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1461  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Crypto exchanges comparison [trade fee + listing fee + age + mobile app + more!] on: December 05, 2018, 12:11:22 AM
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1462  Other / Serious discussion / Re: What if? Satoshi Nakamoto's identity was public information on: December 04, 2018, 10:56:18 PM
One PRO of Satoshi's identity/story becoming known is that I would then know who really created BTC and that is good because I would like to know Smiley
The biggest PRO of that would be that I know that Satoshi is NOT the CIA and it would shut that whole theory down. It wouldn't be too bad to disprove that one.

I don't think Satoshi should be exposed against his will but I hope that one day he will come out and tell us everything from his inspiration to his motives, including his motives to have remained anonymous all this time.

Satoshi has crossed my mind lately actually.
IIRC Theymos (someone?) said some time ago that he has a bunch more Satoshi emails/PMs that he would release in a couple years and I think that time might be coming up relatively soon. Maybe 2019 but I'm not sure.
I will look and see if I can find some reference.

Edit:
I've never read Satoshi's PMs.
Can't find it, maybe I remember something wrong.
1463  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Binance's partnership with Chainanalysis to detect "Dirty" Coins.. on: December 04, 2018, 07:56:46 PM
I don't like it, but understand that in the great scheme of things our citizenry probably needs it. (Make me nauseous to say that)

Why?
Why would anyone "need" bitcoin at all if it lost its usefulness for its intended purpose? I just posted..

People don't "need" bitcoin to pay for dinners and houses, or to make a profit.

People "need" Bitcoin to resist tyranny and oppression as it is an unstoppable tool of liberty.

If they regulate BTC into some fiat-esque system where coins with untraceable history are worthless, they can blacklist your coins, to where they CAN stop you from using your coins as you wish, then what would be the "need" use case of BTC?

Need to castrate BTC so dumb money stops getting scammed, to stop scary "money laundering? I think not.
But sadly too many people would sign right up for it if they think they will be able to make a few bucks..

I think it will be interesting to see soon if they have any success blacklisting coins. I don't think they will succeed against obfuscation tactics but I don't think we know their true capabilities and don't think they will blow the cover off of their advanced tracing tactics for peanuts.
In the future I predict their will be another Snowden moment where we find out that they have been able to trace your transactions through common tactics for the last X years and it will just be another cat&mouse game with both sides trying to stay one step ahead of the other.
1464  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Binance partnering with Chainanalysis to detect "Dirty" Coins.. on: December 04, 2018, 07:28:58 PM
Seems like the entire nature of why crypto exists in the first place is silently being destroyed.  Undecided

It seems to me that a great portion of the people that have crypto or are interested in crypto don't care much about the ideals at it's core.
Look how many people are looking forward to more and more regulation, and adoption within the finance industry, just so the price will go up.

We think we can "mix" coins but do we really know if it works? How do we know that they, chainalysis, MI5, or the NSA are more advanced in their TX tracking abilities than mixers can obfuscate?

If companies are going to start considering all mixed coins to be dirty they are really going to screw a lot of people and likely themselves.
Am I supposed to ask to see the inputs of any transaction to be sent to me before I can accept it so I can trace the inputs to see if they are "dirty"? How am I supposed to know where my coins came from? That is far beyond my capabilities other than some taint analysis tools I have seen. 

If this becomes a problem maybe their would be a way for us as the crypto community to protest it by mixing ALL of our coins. If we ALL did it wouldn't it defeat their purpose?
Maybe we could start a holiday of sorts where one day a year we all mix our coins to give them a big FU.
1465  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why do we need bitcoin in the modern world? on: December 04, 2018, 06:59:23 PM
People don't "need" bitcoin to pay for dinners and houses, or to make a profit.

People "need" Bitcoin to resist tyranny and oppression as it is an unstoppable tool of liberty.
1466  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: [DAILY FREE RAFFLE] 156th JUST BECAUSE I AM STILL IN A GOOD MOOD FREE BITCOIN on: December 04, 2018, 12:52:57 PM
9 - eddie13
1467  Other / Meta / Re: Can we restrict user registerations somehow? on: December 04, 2018, 04:33:07 AM
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I guess you took my comment wrong. I don't suggest anything, just pointing out the the main problems and the real solution to what everyone is wining about.
It is completely clear none of those suggestions (as you call them) will be ever implemented, so no worries.
The whole idea if there are free money on the table, there's always someone trying get more (all) so it's no way to have fair shares for everyone.

I have thought about this and still fail to see where this is implied in your post..
You even predict an outcome of such action to be where everything is peaches and cream, and Satoshi even comes back, lol.

When the unabashed communist stands with "If we just took all the money from the rich and gave it to the poor the world would be a better place", even though I know that will never happen, I will always stand against these ideas because that is what it takes to ensure it does not happen, action.

the real solution

Is it the real solution? Is it what you advocate for or not?
Or are you just making a mockery out of all those who are whining because the only "real solution" is complete catastrophe?

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The whole idea if there are free money on the table, there's always someone trying get more (all) so it's no way to have fair shares for everyone.
I wouldn't consider it free
It's not supposed to be fair. If you are quicker, faster, and smarter you should get more. "Fair" is just feelings.



We have been chewing this topic for more than a year now. It is clear that more restrictions will not come any time soon ( or at all).
Basically you have two main problems :
-Money from advertising.
-Scammers.

When you have money involved like for advertising the genuine idea is really brilliant but also very utopian. It's almost impossible to stop those who try to abuse them and there is no way to control anonymous entities to follow some rules based only on moral values.
The only way to fight them back is just to scratch them off the forum. The Ann section has to go, together with the bounties,airdrops,and sig. campaigns, then the bots will be gone (almost, part of them will move to service section, but just for a while, keep reading).
Then your spam, bot and shitposting problems will be solved.

Then we have to focus on the scammers problem. Again, there is no way to stop the scammers (for the same reasons I mentioned above) if you do not take their playground away- the Markedplace, which will be a disaster for many people but again, this is the core of the problem, there is no way to go around it and apply some "fixes". They just gonna fail, again...

If those 2 problems are solved, the forum will turn into a quite place for discussions and development, and 99.9% of the active users at the moment will be gone. Ivory Tower will be blossoming again, and the Off-topic section will have only The Round- Earth Speculation thread active Wink

No money = No problem.

BTW some of the old users may return. Maybe satoshi will show up again, if he likes the new environment

It's almost impossible to stop those who try to abuse them and there is no way to control anonymous entities to follow some rules based only on moral values.
The only thing that can be abused is rules. The more rules you have the more avenues for abuse their are. The most "fair" is no rules and survival of the fittest, may the best man succeed. This is why freedom and free markets work so well..

The only way to fight them back is just to scratch them off the forum. The Ann section has to go, together with the -SNIP- ENTIRE MARKET ECONOMY -SNIP-
Then your spam, bot and shitposting problems will be solved.

take their playground away- the Markedplace

Huh

Then we have to focus on the scammers problem. Again, there is no way to stop the scammers (for the same reasons I mentioned above) if you do not take their playground away- the Markedplace

there is no way to go around it and apply some "fixes". They just gonna fail, again...
The more rules you make the more rules you have to make and the end is complete authoritarianism.

If those 2 problems are solved, the forum will turn into a quite place for discussions and development
Everything will be just peachy.

Ivory Tower will be blossoming again
Wouldn't it just be obsolete with no signatures forumwide?


Didn't the first pizza transaction happen here?
Where would bitcoin be at all without the economy this forum has hosted since the very beginning?

I do not know if it has been suggested in the past, but instead of having email account confirmation, every new user should be able to register a Bitcoin address and send a signature with a unique code received at the time of registration. This address would become a way to recover the account as well.

If he did not do this, the new account would look like "on probation" and would be even more limited than the newbie account. It can be more easily nuke by moderators and not just administrators.

I like address integration ideas but I don't see how this would solve any of the problems of this topic.
BTC addresses are about the easiest thing to create anonymously in existence. A millionfold easier than anonymously making an account here and with no realistic limit.
1468  Economy / Speculation / Re: December 2018: Is this a good time to enter bitcoin if you have cash? on: December 04, 2018, 04:15:06 AM
Yes, I believe so but I could be completely wrong.

My expectation is for a low of no lower than $2,500 but we could have already hit our lowest low since the last ATH.
I also expect another pump in the future to again dwarf the last ATH as had happened many times over so for me the prospect of how much to be lost from here is tiny in comparison to what could be gained.

I'm not selling and am more confident in putting more into BTC now than ever.
1469  Other / Meta / Re: Can we restrict user registerations somehow? on: December 03, 2018, 08:55:21 PM
The only way to fight them back is just to scratch them off the forum. The Ann section has to go, together with the bounties,airdrops,and sig. campaigns, then the bots will be gone (almost, part of them will move to service section, but just for a while, keep reading).
Then your spam, bot and shitposting problems will be solved.

Then we have to focus on the scammers problem. Again, there is no way to stop the scammers (for the same reasons I mentioned above) if you do not take their playground away- the Markedplace, which will be a disaster for many people but again, this is the core of the problem, there is no way to go around it and apply some "fixes". They just gonna fail, again...

You seriously suggest removing these sections of the forum?
If you think the forum would be better off completely without them then why don't you just put them on ignore? You should also remove your signature and ignore signatures.

Delete the marketplace too. No buying and selling anything allowed! No trades or transactions.

No money = No problem.

Change the name to nothingtalk.org ?
Just castrate the forum so it becomes docile.

Maybe satoshi will show up again
Oh, I'm sure he would just adore your ideas.

Emails can be hidden and not exposed yo public view, having a confirmation requirement does not reduce anonymity of a user
What about bitcointalk itself? Theymos and the moderators? Do they not count?

My suggestion would be to add evilness retroactive.
So I log in from my hotel wifi or mcdonalds and all of a sudden I'm banned until I pay an evil fee?
Every account that has ever logged in on an IP that collected evil just gets wiped out, and the next time any IP gains more evil all accounts that have used that IP get wiped out again.

As always some people here on the forum are using over 200 accounts in the same bounty and this is disturbing my mental state  Grin.

How exactly does this effect you? Are they your competition?
They are just a bunch of fake twitter accounts spamming scams to other fake twitter accounts providing very little to no value to the company hiring them. So they are the ones loosing by paying them for garbage.
If they don't want to wise up to who they hire then let them fail. Why should we protect them?

IMO ETH token ICOs are one of the worst things that ever happened to cryptocurrency because they tarnish the image of crypto as a whole. They make crypto look like shit.
99% of them are get rich quick schemes at best and I don't much mind them getting a taste of their own medicine.
Just ignore the bounties board and whack em if they try to spam this forum outside of it.


In closing I guess I would just like to say that I value the ideals of Bitcoin and Bitcointalk more than I value the absence of scammers and spammers. Dealing with them is a small price to pay.
If Satoshi's priority was to stop scammers at all costs he wouldn't have made the BTC blockchain immutable, would have made transactions reversible, and would not have been concerned about anonymity. Satoshi's white paper has a section (10) just for privacy.
The only reason I am in Bitcoin is because I believe in freedom.

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety, Benjamin Franklin.

This isn't Twitbook. By coming to this forum you are venturing deeper into the internet.
1470  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Mike Pence Talks Mad Shit about China! "Mobilized Propaganda Outlets" on: December 03, 2018, 12:26:45 AM
Wait, so dull tools have a purpose too?

If the competition is only about how many tools you have it doesn't matter how sharp they are.
1471  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [Auction] Funded BitPiece on: December 03, 2018, 12:18:25 AM
0.255BTC
1472  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [FREE RAFFLE] CLOUDBET & KROGOTH'S LOADED DENARIUM COIN RAFFLE#4 on: December 03, 2018, 12:07:56 AM
3 - eddie13
1473  Other / Meta / Re: Can we restrict user registerations somehow? on: December 02, 2018, 11:29:19 PM
I think something needs to be done about registration but not completely shutting it down (very bad idea)
For example i noticed that when you register on this forum, There is no confirmation link sent to your email address, i really don't know what the reason for this is but it certainly is a contributing factor to increased easy creation of fake spamming accounts ( i could just use random emails to register as many accounts as possible)

- My suggestion would be to intergrate some sort of SMS verification/Email verification per account. Once a number has been associated and verified with a given user id, one can not use it for creating another account.

- Restrict use of disposable email services for new registrations
I really don't know how easy it is to implement any of the two  but those are just my thoughts

We have to let legitimate anonymous users register here and have multiple accounts.
1474  Other / Meta / Re: Can we restrict user registerations somehow? on: December 02, 2018, 11:16:13 PM
Currently we are dealing with:

1. Advertisement spam.
2. Trolling
3. FUD spreading
4. Ref spam and general spamming.

None of this is that bad really, just inconvenient.
What actually is bad is what is happening with new accounts creating fake ANN threads in attempt to infect users with malware in their wallets and downloads. This is actually damaging rather than just annoying.

I'm half of the notion that people should just know better and if they get got by it I hope they learn from their mistake, but many don't know any better and expect the forum's scum to be cleaned up by moderation.

The more you moderate the more you have to moderate so I think the next reasonable steps be more new account restrictions such as only member and above accounts will be allowed to post topics in certain sections and/or a similar threshold to be able to self moderate topics.

If they get banned they simply get as new VPN using some of the public ones people host and create another account to spam on.

This has already been made quite hard to do.
1475  Other / Meta / Re: "Moderator please ban him!!" V2 on: December 02, 2018, 10:26:56 PM
I reported his OPs and left a - but it seemed like this thread is what made some actual action happen last time.


1476  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Beware of sse_197 creating scam altcoin announcements (Scammer) on: December 02, 2018, 09:41:29 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1185338;sa=showPosts

Another one
1477  Other / Meta / "Moderator please ban him!!" V2 - Malware on: December 02, 2018, 09:39:43 PM
FAKE ANN MALWARE THREADS

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1185338;sa=showPosts

same same
Newb posting a bunch of ANN threads..
1478  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [Auction] Monero Collectibles Package - Lealana, Polymerbit, Corrosive, Ag on: December 02, 2018, 08:17:56 PM
0.06BTC
1479  Other / Meta / Re: Moderator please ban him!! on: December 02, 2018, 05:10:40 AM
I look and think cool a chance to get into something early. I like privacy oriented coins for "the next big thing".

But then hmm.. Posted by a newb.. Lets check him out..
Puts coin into a doubler..
ANN thread for smartblock.. 2 of them. Why 2?
Stop spamming
says he..

Posts and ANN thread for Saronite..
Posts ann for Aevo..

WTF is this?
Are you some kind of genius that dev's multiple excellent coins at once? Or just playing your odds?
How could an investor think your coin has promise if your attention is split between so many?

I'll give it to you that you must know what you are doing but what you are up to I have no idea..

It stood out to me a while ago but I didn't connect the dots as to exactly what he was up to.
1480  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Cryptopia Cryptocurrency Platform Services and Development on: December 02, 2018, 04:23:50 AM
Couldn't get into my account. It's been a while.

"Your account has been locked due to 3 invalid login attempts."

Reset my PW, still doesn't work..

How long?

Edit: ah the other email says.. Please disregard..
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