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1  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitcointalk Escrows - Trade Safely! on: March 12, 2016, 01:57:44 PM
LOL  Grin

So seb what your new escrow rules ?

Please reply as soon as possible  Wink
2  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitcointalk Escrows - Trade Safely! on: March 10, 2016, 02:18:42 AM
Serge V. The Stupid, i wonder how your little brain works (Are you a cartoon character?) f****k u anyways:Smiley   You dont know shit about shit so shuuuuu plz... tits brain Smiley

Seb look : If you want to offer a 99.99% safe escrow service than the ONLY way is to be a point of verification witch means all trades (Goods or digital goods) must be sent to YOU from both seller & the buyer (To your home or to your wallets) , than after you check , release to both dealers at the same time.  (+ a signed message).

My last words : escrow cant offer a 100% safe deal and i think u already know .... but 99.99% is good, just becarefull from receiving things to ur home or wallets .... Grin


Yes, an escrow is a point of failure but the same is true for your scenario. You only need one of these scammy escrows or a hacked escrow account and you already have zero security from that 2of3 multisig that you described. The scammer would initiate a trade with an altaccount, deal as the escrow and screw the other trading partner because the scammer already holds 2 of the keys to release the coins to himself.

I did not have seen yet a fully safe scenario there too. You could involve more than one escrows though that would mean more time it takes, more work and maybe higher fees. For more security though.

Still an escrow is needed for negotiating while problems. With 2 of 2 you run into the risk that one of your trading partners claim you did send something wrong or that he threatens you to not release the coins until you agree to pay half of the price back.

It's often suggested but it is only a partly solution for some problems and many remain unsolved or other attack vectors are there.

According to my scheme/scenario there is no third party, the address is created only from the buyer and the seller public keys, so it is 2-of-2 MultiSig. The buyer can not scam the seller because he locks up twice as much as the seller, so he is motivated to be honest.
3  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitcointalk Escrows - Trade Safely! on: March 09, 2016, 03:00:40 AM
Quickseller

......


Ralobot.com


Some bullshit ......... till now all scam attempts Iam aware of could be stopped because the scammer ultimately was not so totally smart like he thought.



Huh  Grin yeah right  Kiss

Why would you be so smart since everthing is simple and stupid  Wink


Anyways good luck bro.

Note: Try to follow KYC & AML terms for a SAFE escrow lool  Grin  Grin
4  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitcointalk Escrows - Trade Safely! on: March 08, 2016, 01:56:42 AM
Short Answer: Dont escrow .... here is why (Seb) :

You cant offer a safe deal even with a signed message simply because YOU're unable to check or verify if the goods has been REALLY received or not AND if they worked or Not.

Rule: The buyer can be a scammer as well as the seller.

Based on the above rule i can easly scam escrow and here is how:


Lets say i've found a member selling a 3D printer, i'll tell him to use escrow ofcourse he wont refuse since escrow is the protection right Tongue

Anyways i will deposit the price to escrow so the seller will ship the machine .... after i recieve it i will simply say its not working than i will send it back for a refund AFTER i get some stuff from it or use it  ... <--- behind these 3 points something that might blow your mind  Wink

I can do the same thing with all E-codes i will use the code than tell escrow the code is not working and he should'nt release funds..... alots of things can be done to trick escrow cause simply

YOU ARE NOT A POINT OF VERIFICATION.

5  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Escrow Partner got tricked on: March 05, 2016, 04:47:57 PM
sign a message can be bypassed easly ....

Indianacoin

What signed message? You realize that most persons don't have a staked address? Then I would have to get one address at the start of the trade only for the case that the account might be compromised and the hacker did not change the pass.

You know, I can offer that but I'm pretty sure either no one will do it or it will be a huge amount of time just to teach most of them that they learn how to sign messages, what a private key is, where to get it. I already had this alot. It is a mess to explain.

Well, if you really mean we now have to distrust every account that way then man, I would not like doing escrow anymore. It costs so much time already and pays practically nothing. Many big escrows already left because of the time needed and no reward.

I wonder if you ever tried to explain someone how to sign a message.

True.
But you must keep Shorena's how to sign a message thread[1] handy from next time onwards just in case someone does not know about it.

Yeah I know escrows are a waste of time  if there is no reward for it.
It would be better if you start escrowing with a minimum fee of 0.01 BTC just as OGNasty started doing it already.
Heck I welcome every escrow providers to start at a base fee. This will be productive overall Smiley



[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990345.0
6  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Escrow Partner got tricked on: March 05, 2016, 04:20:21 PM
Seb i said i dont give a fuck witch means i dont wanna waste my time on something stupid like a screanshout or a random pm transaction that can easly be faked if im a scammer.

anyways already told you my inbox was cleared for empty space .

So Seb how will u do escrow next time any new rules ?
7  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Escrow Partner got tricked on: March 05, 2016, 04:09:18 PM
Dude you are crazy i said i've cleared my inbox ... if you want the pm transaction id i can post it here even if its not a proof so all i can do is laugh.... cause i didn't lose anything.

i didnt hack you. i got a msg telling me to pay to an other pm account and i did than i got my money from escrow thats all i can say good bye .

*lol* Sounds like you have a lot ot time... now changing your story back. But still you don't want to provide proof for either of your claims.
8  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Escrow Partner got tricked on: March 05, 2016, 04:03:03 PM
i didnt hack you. i got a msg telling me to pay to an other pm account and i did than i got my money from escrow thats all i can say good bye .

yes brute forcing that pass would be hard
that is why I used it

but I have not logged into this forum anywhere but from home
but they are not privately owned places they are large businesses
I haven't downloaded anything
or been in contact with him outside of the forum
he has no way to know my home IP

I can't think of any access he could possible have to me other then threw the forum
anyway got to be going out now

9  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Escrow Partner got tricked on: March 05, 2016, 03:53:30 PM
amartin99 look boy i hacked your site and your pc i can proof it .... these are my last words how much do you offer before the next TD ?
10  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Escrow Partner got tricked on: March 05, 2016, 03:41:42 PM
100$ or nope its up to you my friend.  Smiley

honistly I think you hacked the forum not me

and no im not paying $100
$20 maybe as I do like to learn loosely how things are done
not to the technical side of reproducing it
but just to have an idea of where the risks are


11  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Escrow Partner got tricked on: March 05, 2016, 03:32:29 PM
Last price that i can accepte is 100$ and before you pay me that amount i will give you a small proof that i hacked you than after you pay me i will tell you.

cause trust me i can hack you anytime.... So ?


Offer me a price.

$300  I think not

no I have never been to rolobot.com before today
and the site is down and domain for sale

I would be willing to pay $20 to know where the breach is
but im not sure I would trust you to tell the truth


most likely your running a brute force attack on the forum to brake peoples passwords
iv seen it done on my own site
think we got that blocked there now though
12  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Escrow Partner got tricked on: March 05, 2016, 03:21:01 PM
Offer me a price.

$300  I think not

no I have never been to rolobot.com before today
and the site is down and domain for sale

13  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Escrow Partner got tricked on: March 05, 2016, 03:16:40 PM
james.lent u're stupid Just shut up.


Are you stupid i said i scammed you are you high or what?

I was typing at the time

so you admit it fine  whatever     moving on
I would like to know how the hell you got into my BCT account to send that message to SebastianJu


Have you ever used rolobot.com in the past ? If you had, maybe you might have used the same credentials
14  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Escrow Partner got tricked on: March 05, 2016, 03:15:20 PM
If you want me to tell you how did i hacked you .... you need to pay a 300$

Cause its private.





Are you stupid i said i scammed you are you high or what?

I was typing at the time

so you admit it fine  whatever     moving on
I would like to know how the hell you got into my BCT account to send that message to SebastianJu

15  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Escrow Partner got tricked on: March 05, 2016, 03:08:57 PM
Are you stupid i said i scammed you are you high or what?

what ?
he is saying I some how got the coins to
how is that possible I sent them to you
where you given a second address to send them to after the trade started ?
I didn't catch that but then there has been a lot to read

shame our BTC accounts have no name on them
well I sent you "SebastianJu" the BTC  and only you can confirm what happened to it after that
I don't even recall you being given an address to send it to but it's gone so you must have

this situation is getting really messy
PROOF that I sent the BTC  http://prntscr.com/abig94
PROOF I didn't receive the PM  http://prntscr.com/abihcb
not to the address I posted in the PMs I have sent

Rolobo
if you want to say I sent you a PM telling you to send it to a dif address fin
PROVE IT
or at-least prove you have even sent the money anywhere at all
I have yet to see any proof you even had the money to send


16  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Escrow Partner got tricked on: March 05, 2016, 02:51:15 PM
Ok you got me So smart im the scammer wow busted ...... so since everyone knows im the scammer what next ?


i've deleted all my inbox cause i dont leave useless msgs there if this makes me a scammer then ok im the scammer any qeustions bro?

How can it be a useless pm? You never had a deal where you needed info from past pm? And this deal was not at a successfull end. Do you send to quoted escrow addresses too? Roll Eyes
17  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Escrow Partner got tricked on: March 05, 2016, 02:43:16 PM
Because i scammed you amartin99 so ? .... Stupid members get a fucking proof , i will stop using this forum soon.

i've deleted all my inbox cause i dont leave useless msgs there if this makes me a scammer then ok im the scammer any questions bro?
ALL
you responded to an older one but not to one with me saying to send to a dif address
if I had said it why delete that message and save older ones ?
your OWN PM is hurting your case


18  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Escrow Partner got tricked on: March 05, 2016, 02:36:05 PM
i've deleted all my inbox cause i dont leave useless msgs there if this makes me a scammer then ok im the scammer any qeustions bro?
19  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Escrow Partner got tricked on: March 05, 2016, 02:26:35 PM
Yeah seb fuck you.... all  Roll Eyes
20  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Escrow Partner got tricked on: March 05, 2016, 02:13:04 PM
Seb what hacker are you talking about , i got the msg from amartin99 to send to an other address


Again i dont give a fuck about my trust leave it red or whatever cause i dont care why ? because this forum is stupid (most members) giving neg trust without ANY PROOF.


FUCK YOU ALL .



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