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1441  Other / Serious discussion / Idea Discussion - Bitcoin Public Relations BPR Fork - Funding BTC Advancement on: December 11, 2018, 09:15:01 PM
This is an idea for an altcoin whos purpose is to fund a positive and informative PR campaign for Bitcoin similar to the DASH budget paid by the mining revenue.

I would like it to be forked from BTC so all existing keys get some coin to either dump or donate to the foundation. This would also raise awareness.

Change the block reward code to something like 10 BPR to the miner that solves the block and 2.5 BPR for every block goes to the foundation to spend on the Bitcoin PR campaign, no more halving. Maybe more, maybe less, help me think this through.

Set the coin up for Merge Mining like Unobtanium-UNO to be mined alongside Bitcoin by Bitcoin miners.
Why would Bitcoin miners want to merge mine BPR? Because BPR is going to help Bitcoin = helping them.

I think that Bitconers, even altcoin haters, will like BPR and support it because of it's mission.
If anyone wanted to help support the foundation they could do so by donating BPR to the foundation that they mined, bought, or received in the fork, and by providing liquidity on BPR/BTC markets because it will only work if it's worth something to pay for the PR campaign.

What would it be spent on?
How about some youtube ads? The same way they are always trying to sell me a Mercedes we can run little positive awareness ads for Bitcoin.
Not "Buy Bitcoin" ads but maybe just some positive facts about Bitcoin, information.

Something like
"Bitcoin, bringing power to the people across the world, put the power of YOUR finance in YOUR hands! paid for by the BPR foundation"
"Bitcoin, the most secure network in history, trust in numbers"
With cool graphics n sheet.

Small clickable google ads, facebook ads, ads on forums across the internet, on blogs, wherever we can buy small ads where normies are at.
How cool would it be to see an add for Bitcoin during the news hour of your local TV station? Maybe even a superbowl add some day.
Doge had a Nascar, maybe we can get Bitcoin on a Formula 1 car, MotoGP, Xgames skateboarding and BMX, the Olympics!

BPR can pay for the ads, pay professionals to create the ads, pay for management of the foundation to commission the campaign.

The foundation would have to be transparent and remain true to the purpose of advancing BTC. Always do the right thing, the best we can, and show it.

BPR itself will get publicity because our ads will say "paid for by BPR" so we advertise for the foundation at the same time in an indirect way.


I think a lot of people are grateful for what positive PR Bitcoin gets now (like Antonopoulos) and with just a little trust to give the BPR foundation a chance in the beginning (donate, mine, liquidity) it could go far.
Everyone will see that the foundation is doing what it said it would do when they start seeing the ads.

What we would need at first is just brainstorming a good plan, a good coder to code the altcoin, someone to make a website for BPR to explain it's mission, some miners to run it, and some Bitcointalk threads if it actually happens.

We don't need any scammy ICO to raise money to get it off the ground.
I think enough people to start it and make it happen would just help because they believe in the mission of the project pro bono or IOU, if it succeeds we can FAIRLY make it worth our work to make it happen and fairly employ people to run the foundation.

I think if it needed an ICO and the promise of profit then it's not worth doing.
This isn't for profit, it is a humanitarian effort for Bitcoin and the good of all people of the world (If you believe in Bitcoin for the right reasons).  

It would benefit Bitcoin holders too, and miners, and businesses like Coinbase, and everyone directly or indirectly invested in Bitcoin and the Crypto community. So if they can trust that BPR is going to do what it says it's going to do, they might want to help too.


What do you think?
Why is this a terrible idea?
1442  Other / Meta / Re: Ideas for topic ordering in altcoin announcements? on: December 11, 2018, 06:38:52 PM
Sell the top spots to them like parking meters or youtube superchats. Send so much BTC and then the time ticks down for their positions.
Spend it on a superbowl add for BTC  Cool
I think this is a joke. However the annoying part about this which hits home is that there are actually forums that do this sort of shit. Including several other crypto forums. Its ridiculous and wouldn't solve any problem at all. We already know that these projects are willing to spend money on spamming their threads up to the top because there are many services which offer bumping services. If the forum did this it would just be giving them permission to do it as long as they pay.
I posted this in a somewhat entertaining way I suppose because I think the irony of making them, who suck the money out of BTC and destroy the public image of crypto as a whole, PAY for some positive PR of Bitcoin would be sweet justice.

If the problem we are discussing is spam then yes this would solve that problem because they are using spam to get to the top. If they could get to the top without spam then they wouldn't need spam anymore and as a matter of fact I think they would start to make efforts to keep spam out of their own threads because spam in their threads makes them look like shit scams and hurts their image.
Anyone that is serious about "investing" or serious about the technicalities and merits of the coins code is going to be turned off having to wade through spam.

We know that they are willing to spend money right. Instead of that money going to bad actors (spammers) that money could go toward the advancement of Bitcoin.

Have you thought any more about this that you put in the Maybe category:
ē Charging ICOs a fee to make their ANN here. You could even get rid of the ANN board completely and give them their own sub once they've paid the fee. If there's no Ann board then there will probably be no paid bumping because it will be useless, but let them spam away in their own slum and squalor.

Maybe.
I think that would once and for all solve the paid bumping issue and it's about time ICOs started contributing financially to the mess they're causing here and the extra manpower that is needed from staff to clean it up.
If it solved the paid bumping issue once and for all then their would be less manpower needed to clean stuff up. They can self-mod their own threads and keep them clean if they want to look professional. Spam in their threads looks very unprofessional to me.

I think a better solution (and as I have suggested before) would be that lower ranked member's posts in there just don't bump the thread at all. I think they'll just get around it though by using higher-ranked accounts which could easily be purchased (if they don't even have them already or some high ranked bumping service will then pop up to meet demand).
I also like this idea where say only member and above accounts bump threads. Sure they would build high ranked bumping services but they would eventually run out of easily available high ranked accounts in the same way we expect them to run out of airdropped smerits. It will not be easy fr them to farm up a bunch more member accounts with the merit system in place as it is now.

Their are a lot of good ideas in this thread relating merits to bumping but it is tricky.
If it comes to a system where you have to "spend" merit to bump threads I guess I won't be bumping anything until I'm over 1000 and have some to spare, like in another 1.5-2 years...

By having a group that screens every project, you inadvertently present the idea that any project that makes it past the group and is posted on the forum is legit, when in fact, it could be one of the biggest and most elaborate scams yet.
Absolutely correct. I do not think that Bitcointalk should get itself into endorsing ANY altcoin or project other than the one and only true Bitcoin.


One last thing is all of these "tokens" that don't even have their own blockchain. They are not pioneering the advancment of cryptocurrency technology but rather just sucking what they can out of it just using "crypto" as a marketing ploy and an easy convenient way of sucking in money.
I'm not sure they should even be under "Alternate cryptocurrencies" but why are their so many of them still under "Announcements (Altcoins)"? Not enough manpower to move their threads to "Tokens (Altcoins)"?
Myself I wouldn't even move them but delete them with a little note to the OP "Try again in the right section".
1443  Other / Meta / Re: Ideas for topic ordering in altcoin announcements? on: December 10, 2018, 09:59:08 PM
KYC

1444  Economy / Reputation / Re: Thoughts: paying hackers to get accounts back: ethical or not? on: December 10, 2018, 09:40:19 PM
I'll test it.
Change my email twice and see if the first email can lock it still.

It locked from the original email account after 2 changes.

"Sorry EmailAcctLockingerTesting, you are banned from using this forum!
For security, your account has been locked. Email locked...@bitcointalk.org"
1445  Other / Meta / Re: "Moderator please ban him!!" V2 on: December 10, 2018, 09:13:25 PM
Another one..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=854030;sa=showPosts
1446  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] 🚀 MASK 🚀 [POW][CRYPTONIGHT]: THE MOST 🤫 PRIVATE 🤐 BLOCKCHAIN WITH 60 M on: December 10, 2018, 09:12:05 PM
DON'T CLICK LINKS LIKELY MALWARE
1447  Other / Meta / Re: Ideas for topic ordering in altcoin announcements? on: December 10, 2018, 07:36:22 PM
Sell the top spots to them like parking meters or youtube superchats. Send so much BTC and then the time ticks down for their positions. Bounties too.
Spend it on a superbowl add for BTC  Cool

They can play bumping games for the unpaid spots after that.
1448  Economy / Reputation / Re: One person has sent 50 merits to a service announcement thread. on: December 10, 2018, 04:49:00 PM
Learn to construct a meaningful sentence in English. Tongue
Maybe some day..
Oh. You just missed the opportunity to accuse me of signature spamming. Dint u? Cheesy
We both know that wasn't the significance.

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Did you just word-spin xtraelv's sig?

"We are surrounded by legends on this forum. Phenomenal successes and catastrophic failures. Then there are the scams. This forum is a digital museum.  
* The most iconic historic bitcointalk threads.* Satoshi * Cypherpunks*MtGox*Bitcointalk hacks*pHiShInG* Silk Road*Pirateat40*Knightmb*Miner shams*Forum scandals*BBCode*"

"As a member of BitcoinTalk, you are surrounded by legends; phenomenal successes and catastrophic failures. The forum was created by Satoshi Nakamoto and saw the first exchange, the first altcoin, and the first ICO, but also catastrophic software flaws, massive thefts, and incredible scams. You too have an opportunity to become part of the forum's history: whether and in what way you do so is up to you."
1449  Economy / Reputation / Re: One person has sent 50 merits to a service announcement thread. on: December 10, 2018, 03:55:57 PM
I think, sending 50 merits to a Service Announcement appears legitimate to you.
Oh yes, because I sure love me some managers..

you sent him 5 merit instantly
Try harder..

Why did you take your chain-bet sig off so fast just now?

1450  Economy / Reputation / Re: Thoughts: paying hackers to get accounts back: ethical or not? on: December 10, 2018, 03:05:34 PM
If my motives are questioned, I won't do it.

Nah, you're pretty legit Wink
1451  Other / Meta / Re: The release of Satoshi's personal data on: December 10, 2018, 03:01:26 PM
You're welcome OP  Roll Eyes

Guess I have to wait another 50 years...
1452  Economy / Reputation / Re: Thoughts: paying hackers to get accounts back: ethical or not? on: December 10, 2018, 01:54:34 PM
I have mentioned before that this is about the only way to get your account back to offer the guy some coin to give it back.

I doubt it will be the actual "hacker" you are dealing with. I think the hacker probably just sells them and then whoever actually bought the account is also screwed when it is outed.

I don't think it is unethical depending on how you feel about paying ransoms. In that case the "hacker" guy would probably be best off to demand a ransom for the account in the first place but this is more like an offer to return lost property.

I guess you could set up a specific escrow for this particular situation but what are you going to do for awareness? Offer your service to every "help account lost" thread?

So hacker gets account and sells it to a spammer (often plagiarist) and get paid, then the spammer that bought the account gets screwed when his bought account gets red trust but he can get $25 of his money back if he gives the account back. He might do it if he knows the deal is available.

Kinda dealing with some dirty folks.

it's probably better if more DTs will join the effort.

What do DTs have to do with it? It's just $25 but DT doesn't equal escrow..
You will just have to convince whatever DTs tagged it to remove them once the original owner gets them back..

It might make you look like you are running an account hacking racket though. If you are profiting off of it and have success it might look like you are the one getting the accounts to make a few bucks as a tagged hacked account is basically worthless other than this ransom you are thinking of.
1453  Economy / Reputation / Re: One person has sent 50 merits to a service announcement thread. on: December 10, 2018, 01:37:55 PM
So does bumping a 2 month old thread with a shitpost and instantly getting Jr merits for it..
1454  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [Auction] 1 x Titan Silver Tenth, Loaded, & Beautiful on: December 10, 2018, 11:04:38 AM
0.106BTC
1455  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [FREE RAFFLE] CLOUDBET & KROGOTH'S LOADED DENARIUM COIN RAFFLE#5 on: December 10, 2018, 09:13:04 AM
13 - eddie13
1456  Other / Meta / Re: Is the Default trust system still working/active? on: December 08, 2018, 05:01:53 PM
I don't like how the current system is working at all.

I don't mind the current DT system however centralized it may be because I trust and have great respect for the vast majority of those currently enlisted.
I think they check eachother pretty well also when their are disagreements everyone comes together to make sense of the situation, even non-DT have a voice, and usually everyone steps away with continuing mutual respect. Everyone misunderstands or is wrong sometimes.

But, if you really don't like it for being a "top down" structure I think you could scrap the appointed positions of power part and rather use an algorithm to calculate the weight of everyones sent feedback to be summed to each accounts final trust score.

Something like..
[(Activity/1000)Rank](Trust/20) = Weight of left feedback

Variables for "Rank" could be something like Legendary=1 Hero=0.75 Sr.=0.5 Full=0.25 with all lower ranks zero and "Trust" would be the feedback leavers current trust score. If the solution is negative (negative summed trust) weight=0
(Abuse resistance)

For a 900 activity hero with a trust score of 50 leaving a positive trust [(900/1000)0.75](50/20)=1.6875 round to 2 decimals would give the feedback receiver +1.69 to their trust score.

For a (very trusted old member) legendary with 2000 activity and 200 trust score giving a positive [(2000/1000)1](200/20)= 20 would leave +20

So the more established and trusted a member is, the harder their trust hits (more weight), and you would have to be atleast a full member, with net positive trust, for your feedback to carry any weight at all.  

A persons Trust score would be the sum of all received feedback. Negative left feedback would just be negative in the sum and subtract from the final score with equal weight.

In the risked BTC column you could give the option to enter a modifier from 0 to 1 so a person could reduce the weight of their feedback if they want.
He could type in "1.25 #0.5" so the legendary example above could leave only +10, or type "1.25 #0.1" to leave only +2. (for 1.25 risked BTC example)
[(Activity/1000)Rank](Trust/20)(user modifier)

So a person could tone down the weight of the feedback they leave if they feel it is appropriate so they wouldn't have to be so conservative with every feedback they leave which is the case now. Maybe leave it continually editable for later changes.

If you wanted to keep the Time part you could add [(Activity/1000)Rank](Trust/20)(Time)(user modifier) where each month equals 0.1 maxing out in 10 months as 1 so it would grow throughout 10 months to its full strength.

I'm no mathematician and I just chose my numbers to try to get a reasonably ranged result.

I don't much like to make suggestions because I am just a nobody and not a genius but I think a system like this would be cool to see.
I don't think this should be done but rather should be considered and brainstormed upon unless their are serious flaws in my logic I am not seeing.

I would probably just leave it alone because it is a lot better than nothing. Maybe an algorithmic system like this could be implemented in parallel with the current system at first so the old system doesn't have to get completely scrapped while working out the bugs and adjusting to the new system.

I don't consider this "a suggestion for alteration to the current DT1 list" so won't make an OP about it.
1457  Other / Meta / Re: Is the Default trust system still working/active? on: December 06, 2018, 01:38:08 AM
@eddie, I donít like that sort of system as we have now.

I donít think scam busters should be on dt merely for being scam busters and itís why quite a few have gone on to scam and also why mdayonliner got negative trust too.
A system in which verifiable trades get chives positive trust in return, is as I see it, a much better system. Call me old fashioned, I like people to only give trust when theyíve had something at stake and itís paid off.

It could be worse. The system we have isn't perfect but what system is?

I am suspicious of users "Gunning for DT", I think we all should be, we need to keep an eye on them, and even they should understand that and be open to it.
The merit system has made it a bit worse, or should I say increased that activity, because the same avenue is also an outstanding path to a lot of merits. 
But you can't just hate them. I can't blame a guy for being ambitious and some of them have turned out pretty good. But this is crypto, and the internet, and we should be suspicious of everything and keep in mind their ultimate motives.

I don't think a person should be added to DT only for having left a lot of valid feedback, but should also display very good judgment in complex cases, and also be trustworthy enough not to be setting up for a long con. But leaving valid feedback is a good reason to add them.
It's not like DT=Trusted escrow though. I'm not sure I would trust half of them just to not screw up and lose my coins, and be willing and able to reimburse me if they did.

I understand the ideas behind wanting to leave positive feedback for all successful trades, or only trades where you took a risk, or only to those you would vouch for, or be against positive feedback left in the absence of any trade, or for it, or for or against leaving a negative with no trade. They all have pros and cons.
I'm generally for anybody doing whatever they think is the right thing to do even if their ideas are not parallel. As long as they have good intentions mostly in line with my view Satoshi's vision of liberty I guess.
1458  Other / Meta / Re: WARNING - Sr-Accounts hijacked by Theymos impersonator - How to get them back ? on: December 05, 2018, 11:36:27 PM
Frankly at this point, I have no idea what to do

Send negative trust to your old account "This was my account and it was hacked (date)"
See what you can do to get some DT to leave a negative on the hacked account, figure out what evidence you can muster and what evidence they will accept to place a negative.
Continue with your new account and start over. Start your company related OPs over again, warn in your old ones, and maybe you can get a mod to lock them.

I wouldn't hold out hope for recovering your old account. I'll give you a merit to help get you started fresh.
Take more proactive measures to not get hacked again. Stake a f'n address.
1459  Other / Meta / Re: Is the Default trust system still working/active? on: December 05, 2018, 11:18:48 PM
not required to be a scam buster

I think DT is more for placing valid scammer tags and the only sure avenu to becoming DT is to become a scambuster and leave a lot of valid negative feedback.
DT positive is very conservative because you are basically staking your reputation to vouch for someone, or risking the reputation of your judgment for not much gain. Moreso adding someone to DT2 because then you are staking your judgment on them not only not to scam, but on their judgment of others not to scam. It's just much easier and safer not to, and their isn't much upside.

Negatives are much more common and easier because you just prove a fact and that's it, and can't really be undone or later disproved while deserving a positive vouch can easily be undone in the future by a fact of bad action.
It is widely accepted that one shouldn't leave a positive just for any successful trade because blah blah risk not proof etc.
Negatives are 99.9% provable fact and positives are a judgement call, the way feedback is used.

I think it also has a lot to do with benefit to the community.
Scambusters and negative tags are very beneficial to the community to warn others and stop bad actors while positives are only good for what?, saving some traders some escrow fees and slight complexity in trading?
Positives don't really help a person much while negatives have a massive impact.

It is a lot less risky and more beneficial to add someone to DT2 that places a lot of valid scammer tags than it is to add someone who places a lot of positive feedback.

This site has turned more into a place for service gigs like advertising in one form or another, work you don't really need to be trusted to do, and less p2p trading where trust between parties is key and positive feedback is beneficial.

From what I see, not that I completely agree, not directed at TP, just my 2C.
1460  Other / Serious discussion / Re: What if? Satoshi Nakamoto's identity was public information on: December 05, 2018, 08:18:22 PM
Can't find it, maybe I remember something wrong.

It took a little digging, but:

I'll probably release Satoshi's PMs and logged IPs addresses in ~8 years. This'd probably be of great historical interest. (Though he always used Tor, as far as I can tell.)

Awesome man great job and thank you for renewing my confidence in my recollection!
I dug for a while too but didn't go that far back. When I came across his statement of never even reading his PMs I thought I must have been wrong.

So it isn't that close yet but a heck of a lot closer. About 2 years and 4 months left to look forward to possibly a greater understanding of what is Satoshi. Around 4-2021.
 
That is if the deal Theymos mentioned is still on. In all that time passed who knows what could have changed or what new dangers could have presented themselves.
I wouldn't blame him a bit if he had to rescind or further extend the offer but it is something we can look forward to some day legitimately finding out more about the great creator.

What if theymos is Satoshi  Grin
I really don't think so but I suppose it is a minute possibility. Not one of the best theories IMO.

Would you make a complete stranger the admin of your site (?) no matter whatever level of excellence they have?

Well, I have sent "strangers" on this site thousands of $ on faith in their reputations, and Theymos has handed members hundreds of BTC to old for the forum though I don't know how much of "strangers" they are or are not to him.

If it became general knowledge that Bitcoin was created as an experimental project by the Fed and the central banks, would it impact the creation of their new digital currencies?

Alternatively, is it another way to create a massive store of wealth to counter the gold reserves being built by China and Russia?


One of many plausible conspiracy hypotheses but if this is the case they surely went ALL OUT to make it look grassroots. Do you think they would have had the patience to let it slowly grow for so long vs pumping it to the public if that's what they ultimately wanted? All of the negative propaganda they spew from their outlets is just a facade?
Assuming you are speaking of the likes of the Rothschilds they surely have the patience to work toward a goal for a long time, generations, but their usual MO is more along the lines of usury and fractional reserve banking and BTC is quite a leap away from that.  

If it was done to counter China then why have they been allowed to dominate the POW aspect of BTC? They seem to stand just as much, if not more, to gain from mass adoption of BTC than any other entity. They also seem to be the most well set up to control their peoples use of crypto with their Orwellian grip of their subjects use of all things technological.


I prefer the (my) theory that Satoshi is just one person, a very intelligent ancap cypherpunk who had a great epiphany of how to give all people worldwide one of the greatest tools of individualistic liberty the world has ever seen. That he did it for the purpose of good for all humanity to decrease authoritarians ability to completely dominate and control their subject masses.
Optimistic fairy tale.
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