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1261  Economy / Reputation / Re: Lauda & Loyce please confirm your gender... on: April 05, 2019, 10:05:48 PM
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1262  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: April 05, 2019, 02:09:29 AM
The problem with people getting on DT by way of scam-busting is that it doesn't really prove how honest that person is

The big point is that it does not prove this person's politics are good either..

Some seem to like the idea of a bunch of new rules so they can tag for more things, limiting users freedom, and some have terrible views on freedom of speech and freedom to be anonymous and have all sorts of crazy ideas to regulate anything they can think of..

I don't care how many scammers someone tags, if they disagree with the main principles of Bitcoin I don't think they should be on DT.
Bitcoin is the opposite of authority, censorship, and regulation.

This is not only voting for what tags show up, this is voting for the government..
1263  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: April 05, 2019, 01:17:17 AM

I don't get your point here..

you talked about freedom, and i explained that every member on the forum poses the same level of freedom regardless of their position and score in the trust system.
How about freedom from harassment? How about some recent cases such as..
Weather or not to tag all lenders who take collateral accounts?
Weather or not to tag all sellers of facebook, twitter, and youtube accounts?
Tagging sold accounts on what evidence?
Tagging accounts based on their affiliation with lemons?
Red tags greatly diminish a users ability to trade and therefore restricts their freedom to trade here..

The laws that are followed now came from old DT members , the majority of new DT1 and DT2 members are elected by old members, so if you trust their judgment then there is no reason to nag about new members.
The laws change here all the time, based on the current consensus of the community, now heavily DT1..
Their are current battles for/against new laws and will be into the future..
We need trusted freedom minded people to maintain just laws or the next thing you know DT will enforce KYC to have the privilege of a clear account..

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Satoshi should most definitely be DT1.. Are you kidding?
Nop , i am not ! it's good to see you practice what you preach, just checked Satoshi's trust page and you have him in your trust list despite the fact that he has 0  feedback sent ,and most likely will never send any, you seem to be confusing trust list and DT to feedback and trustworthiness. having Satoshi in your trust list does nothing besides adding a new row into the forum's database.

but hey that's just my opinion,  if you still insist that only old members should be on DT , you may very well sort all users by user's ID and include the first 100/1000/5000 members in your list.

Satoshi is on my trust list for the novelty and to show respect. What about all the users who have sent merit to Satoshi or positive trust?
I do not believe I am confused..

I don't think I said that only very old members should be on DT, but rather that very new members should possibly not be on DT1, and to be cautious of those who currently are..


You don't deserve to be on DT just by tagging scammers, or the opposite..

I would (obviously) disagree..

At one time DT was filled with people who cared about bitcoin.
Now it is filling with people who care about making money with bitcoin.

I think this is a misunderstanding.. I doubt that you believe everyone that tags scammers deserves to be on DT1, only for tagging scammers, by that metric only and ignoring all other circumstances..
I agree with your last 2 lines..

What exactly is the opposite of tagging scammers? Is it, being tagged by scammers?
A DT member that is not an active scambuster.. I don't believe you have to be an active scambuster or redtagger to be on DT..

The problem with people getting on DT by way of scam-busting is that it doesn't really prove how honest that person is, and even though that is (I think) the reason I was put on DT, I still believe that.  A member can easily just tag a lot of scammy accounts and work their way up to DT in order to pull off a really big scam.  I don't know if that has actually been done, but it's possible.  At least if you have a history of transactions involving money you could have scammed, there's some real basis for trust.

Assuming Satoshi was still around and hadn't scammed anybody, I have no doubt whatsoever that he'd be on DT1.  And under those conditions, he'd deserve to be.  If you can go 10 years without showing evidence of scamming behavior and you actually created bitcoin....yeah, that's DT material IMO.
This..
1264  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: April 05, 2019, 12:00:42 AM
you are mixing things up here, a trustworthy user does not necessary mean a good reviewer, the initial purpose of the trust system was intended for that ONLY  > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.msg2221664#msg2221664
DTs need to be good reviewers and trustworthy to make good decisions. Especially DT1s..

it was even named "Marketplace trust" when it was first implemented, just because some people use it for other purposes , it does not mean that it's good for anything else aside from mainly tagging scammers.
What about labeling users you can trust to trade with?

not being on DT does not reduce your right of free speech, not even having negative feed back does, in fact a few people with negative feedback post more than 100 other users combined on Meta alone, your theory would have been valid if the trust system limits you from posting or something like that.
I don't get your point here..

aside from that a good DT member is one who spots scammers and abusers, if satoshi himself was to come back and not be active in terms of tagging scammers then he does not deserve to be a DT member, he would probably be the most trusted member but that's a whole different story.
Satoshi should most definitely be DT1.. Are you kidding?
You don't deserve to be on DT just by tagging scammers, or the opposite..

so unless the community members are going to benefit from your position in terms of trading, then there is no reason why one should be on DT list just for their own self satisfaction.
You do not need to tag scammers constantly to be on DT.

DT members don't only have the power to enforce the laws, they are entrusted with the power to make the laws, especially DT1..
The consensus of the DT1 members opinions decide who is on DT2, who is on DT1, what behavior is acceptable, and what behavior is not acceptable..
We need DT1 members that we can trust to make good laws, or come to a good consensus of what is right and wrong for the community.. Not just hand out tags..


some people have proven themselves both wise in terms of giving feedback and trading in under a year
Or maybe they have proven themselves wise enough to give off that impression? Too much ambition to gain trust and power is untrustworthy.
1 year is nothing... Is a 1 year setup even enough to classify as a "long" con? Possibly not..


1265  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: April 04, 2019, 11:07:37 PM
This is exactly why older more established members should be in charge of the trust system.

I have no comments about what's going on between you and others, as a matter of fact I do trust you a lot, and i do trust some people whom you don't trust and some people that don't trust you and i guess that's normal despite how messed up it looks.

but the quoted statement above is wrong at it's best.

here is a list of 78 confirmed scammers > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3486346.msg36123932#msg36123932

more than 90% of them were never tagged by the "older more established members " but rather by the "new comers" despite the fact that many of them have been scamming the forum long before the new system was implemented.

not saying this because I am a "new comer" DT member but i do not seem to understand why does older has to mean better judgment.

yes i have no clue about the past of this forum, don't know what did TMAN do to who and why does Lauda  not trust you and all that drama, and i honestly don't care , and I don't need to know all that shit to tag scammers.

let alone the simple fact that a few DT members alone can never handle a couple of hundreds if not thousands scammers coming in every week.

Tagging scammers is great and all but just because someone finds or tags a lot of scammers does not mean that they should be in charge of the politics of the forum or even have their political opinion highly valued. Which is DT1..
Their is a delicate balance of freedom vs control and I'm not sure many newer users understand the importance of the freedom part and the old values that this old forum has upheld all this time.

I think their may be a correlation that relatively newer members working themselves up the control ladder so fast may have an above average interest in control.

Also old members having been here a very long time have a much more solid track record of not scamming or using their position of power for the wrong reasons..
The users that have been here for 5 years or better have had all of the time in the world to scam if they were going to, while a user that has only been here around one year, and has successfully engaged in a lot of control seeking behavior, and trust/reputation seeking behavior, is a red flag risk..
1266  Economy / Reputation / Re: Is it okay for a top 10 most trusted account too... on: April 04, 2019, 07:50:52 PM
I think this is an obvious no if you are talking about recent account sales and cheating signature campaigns against their company rules, but just having more than one account in signature campaigns is fine, and very old account sales do not matter..
According to the current general consensus as I understand it anyway.

I also concur with the move to Reputation and dumping the dirt..
1267  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 03, 2019, 09:43:20 PM
I want that correction! Buy order ready at $4600:
A suggestion:   Donít use round numbers for your limit orders. Put it $20 or $30 above because if the price is going to bounce, it will bounce above $xx00.  If the prices touches $xx00 then itís going to drop below that amount.
It could eat though half the wall at $4600 and not drop below, but then your order depends on which of the $4600 orders are processed first by the exchange. at $4601 yours should be processed before all the $4600 orders.

Hairy is correct, as seems to be a frequent pattern in recent times with these price and practice matters.

In sum, best practice is that you should be setting your buy orders a bit higher than the round numbers and also your sell orders a bit lower than the round numbers.  

When you assert that price might possibly do x, y or z and half way eat through such round numbers blah blah blah.. you are being both intellectually lazy and likely more greedy than you need to be.    The odds are against you, too, especially if you look at how the BTC price usually behaves and even if you want to attempt to rationalize away your bad practice(s), seeming laziness and lack of desire to improve your approach.  

Yeah but if the wall is at 4620 you need to put your order in @4625 or something. Walls do tend to be on the round numbers but even the walls cut infront of eachother..
Look at the books to place your orders..
1268  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 03, 2019, 09:06:15 PM
No ,however you do pay a seperate small tax on the worth of your residence. This is usually greatly offset by the fact that you can deduct the interest you pay on you mortgage off of the income you have to pay tax over, so in practice you get about 50% back on the interest you pay to the bank.

Pretty good way for a government to shovel money into the banks..
1269  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 03, 2019, 09:00:12 PM
Looking at CMC I am impressed with the volume and more impressed by the exchange diversity. https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/#markets
Volume is very evenly distributed across many exchanges these days..
1270  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [WoodCollector]Nine Public Coin Collection Completed on: April 03, 2019, 08:10:15 PM
I read about woodcollector a while ago and the treasure story but figured he was just full of shit..

Even on the slim chance that their is a treasure it is amazing that you have collected all 9 coins and OG might have the secret one!
Very interesting, subscribing for more..
1271  Other / Meta / Re: KYC now required on: April 02, 2019, 07:33:10 PM
I capped mine Smiley


The coordinates suggest that I was on Elwar's seastead..

Funny thing..
I left it open in paint on my computer all day, GF saw it, and asked if I had some strange fantasies about my future sex life..
It was pretty funny when I started googling the names to show her..
1272  Other / Meta / Re: Souvenirs from the Bitcointalk.org on: April 02, 2019, 01:09:20 AM
Darn.
I wanted that badge..
1273  Other / Meta / Re: KYC now required on: April 01, 2019, 04:27:26 AM


1274  Other / Meta / Re: KYC now required on: April 01, 2019, 04:15:11 AM
1275  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Africa isn't poor - Africa is being raped. on: March 29, 2019, 08:05:25 PM
Erm ever heard of Japan? A resource-poor country with a feudal society that was FORCED to open up and trade with Westerners. Industrialized within a few decades, conquered pretty much most of East Asia and Southeast Asia, got nuked to defeat, still a big economy. Resources are not everything.

See Japan on the charts I have posted..

Take for example my country Nigeria.... Nigeria is a country bleesed with abundance of natural resources.
The challenge of Nigeria is the kind of leaders she is bleesed with.
Leaders with no vision for the country, leaders who are only interested in their pockets and those of their kitties, leaders who are unpatriotic to the cause of the nation, leaders who are so selfish and greedy that even the devil Marvel's at the level of their greed.
Nigeria is richer than so many developed countries  but bad leadership make it seem poor.

then why don't they just go mine them instead of this? https://youtu.be/_dwvzXdy9PA

Have you seen this stuff yourself? How bad is it really in your direct experience?

Same with India. Just stop throwing stuff in your rivers already!
The people have to stop making such poor decisions, like polluting, for shortsighted reasons of convenience..

This stuff pisses me off a bit.
they ban straws in the US so they can't end up in the ocean, but africa and asia are the ones dumping everything in the oceans, ruining it for EVERYONE..

Knock it off!!
What is your experience with this in nigeria?

You can't even burn a regular woodstove in europe but africa and asia have fields of plastic on fire..

It must be a cultural difference..
Here, if some people out boating, hiking, swimming, fishing or hunting caught you throwing trash in a river I imagine you would be lucky to only have the police called on you and be thrown in jail. We would very much want to stomp their face but most of us are pretty civilized so their would be a half chance of that not happening..
1276  Other / Meta / Re: Community Opinion - Signature Campaigns on: March 28, 2019, 04:19:02 AM
Next week: BTCT is full of scat porn links..
1277  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Degradation of American media on: March 28, 2019, 03:12:36 AM
Whey went to the dark side and have been found out. In their recent desperation they have shown their cards so much that even to normies they are undeniably nothing but leftist propaganda outlets..

I get my news better and faster from other internet users than you could from any media company.
By the time a media company starts working on the story you could have read all of the tweets while it is happening and often live streams from amateurs in the area if you are paying attention at the right time.
1278  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why The Hell People Aren't Helping? on: March 26, 2019, 10:33:50 PM
The government forces me at gunpoint to give far too much money to charity already..

humanity is not really satisfying as of now
Humanity is pretty ruthless..

Your thread has only been open for one day and you are already not satisfied with the result? And it has already turned into a debate about UBI..
You want the, slightly not poor, 1st world countries to just feed everyone in 3rd world countries, so their population can explode, so they can feed them too, so the population will explode, and then what?
Set yourself up for a massive famine once the free stuff runs out is what, and that will be our fault too..



1279  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The First Seastead is in the water on: March 21, 2019, 09:45:12 PM
Bump..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bceePdFruU

Did he died?

Anxiously awaiting more..
1280  Other / Politics & Society / Re: New Zealand ChristChurch mass shootings >:( >:( on: March 21, 2019, 09:18:36 PM
a semi-automatic firearm that is capable of being used in combination with a detachable magazine (other than one designed to hold 0.22-inch or less rimfire cartridges)


https://www.shopalexanderarms.com/Rifles-_17_HMR_-_Complete_Rifle.html

There you go Kiwis..

Or.. Someone just needs to wildcat a 5.56mm rimfire cartrige, and make/modify a rimfire bolt for the standard AR, and convert them all to rimfire.. Pretty easy..
Call it a .219

An AR is a .22, just centerfire..
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