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1  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings on: March 19, 2014, 12:03:40 PM


What do all this have to do with NEOBEE?
I mean, did I miss something important?

SK

Well, NEOBEE is a bitcoin security and if MP's email exchange is to be believed, it hints that US SEC is out for blood in regards to bitcoin securities. Even those traded on exchanges not domiciled in the US.

So as Walter Sobchak would say: "This affects all of us man!"
2  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings on: March 19, 2014, 10:22:59 AM
maybe its because *speculation here*  SatoshiDice was acquired and used for mass money laundering scheme for some big guys, which are under investigation, evoorhees is under investigation  thanks to that too ... i didn't see any advertisement or something about SatoshiDice after the change of ownership... its like > anonymous flow of money into casino = anonymous flow of money into bitcoin securities, because of that I was asking here few months ago, what is the legal declaration of neobee shares and if its everything legal... of course i didn't get an answer from competent people, what exactly are shareholders holding.

EDIT : reading that emails ... MPOE nailed it

Yeah, he fucking nailed it alright.

As to what SEC is really after here, I been thinking about that too.

Perhaps as you suggest there's some money-laundering tie-in here with bitcoins flowing through Satoshi Dice. That seems reasonably plausible, but then again seems like there'd be better ways of mixing coins that don't leave taint.

It also occurred to me, especially with the focus on SDice, that they might be more concerned with the gambling aspect than they are with the fact that there's securities out there not under their dominion.

But either of these reasons was the case, why would SEC be taking the lead on this, as opposed to some other three-letter-agency? Money laundering and online gambling seem to be outside SEC's bailiwick... not that US federal agencies aren't a confusing jumbled stampede of jackals.
3  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Havelock Investments - Exchange feedback/comments on: March 19, 2014, 10:17:38 AM
Hmm... so MP just published an email exchange he had with some SEC toadie who came enquiring after his MPEx customer records, specifically pertaining to Satoshi Dice.

Seems to provide confirmation of what many have suspected... that US SEC is coming after bitcoin securities.

http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/

What's everyone's thoughts on this?

I luled so hard on MP's answers Grin



Yeah, agreed. He went toe-to-toe with this lady. Pretty hilarious exchange.
4  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Havelock Investments - Exchange feedback/comments on: March 19, 2014, 09:59:31 AM
Hmm... so MP just published an email exchange he had with some SEC toadie who came enquiring after his MPEx customer records, specifically pertaining to Satoshi Dice.

Seems to provide confirmation of what many have suspected... that US SEC is coming after bitcoin securities.

http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/

What's everyone's thoughts on this?
5  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings on: March 19, 2014, 09:58:34 AM
Sorry if this is somewhat off-topic, but MP just published an email exchange he had with some SEC toadie who came enquiring after his MPEx customer records, specifically pertaining to Satoshi Dice.

Seems to provide confirmation of what many have suspected... that US SEC is coming after bitcoin securities.

http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/
6  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings on: March 18, 2014, 02:51:18 AM
Ummmm. Wat. First of all, the prospectus doesn't state this. Second of all, there aren't even 200 countries in the world.
"...This service will provide increased accessibility to crypto-currencies across 200 countries including China..."
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1khGADbJeu0efCNZ13lnz8BucG7PfS5Cl9lBZ1sncY-4/preview?sle=true
Page 31
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #ik1520u0haI5Ft3h

Oh, I stand corrected. It does say that. I ctrl-F'ed a version I printed as a PDF for "200", and for some reason that page is blank in my copy.

Still, the question remains, how do you end up with 200 countries? I think even being fully inclusive you only get to about 196.
7  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings on: March 18, 2014, 01:49:41 AM
Also Neo Easy-coin will be available in 200 countries INCLUDING China

Ummmm. Wat. First of all, the prospectus doesn't state this. Second of all, there aren't even 200 countries in the world.
8  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings on: February 26, 2014, 03:59:04 AM
It's pretty ugly to see so much kicking of someone who's down because who knows what big company might be next casualty. Just because you're riding on a high horse today doesn't mean you won't get shot down tomorrow.

while i share your sentiment somewhat (i think its obvious that Mark is under a gag order and has been for some time), im afraid you wont find much sympathy in this or many other threads here at the moment. this is still quite fresh for some.


Yeah. If this IRC chatlog is to be believed (I can't vouch for its authenticity), I think Mark revealed he's under a gag order, using somewhat coded language.

[12:07] <MagicalTux> anyway
[12:07] <MagicalTux> maybe I should go to sleep now
[12:07] <JonWickedFire> Anything else you'd like to say to everyone before all the pissed off people start going nuts, even more...?
[12:09] <MagicalTux> not really
[12:09] <MagicalTux> maybe just a link? something like that: Why do we fall? - 9GAG
[12:09] <MagicalTux> well, we'll see how this one goes anyway
[12:16] <JonWickedFire> Well, I'd like to chat more, but I know you're pushing to go to sleep.

Either this dude speaks in non sequiturs or he's tipping us off.

Full log : http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/179038-my-conversation-mark-karpeles-mtgox-2.html#post2164682
9  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings on: February 24, 2014, 09:17:35 PM
Some more interesting shots from the event:

https://i.imgur.com/7TjjIZN.jpg


No bail-ins in Alaska!!
10  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings on: February 23, 2014, 12:27:11 PM
I am Neo!  Smiley

LOL touché
11  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings on: February 23, 2014, 08:47:27 AM
Wow, beautiful site! I just read the whole thing! Well done team!

When you get around to it, here's some very MINOR issues I found on the english language site (I can't do Greek sorry).

Most is just UK English consistency/readability stuff.

http://www.neo-bee.com/en/services/personal/my-wallet/
Simply paste in the bitcoin address you want to check the balance of.
...
Please pay extra attention that the address you are about to send your bitcoins to,


http://www.neo-bee.com/en/services/personal/bee-cards-your-business/
so they may be incentivised to provide discounts for you


http://www.neo-bee.com/index.php/en/bitcoin/
Decentralised, secure and transparent,
...
financial, human and organisational capital,
...
military and telecommunication organisations use globally
...
Only 21,000,000 coins will ever exist and currently only 25 new ones are created by the network, approximately every 10 minutes.
...
slowly recognising the transformational potential
...
unattached to any single business, person, organisation and country,


http://www.neo-bee.com/index.php/en/faqs/
network of payment and exchange, that is completely decentralised.
...
This method also protects the permanency of each transaction in the blockchain (the distributed Bitcoin ledger).
...
A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that returns payouts to its investors from their own money.
...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin (current link is to Greek wiki)
...
we've found that some conventional news outlets usually dramatise their news too much



 Hope you have a stellar opening day!
12  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings on: February 19, 2014, 12:42:31 AM
Thanks for the photos Danny. The branch looks real nice. It also kind of looks like a futuristic squash court, lol.
13  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings on: February 14, 2014, 12:11:19 AM
In other words, what is essential for us shareholders, is that : If Danny and co. knew about this issue 2 months ago, the whole NEOBEE was very well prepared and awaiting BTC crash. Possible in unregulated market? Sure. Illegal? No. Are we going to profit from this? IDK but I doubt that anybody else besides individuals behind this theater will profit.

That silence around finally make sense.

EDIT : Its good to be prepared for situation that Havelock is in trouble right now and they will potentially run with remaining BTCs and lock shares (look at recent SR2 bs news). I hope not, but who knows, history teaches us. So TAT, please make backup of database and I suggest to halt all share transfers until the malleability issue is done and we have a clear statement from Havelock that they are not affected in any way by malleability. I don't want to spread panic, but I am tired to see that community is losing coins because of this kind of 3rd party bullshits since 2011.

Also its very suspicious that Havelock still didn't implement the feature, that owner of shares can lock btc address to account. So our shares are not registered to btc address there, but to email.

I think it's set up so that TAT does get a list of Havelock NEOBEE passthru owners twice daily.
14  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process on: February 10, 2014, 06:44:58 PM
Interesting theory. Was also the first thing that crossed my mind upon hearing about Gox's potential troubles (and perhaps lost assets) with the malleability attack. What matters is which wallet software was running. In the case of Gox's it was some homebrewed code that contained no patch for the malleability problem, even though this exploit has been known for at least a year. So, anyone know what wallet software Weex was running on?
15  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [PREORDER] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: February 07, 2014, 09:17:40 AM
“Our hardware producer had an unfortunate error in the finalization of the cases and we needed to run a completely new production batch so we’re again in a delay,” a company spokesperson told newsBTC on Thursday evening.


http://newsbtc.com/2014/02/06/trezor-bitcoin-wallet-delayed-due-production-error/

 Sounds like it was not their fault but sadly a manufacturing error has forced them to delay delayed shipment. Hopefully we can get an updated ship estimate soon.

16  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings on: February 05, 2014, 12:12:26 AM
It's likely a summing error due to not clearing the tickets properly. The tech team has been notified to sort it out.

I'll have some updates tomorrow.


Thank you for attending to the error.

I realize the system has been a little bit buggy and that you even disclaim this on the site:


The Buy Shares feature and display totals are not fully displayed currently.

A Buy order locks the shares, making them temporarily unavailable for purchase. If the order goes unfunded (the buyer never sends the coin payment), then they are released again.

We are working on optimizing the process and how it displays, so for the time being, please note that the Shares Remaining total may be inaccurate.

There are still shares available for sale.



But it's been up for a while and it's still doesn't seem to be giving accurate information. I hope it can be fixed soon. For a company that plans to open a full-fledged exchange website (Neo X-Change) this sort of bugginess on the investor website doesn't exactly inspire confidence...
17  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings on: February 04, 2014, 10:57:04 PM
sorry for the naive question but where can i find out information on the progress on the IPO?

I have read the description on havelock which indicates the schedule.

Really i just want to know how many have sold in total and how many are to be sold at .003 in the future total.

www.lmb-holdings.com if you login you can see shares left

https://twitter.com/BtcDanny


 there are 2732024 of Shares available, out of which 196910 are locked. out of 9,600,000 from IPO

there is now 3125422 shares available.

 how does that work? can people sell back to lmb holdings at will?



No, the "locked" shares were simply unlocked, as they were unsuccessful purchase attempts that needed to be cleared.

If there were 2732024 Shares available, and 196910 locked, then that's still only 2928934 total after unlocking.

Where on god's green earth did 3125422 come from?
18  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Neo EasyCoin Official - Buy BTC With Cash [UK,USA,Russia,Denmark,Sweden,Norway] on: January 28, 2014, 10:16:52 AM
 Sad Looks like some bad news:

"The Bank of Russia has warned that Russian legal entities providing services for exchanges of cryptocurrencies in rubles and/or foreign currencies, as well as for services and products, will be considered possibly involved in the implementation of suspicious transactions…"

From: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/01/28/breaking-news-central-bank-russian-federation-bans-bitcoin-violates-aml-legislation/


Calling it a "ban" might be exaggeration. But it certainly seems like Russia is taking a hard stance. If this is true, would it preclude EasyCoin operation in Russia...?
19  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process on: January 27, 2014, 02:05:35 AM
Yeah. Simple explanation. 16kKtG4v576JLkJ1awySuxeS1W5EEXFJ1w was not the only input into that 85.53 BTC transaction. See here: https://blockchain.info/tx/93db488fd8bcf51d26e5517b06205345f8b725ec178f76ee27a46c346942bfef
20  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings on: January 23, 2014, 09:33:37 PM
The IPVO launched September 20 of last year, when one bitcoin was about 98 euro. Now exchange rate is up to like 620.

And I believe Danny has stated that most of the funds raised have not yet been converted to euro.

So yes, N&B already has way more capital than they had initially sought...

Maybe Danny or NEO-PR would care to jump in here and say how any additional capital in the warchest, raised by selling the remaining shares, is likely to be spent? Like, what are the 'stretch goals' that more capital influx could help to actualize?
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