normal for high caliber player to pursue different goal with other team.
And afaik it's Puppey that convinced him to stay longer.

That's true for most good players, whenever they can't get the best results possible they tend to move to a new team. At the same time though Team Secret had some misfortune midway through the season when Yapzor had to step down.


These players have only a short time that they can be really competitive. As they age, their mechanical skills will start to degrade. It is best to find a good team that can lead them to a title before that happens. Nisha made a good move going to Liquid. Hopefully, he would be able to help Liquid to secure a TI invitation later this year and eventually win a TI.

Lots of interesting matches in IEM Katowice today. Obviously, the match of the day will be G2 vs FaZe. Both teams looking strong and haven't lost a single match in 2023, topping their own group in BLAST Premier last week, so I expect this to be a close one.

The rest of the matches will likely be one-sided: Heroic should take on Complexity easily, the same as Cloud9 vs IHC, and Outsiders vs Fnatic.

Both Heroic and FNATIC matches went to a full series. They are both playing their 3rd map on Overpass. FNATIC currently leading with 9-6. FNATIC is playing very disciplined CS.
824  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2020 Philippine Basketball Association betting discussion on: February 05, 2023, 02:29:32 PM
The first half is over and Magnolia keeps the lead.

47-51 is the halftime score, and those who trust the SMB to win here will get good odds, 1.60 ML and -3.5 only for the spread.
So what do you think guys? is it worth taking or is it just a trap waiting to collect our money?

Top scorer of the game is Paul Lee with 14 points.

This is a good and exciting game. Magnolia had the chance to win or send the game to overtime when Perez missed both his free throws but San Miguel's defense was so tight. They were able to easily close-in to whoever Magnolia passed the ball. In the end, Paul Lee was forced to make a 3-point hail mary but unfortunately did not go in. 

Ginebra did finish the ROS in the 4th quarter, however, I'm not sure if Ginebra did cover the spread because that 3 point shot taken by ROS could probably destroy the spread if it was Ginebra -8.5. When Brownlee took over, ROS has no answer anymore and they seem to lose the defense they showed in the 3rd quarter.

ROS was able to make a stand in the 3rd even taking the lead but Ginebra was just too much for them. ROS is still missing a consistent contribution from their locals. Ball movement is missing and no local is actually reliable to make a drive to the paint. They have to rely to their import to do that. A lot of adjustment is needed in the plays of ROS if they want to be a contender this conference. Once the defense of Ginebra is activated and Brownlee, as you said, took over, it is over for ROS.
825  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: NBA 2020-2021 betting on: February 05, 2023, 02:13:33 PM
I'm a bit curious about the line of Denver vs Timberwolves. Can anyone explain why Denver is only -1.5 knowing how good they are and the Wolves are struggling? I get that they are into a back-to-back game, but as long as Jokic will not rest, I think they will likely dominate the Wolves.

And also, Jokic will not have a  heavy load carrying the team because they have Murray who fill the points stats already.

Aside from coming from a back-to-back game, the Timberwolves are playing at home, and is a hard match-up against the Denver Nuggets. The Denver Nuggets are still expected to win though. On stake.com, Nuggets odds are listed @ 2.18 Moneyline. I think there is news that Jokic will not be playing but if you want to be sure, confirm if Jokic is playing before making the bets.



Won my 3 legged parlay today and all with good odds too.

New Orleans Pelicans vs Los Angeles Lakers
Detriot Pistons vs Phoenix Suns
New York Knicks vs Los Angeles Clippers

I initially wanted to bet on Lakers but eventually changed to Pelicans. James was listed questionable but played in the game. Luckily, even with Lebron playing, the Pelicans were able to defend their home.
826  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2023 NBA Season on: February 04, 2023, 11:06:00 PM
The only first round picks they have available to trade is in 2027 and 2029.  Another team will have an easier way of acquiring him.  Nets have no need to deal with the Lakers, Lakers have nothing to offer them really.  I can see a team like the heat taking a stab at him.  Think that might be the best fit or possibly the Bucks.  It's a one year rental because he is a free agent after this year.  Only teams that will offer anything are teams on the fringe of Winning a championship.

I agree that the Lakers have nothing to offer that the Nets will find attracting enough to trade Kyrie. They do not have first round picks and they cannot just trade Westbrook straight off. Plus, Westbrook has some beef with KD before as well as Kyrie with Lebron. This trade is just not going to work out for both teams.

I do not know which team will benefit Kyrie the most. I believe Bucks do not have the need for him. It will destroy their chemistry and rotation. I hear the Clippers are looking for a point guard for their run and I believe they will have a use for Kyrie in their team. But can they afford him?


If Lebron's kids have the talents and deserved to play in the NBA, I began to think how is it possible to easily make both of them play in the same team. 30 teams in the NBA and 60 players to be picked. I guess that won't be easy unless the Lakers once again will make a sacrifice like picking them early just to secure it to the team. But it will be fun if it is possible. The easiest way though for it to happen is if those kids aren't NBA-level talents and the Lakers can just easily acquire and sign them.

If Lebron will stay long in the NBA and continues to average 15+ to 20+ per game, that would make his record very difficult to break. Guys like Luka won't even think of playing that long in the NBA as there's still a lot to enjoy outside basketball.

Yup! I am thinking of that aswell, if Lebron's kids are not NBA level they can easily acquire them and give them a normal contract for their father and them to play along if the Lakers still want Lebron James' service that is, or even other teams that want to recruit Lebron they can also acquire his sons, that for me can turn into decent players when given time to improve I guess even though Bronny James doesn't end up with the DNA as his father has, I think he can improve and be a different baller he can be, just like how Seth Curry to his bother Stephen, Seth just don't get the Skills, but he is still a decent player for the NBA, and making name for himself, I think it is good for Lebron's son to end up differently that his old man has,

There is a tremendous pressure for this kid to play good because of his father. Maybe, if he does not have that much pressure, he could play better. He is currently ranked at 32, I think and that is already good. He will be a good NBA player if he plays outside the shadow of his father. If Lebron keeps using his name to get Bronny in NBA, he will just destroy his kid's career. Just let the kid find his own path.
827  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: NBA 2020-2021 betting on: February 04, 2023, 10:15:22 PM
New Orleans Pelicans vs Los Angeles Lakers

The Los Angeles Lakers (25-28) will visit the New Orleans Pelicans (26-27) tonight at Smoothie King Center. Lebron James is questionable at this game due to an ankle injury, probably saving his legs for the big moment at home against the Thunder.

Lakers key injuries: Austin Reaves (hamstring) out, Russell Westbrook (non Covid illness) questionable, Lebron James (ankle) questionable
Pelicans key injuries: Dyson Daniels (ankle) out, Zion Williamson (hamstring) out

Detriot Pistons vs Phoenix Suns

The Phoenix Suns (28-26) will visit the Detriot Pistons (14-39) tonight at Little Caesars Arena. The Phoenix Suns are the favorite to win this game.

New York Knicks vs Los Angeles Clippers

The LA Clippers (29-26) will visit the New York Knicks tonight at Madison Square Garden. The Knicks are the worst team at home going at 13-14.

Clippers key injuries: John Wall (abdomen) out
Knicks key injuries: Jalen Brunson (illness) questionable, Mitchell Robinson (thumb) out



828  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2023 NBA Season on: February 04, 2023, 08:52:58 PM
^ Ya, that is crazy news that Kyrie has formally requested a trade with only a short time before the trade deadline. It isn’t totally unexpected though. KD hasn’t been healthy, Ben Simmons is a mess, and Kyrie wants to win championships. I think he needs LeBron. We’ll see what happens but I’m sure Lakers fans everywhere are hoping that a Kyrie for Westbrook trade happens. I can’t imagine it does for many reasons, but I’m not sure who is in a position to trade for Kyrie.
That would be a great deal for the Lakers if that happens but usually, we get to see these trades that are favoring the team that will be left or traded for.
This is an exciting developing story and if the rumors are true then there's an increased chance for the Lakers to be seen continuing to play together with Lebron but, it's on them to do the deal.

I do not know if Kyrie wants to play with Lebron. Remember, he is the one who left Lebron in Cleveland before for whatever reason he has.

The question is if the Brooklyn Nets will agree with it. I mean, it's Westbrook and I do think Kyrie Irving is still more valuable than him especially when it comes to being dominating on both inside and outside shooting. Kyrie can definitely shoot and make successful isolation plays.
The Lakers should make the deal sweeter or there won't be any trade discussion that could happen.

If this happens Kevin Durant will surely like to leave too and I don't doubt every team will start poking out to get KD in their roster even for a high price or sacrificing half of a star-studded roster. The Nets will be left with nothing, back to square one, but there are teams who make a successful one by doing this. Utah Jazz is a good example.

Surely, KD will not want to deal with a broken Ben Simmons and an underperforming Westbrook. He will have no one to share the load with. At least with Kyrie, even with all the drama, he can be assured that he will perform well in the court and you can depend on him if you need a winning shot.
829  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread on: February 04, 2023, 08:20:10 PM

XG 2-0 seems tempting against EHOME for the tiebreakers but it's unfortunate that Stake only offers match winner for now.


I hope you did not make a bet because Ehome played perfectly tonight. They know their winning conditions and executed it perfectly. They finished the series 2-0.

Team secret I guess makes a mistake that they release Nisha just for Crystalis even though they have a good draft still lacking with the communications and responses in every clash, and seems like the Team Liquid is the new coming team again for the Ti currently those are preparing for the Majors.

Boom is the one who replaced Nisha in their roster since Crystallis is their pos1 even if Nisha is still on Team Secret roster. Besides it’s Nisha request to leave the team and they can’t do anything to stop it if the player itself wish it since it will affect players motivation if he is playing for the team that he already wants to leave. Team Secret has pretty good run since the wild card tournament to TI but they still fell short. I think Nisha spent most of his career on Team Secret without winning TI so I guess it’s normal for high caliber player to pursue different goal with other team.

And I think NIsha made the right move going to Team Liquid. They are killing it right now dominating WEU, one of the strongest region in DOTA. It is still too early to tell but they look promising to take the TI this season. I am excited to see how they will perform in Lima Major going against the top teams of other regions.
830  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ESports betting -CS:GO, DOTA 2, LOL, Valorant - Sportsbet.io discussion thread on: February 03, 2023, 11:18:01 PM
Overall, 2 teams left for China.

It is a tiebreaker again in CN DPC for the 4th slot in Lima Major. It is between Xtreme and Ehome.

But before that, it is a tie breaker between PSG.LGD and Aster for #1. This is an exciting game as we saw yesterday. The games between LGD and Aster yesterday keeps going back and forth. The lead keeps changing and it could have gone either way. Just a single mistake can cost a game between these two and they are playing almost a perfect DOTA. Better bet on over 2.5 maps on this game since it will be most likely to get a full series.
831  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread on: February 03, 2023, 11:10:09 PM
Last season, I remember Team Secret was ranked 35th something in the DPC and yet still able to join the TI in the last minutes of the season and performed well in TI.

They were really struggling last season but they got strong after they picked up Reso. I guess, Reso was their missing piece last year. They started winning after they picked him up. And just in time to have enough matches to create chemistry for LCQ and finally TI. They had to go through a lot in order to qualify for TI but they finished strong with 2nd place. And now that Nisha left the team, they are back to finding the missing piece that could make them a contender again.

FURIA were a big disappointment for their fans in the IEM Katowice Play-In stage.

IT is no surprise. They were not that consistent even last season. And it seems that they are getting worse right now.
832  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread on: February 01, 2023, 11:46:28 PM
Anyway it’s good that Entity and Tundra will go to the major since OG is so inconsistent with their performance especially the supports. Majors will be good with this additional 2 teams from WEU. I’m sure WEU will once again dominate this major competition since most of the qualified team has a solid roster and consistent performance. Other region is not on the same level of WEU though.

Out of all the regions, I enjoyed watching WEU DPC matches the most. It is just played differently and more competitively. I am sure they will be dominating the Major again with Chinese teams right next to them. 

Its been a while since i watch the replays with the Nigma and Secret and upon checking unexpectedly I thought Miracle- are still in the Nigma and just saw with their new draft which is Amar The F and its really good that they get this man we know his capabilities to win the game and I don't know in my side if the Secret gets weaker because they Remove Nisha in this match upon watching their game its seems like this not the secret we have watch before.

Nigma had a rough start as well in this DPC run. They were not able to match the aggressiveness of ATF in their first few matches. They improved though late in the tournament but was not able to clinch a slot for Lima Major. They just avoided being relegated to Div 2.

For Secret, they are not that lucky to pick up Boom as a replacement for Nisha. I do not know what will happen to this team. Are they going to replace Boom, or they will still give it another shot? But knowing Puppey, he will probably replace Boom.


I wonder how many hours these guys play each day and what are the deep effects on their health and fight/flight system response (hormones, neurotransmitters so forth and so on)


They probably grind more than we do. If a team has good management, they will strive for their players to maintain a balance lifestyle and not just focused on their games. Give them enough rest, feed them well and have them do some physical activities to keep them healthy.
833  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2023 NBA Season on: February 01, 2023, 11:32:21 PM
Just wild to think that seats during the Thunders game costs around $75k and I guess for the Bucks too and I think that's where LeBron will make a history passing Kareem. Just few more scores for LeBron for him to pass that greatness but it's still crazy to think that he is passing a guy that only made 1 goal at a three point line.

It is the era where the big men dominate the game so it is just natural that he would score in the paint. And 3-point line was not introduced until he was already half his career. It shows how dominant Kareem is to be able to score that many with just two pointers.

That's for sure because this is a rare scenario and probably one of the most memorable play in the league because there will be another player who will pass Kareem's scoring title and that would take a lot of time before LeBron will get dethroned by someone in the next generations.

May take a while but maybe sooner. The way the game is being played right now, the scoring title can be over took sooner. We are seeing high scoring games lately and I barely see games with scores under 100. Stars are shooting 3s like it is just a perimeter shot. If this kind of game continues, a prolific scorer with a durable body will be able to do it.

With only 89 points to go now it's starting to get exciting.  In order for LeBron to do it at home and on TNT against the Bucks, he's going to have to score 30 points per game in the next three games.  That's his average, so it isn't out of the question.  The pressure will certainly be on though as I don't think anyone wants to be on the other side of this piece of history.  Still, I'm looking for LeBron to try and put up 40 ppg in the next 2 games to make it easy on himself to make the record happen.  It is starting to look a little like it might happen on ABC in front of the Warriors fans though.
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This is very doable with the help of his teammates. Hope they feed Lebron so it will be easy for him to achieve 40 points per game in his next 3 games. It would be extra special if they can celebrate their achievement in their own home.
834  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread on: January 31, 2023, 11:42:07 PM
OG is out.
Congratulations to Entity and Tundra for having the last two slots for the WEU region and they're now going to Lima. Smiley
It was a fun tie breaker and we thought of it as an infinite loop sequence that might take a few more days but then, Tundra just proved that they deserve the slot and if you guys have followed Sneyking on his Twitter account, he's such a funny guy.
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Too bad I missed the Tie breaker games; it must have been fun to watch. Congrats to Tundra and Entity. OG is still a hit and miss lately. I am surprised they were able to take the tiebreaker to the 3rd round.

We have no quality DOTA to watch until the major. Fortunately, there is plenty of CS:GO to watch.
835  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2023 NBA Season on: January 30, 2023, 11:51:27 PM
The problem with refs making a mistake like that is the fact that nothing really changes. I have been watching NBA for over 20 years and seen them make a lot of mistakes, either in important situations or even in not so important situations, the time Tim Duncan got ejected for laughing is still in my mind, there was something done about that eventually though.

However, the thing about the current situation is that, if you do not fine the refs and suspend them for a long period of time for making such a game deciding mistake, then what is stopping them from doing it again? Or another one doing it? That is why refs needs to be held accountable a lot more, and we need a lot more refs to replace them if they make a mistake.

No way that will ever happen.  They barely make enough money now.  If they male bad calls they get fined from the talent pool of refs will go significantly down.  These people don't live luxurious lifestyles.  It's not done in any major sport.  Only thing you can do is rank them and prioritize giving the playoff games to the good refs and reward them for making it.  So instead of penalizing bad refs, incentive good ones.

This makes sense and a better alternative than just dishing out fines for mistakes. They are just humans, and they will be prone to mistakes, whether it is honest or not. Fining them also prevents future refs to want to work in NBA. But giving incentives to those who does their job well will promote competitiveness.

Ok thanks for the name, and there are data showing that since 2020, he referee the Boston games 38 times, 36-2 for the Celtics hehehe. So the next time Eric Lewis referee a game and it involves the Celtics, we know where to bet.  Grin
Thanks for the tip, but is there really a way to know who will be officiating the game before hand?
836  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: NBA 2020-2021 betting on: January 30, 2023, 11:38:21 PM
Philadelphia 76ers  vs Orlando Magic

The Orlando Magic (19-31) will visit the Philadelphia 76ers (32-16) tonight at Wells Fargo Center.
Magic Key injuries: Chuma Okeke (knee) out
76ers key injuries: Joel Embiid (foot) questionable

Brooklyn Nets vs Los Angeles Lakers

The Los Angeles Lakers (23-27) will visit the Brooklyn Nets (30-19) tonight at Barclays Center.
Lakers key injuries: Anthony Davis (foot) out, Lebron James (ankle) out, Austin Reaves (hamstring) out, Lonnie Walker (knee) probable
Nets key injuries: Kevin Durant (knee) out, Ben Simmons (knee) questionable, TJ Warren (shin) doubtful


Dallas Mavericks
vs Detriot Pistons


The Detriot Pistons (13-38) will host the Dallas Mavericks (26-25) tonight at American Airlines Center.
Piston's key injuries: Cory Joseph (back) out
Mavericks: Luka Doncic (ankle) questionable

837  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2020 Philippine Basketball Association betting discussion on: January 30, 2023, 11:14:43 PM
The import has the freedom to take that last shot, but if I were the coach, I would have design another play, I mean, when the import takes the last shot, that's way predictable, they should have give that to Paul Lee as he has a high 3 point percentage, and he is also a clutch player as well.

He could have passed the ball to Paul Lee under the basket to force an OT but I guess the import is the best player on the court, so it is his duty to take the shot.

Not because he is the best player, he should be the one taking the last shot. It should still be the play that will be followed, if it was not a game plan, then for sure that does not help them and if the import does not follow the game plan, even how good he is, he will be a problem in the long run. IMO, despite seeing lots of great import lately, I still believe that Brownlee will win the Best Import Award again.

But they did follow the plan. They switched him to a smaller defender. Paul Lee was just an option since he got free for a split second under the basket. Either way, it is not a bad decision to take the shot. He is the best player of Magnolia on the court and who would you rather take the last shot? It is just their first game and they can still improve a lot in the conference.

IMO, despite seeing lots of great import lately, I still believe that Brownlee will win the Best Import Award again.

Too early to tell, we haven't seen them all play yet. It is a biased opinion because the Gin won the last conference. There is a different set of imports at this conference.  At least let them play half their matches first.

838  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ESports betting -CS:GO, DOTA 2, LOL, Valorant - Sportsbet.io discussion thread on: January 30, 2023, 09:18:48 PM
Blacklist just lost easily to Talon by 0-2. Those 3 games with Geek including two 70+ minutes games must be very exhausting for them. And it is difficult to easily move on from those games and refresh within 3 hours. 
Poor Blacklist, there were a lot of times that they can take the slot for the Lima majors, 2nd and 3rd slot but yet, they've got nothing. Poor team, too hyped by their fans but all they get is nothing. Yeah, they might be exhausted but that's the consequence of losing first with Geek and then being pressured with the slot that they should have taken. I thought that Talon wouldn't make it as the chance is more likely with Blacklist than them but yeah, points system and tie breakers.

Had the same thought too since Blacklist is performing very well early in this DPC round. Actually, I really thought they should have won against Geek and many time they had the opportunity to take the win but they did not. That is why I am thinking it is a throw. Anyway, they lost a chance for LIma Major and important DPC points. DPC points are very important and every bit of them matters if they want to be eligible for TI this year.

Talon did well. From a poor start to being able to qualify for Lima. Congrats to them for taking the 3rd spot for Lima Major.
839  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread on: January 30, 2023, 09:10:49 PM
but why can Tundra lose against GG? Huh only because of Puck and Lina. very disappointing.

Lina is the most contested hero this DPC season. It has a very high win rate and is very strong in this Meta. I would understand they lost because of lina but what I do not understand is why they let them get it in the first place. They are out drafted and outplayed, plain and simple.

What a game between Blacklist and Geek earlier. I thought Geek are aiming for quick victories but it was Blacklist that always dominates the late games. Not until Geek dragged it into very long extended minutes and were patiently waiting for Blacklist to commit a single mistake.

Now it is Blacklist versus Talon for SEA's last slot to Lima major. I felt bad for Blacklist who already beat Talon before but now they might feel the exhaustion from those overextended games earlier and their mindsets are affected by the heartbreaking defeats at the hands of Geek. 3 hours of rest might not be enough but hopefully, they can steal the remaining 2 maps.

Blacklist had no chance again Talon as they lost a quick 2-0 and also they ruined 2 of my bets and I will never bet on Kuku and his team no matter what Cheesy. Talon on the other side , they played their style with fast lanes and mid rotation and gave Blacklist no chance.

I also think Blacklist have lost it mentally vs Geek and it all went down from there...

It is weak performance today by Blacklist. They should have won their 3rd map against Geek since it is almost Mega creeps. They got 2 rosh and still failed to push the ancient and win the game. I do not know if they are too afraid of Naga or they are taking him too lightly in the late game. Anyway, they lost against Geek in 2 70+minutes game and too exhausted to contest Talon.
840  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ESports betting -CS:GO, DOTA 2, LOL, Valorant - Sportsbet.io discussion thread on: January 30, 2023, 09:32:43 AM


What a throw by blacklist. Game 3 was so boring. Blacklist already has the lead and almost mega creeps and they cannot close the game. They stall the game and placed the Naga in a better position. They are too afraid of the Naga that pushed the game to a very late game. It is a waste of bet. Blacklist is now tied with Talon and will play later for a tie breaker for Lima Major.
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