Not that it is a problem, but I was quite surprised to receive payment from TAABL directly rather than through DR, as in this thread it was explained "payments are made in the ripple network using DR, ..."
Seriously, I don't mind, as long as the issuer is DR ---which it is.
Well, bad wording on our part. Payments are made using DR IOUs, but the payer is the asset account, not DR, which will be true for all assets. |
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Can you share the source code? Pushing binaries around is dangerous (for users) at best. |
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Did you request access to the source? They are not open as advertised, granted, but they are also not closed as people seem to assume. I heard of ripple, thought it was cool, had my aha moment, planned a service. Now, to do this properly I had to get the source, so I asked... and now I do have access to the source. I mean, c'mon, you don't have to like it, you don't have to use it, but just asking sometimes takes you a long way.
Doesn't matter - that is not the point. My point is that they are trying to sell their idea to the public while lying about what the idea is really about. I don't care about whether ripple is open or closed. I only care about if it is advertised as such. Now to your point; scammers don't lie, scammers scam. Liars are the ones lying, and while scammers are certainly liars, they are so much more that that. I'm sure you have lied more than once in your life. Heck, I'm almost certain you have lied more than once in the past hour, but that doesn't make you a scammer, does it?
I disagree. When you first lie to get people into your project and then profit from it - that is already scamming, because people lost their funds and their time to use your fake scammy project. That is already scamming. See, that's something I can not agree with. Lying to get the public to come in and throw money at you, sure. But stating they'll be open just not right now to drive adoption? I'm really happy they decided to do the open beta phase and not just play alone until the opening of the source! Ripple is a hard concept to grasp and the "SCAM you can make your our currency" claims explain just how hard the concept is. Just like Bitcoin, though in a more social and less technical way, Ripple is pushing the responsibility of using the system to the people using the system, i.e. be careful of who you trust, thing about what you are transacting, etc. Sure, it can be abused, it will be abused, has probably been abused already. But just saying "don't use it because OpenCoin (the devs, the early adopters) will profit more" is like saying the early bitcoin adopters or heavy investors are scamming the ones that use bitcoin as currency... really? |
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I usually steer clear of such discussions but as I usually enjoy ShadowOfHarbringer's comments quite a bit, I'll just go ahead and risk "feeding the trolls (tm)";
I agree that I may have a troll-ish style of discussion (sorry for that) but I also do have valid arguments (of which almost none was really adressed by JoelKatz). Heh, that was not my point at all, sorry if that's what it sounded like. I just meant that I knew my reply could trigger a troll-like discussion, not that you were trolling. |
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But by asking, what happens is that you naturally become aligned to support OpenCoin Inc. It's really nothing more than a business deal, and that's not a open currency or payments system.
I understand that, but you can easily not use the system until they open it properly. I don't see what all the fuss is about honestly. |
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Open can mean many things. For example all transactions on ripple are publicly available. I'd call that open. You probably want a full open source stack including server software. This is announced, but wasting time of jk here on the forum won't help getting this published faster.
But their page lists a GitHub account (as if that is the source of entire Ripple) and their wiki says that Ripple is COMPLETELY open source and COMPLETELY decentralized, while that is an outright lie. Don't you get my point ? That is a lie. Lying is what scammers do. I usually steer clear of such discussions but as I usually enjoy ShadowOfHarbringer's comments quite a bit, I'll just go ahead and risk "feeding the trolls (tm)"; Did you request access to the source? They are not open as advertised, granted, but they are also not closed as people seem to assume. I heard of ripple, thought it was cool, had my aha moment, planned a service. Now, to do this properly I had to get the source, so I asked... and now I do have access to the source. I mean, c'mon, you don't have to like it, you don't have to use it, but just asking sometimes takes you a long way. I know that is no replacement for the 'open source' approach, but given the speed at which problems have been ironed out instead of exploited, and knowing the complexity of the system I have to agree that until a stable base is achieved it is easier to keep this behind a gated wall... even though the gate isn't really locked  Now to your point; scammers don't lie, scammers scam. Liars are the ones lying, and while scammers are certainly liars, they are so much more that that. I'm sure you have lied more than once in your life. Heck, I'm almost certain you have lied more than once in the past hour, but that doesn't make you a scammer, does it? |
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Might be worthwhile to note that share owners must trust DividendRippler (not the asset) for BTC, LTC, as well as TRC.
But what exactly happens if you don't? Will Ripple find a trading path to your account so you receive it in some other currency?
No alternative payment is attempted at this point. You might trust DR for BTC and not LTC but the best order in the market might be below your expectation. What happens is simple, the payment stays failed until you retry it, and will fail again if you retry it without granting proper trust. Also, there is one global retry per day, so just add the trust line and within 24hrs at most the payment will be sent. |
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Thanks, all works again.
In the meantime I found somebody trying to update my redemption addresses so I'd like to report this as a sort of security issue: Anybody can read the ripple addresses on the front page and fill them in in the search bar, then edit the redemption addresses. Obviously the "victim" still needs to send 1XRP to DR for the changes to take effect, but this is a fairly small step for somebody who doesn't yet understand the system I think.
In my case somebody tried to change all three addresses to "3", which I guess would have led nowhere even if I accepted them. But playing around with this a little more it seems like I can fill in anything for those addresses. I imagine the next attacker will fill in his BTC address, and then two lines reading something like "Network security issue." "Please update to the indicated addresses." I am sure some people will fall for it.
Well, just to let you know... Maybe stress somewhere to ONLY send 1 XRP if you are *absolutely* certain you changed them yourself. Also, *not* to change them shortly after a transaction, because chances of people picking up your account from the frontpage are rather large.
Yeah, we most certainly need to get a better workflow there. All ideas are welcome at this stage, of course, and the only thing we really want to avoid is forcing users to register with passwords and personal data although we might end up allowing that option in addition to the system in place. The one change I haven't introduced yet but is in the make is getting away with the 1 XRP fixed value and instead using a random value for registration/change. This makes it slightly better but doesn't resolve the problem, of course. |
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Yes I understand I can also have less than 1% share. Was hoping to find some more offers coming.
With only one offer in the order book it is very hard to valuate the offer. For example, how often is TAABL going to pay dividend? Is all of its earnings filtered in this system or only part? If I'm guessing correctly 2BTC/month then at 0.175 per 1% share I will break even at around half a year, right? With BTC half a year is pretty long I think... Also, if I buy now at 0.175, chances are I can find nobody to sell it to in case I wanted to get rid of it.
So it would be nice to either see some more offers or a bit more information on the dividends. For now I think it is slightly overpriced. Well, all that is if I understand the system correctly, obviously.
There is a very, very thin market as this is a really new and not really well understood offer, but you should find most of your questions answered at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=190193.0If you have any further questions just post on either thread. I can try to talk a bit more on expected profit and such, just not at this time. |
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nmc client based on the default bitcoin qt client coming soon..
Are you serious?? ... this would be exceptional, i hope you are not jagging our chains here? yes.. in process now.. eta 14 days qt client (should work linux/windows) 2nd part, 2 weeks later, should include name registration, with some fixed fields to change, like ns, IP).. anything really advanced will need to be done in console window if all goes according to plan Just clarifying, if I understood our PM exchange properly, you are taking the 0.3.50 NMC client and giving it a QT GUI, right? You are not updating the base client to match the newer bitcoin source? |
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Fantastic application that fits Ripple so perfectly! Really nice. Now hoping to get one TBL. So far I can only see 0.9 on offer...
There is no need to do full units, you can buy 0.9 or any part thereof. But just in case you must have 1.0 you can always find more offers on TRC and LTC markets. |
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I'd advise anyone who is thinking of using this service to read the two links in my signature instead. Know what you are getting into.
I appreciate your quest to warn people about what you consider a scam, that's what makes this community safer, but I have to ask: wtf? Do you just post on every ripple related thread or is there anything particular to the subject of this one that you feel people should know about? Ripple is not a scam in my opinion, obviously if you look at XRP as currency it is, but that is completely unrelated to the usage of ripple. Sure, you can issue yourself any kind and amount on ripple, but what makes ripple tick is trust, and I most certainly don't trust your self issued BTC anymore than I would trust your self printed bank notes. Is there something specific to TAABL or DividendRippler that you feel needs being said? |
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Depositing BTC into the Issue Address has worked flawlessly. Got it in my Ripple account and was able to trade with it.
But going back seems to be broken (atm?). I sent some amount of BTC DR IOUs to the Redeem address (including the correct dt). The amount has been deducted from my Ripple account. But one hour later not even a sign of incoming BTC is showing on my BTC wallet, nor is the transaction listed on the DR website Recently Redeemed.
I know intermittently "the processing system is currently offline", so maybe that's the issue? It wasn't offline when I submitted the funds though. Any outlook on when I will receive the BTC? If needed I can pm the Ripple transaction number.
I assume yours is the transaction that was marked 'retained'. Can you send me a link or a hash that allows me to verify? There is one transaction that has been wrongly marked retained and I'm investigating why that happened. The 'currently offline' we are trying to resolve so it doesn't happen so often, but while annoying it shouldn't have any relation to these issues. Thank you for you patience and help! |
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I lost 4 out of 5 BTC and was left completely mad and just wanted to exit this currency.
So... you either never gambled with cash or you've always won, right? Or did you exit the EUR already? Seriously, it saddens me how many people think BTC is just someway to make free cash... |
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Obrigado pela explicação... foi então uma "maré" de azar... lol
Em relação ao seu site, não sei se vou testar... não tenho capital de BTC para isso.
Sem problema, e quanto ao site, não estava tentando "passar a publicidade"  O jogo não é, na minha opinião, um "investimento", por isso há que jogar apenas o que se pode perder! Só quero saber como o spamdice ops.. satoshidice vai funcionar depois dessa nova regra que bloqueia microtransações. Atualmente vc recebe um 0.00000001 bitcoin qdo não ganha o premio... Na verdade recebe no minimo 1 satoshi, mas é uma percentagem da aposta. No meu site tenho tentado várias alternativas, a ultima é não enviar esse satoshi quando perde, não envia nada. Mas se quiser receber um aviso que perdeu (para os bots) basta acrescentar 5000 satoshis na aposta que esses 5000 são devolvidos. |
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Obrigado pela explicação... foi então uma "maré" de azar... lol
Em relação ao seu site, não sei se vou testar... não tenho capital de BTC para isso.
Sem problema, e quanto ao site, não estava tentando "passar a publicidade" O jogo não é, na minha opinião, um "investimento", por isso há que jogar apenas o que se pode perder! |
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Eu por acaso achei as probabilidades do SatoshiDICE um pouco duvidosas...
Eles não podem modificar o hash, ate aqui tudo bem. Mas podem dizer que existe uma x % de vitoria e na realidade não ser.
Na verdade não podem. O hash (depois de alterado pelo segredo) é usado como base para o 'dado'. 4 dígitos hexadecimais são usados para valores entre 0 e 65535 (65536 hipoteses). Assumindo uma distribuição aleatórea (acho que podemos concordar nesse ponto) um jogo de 50% é um jogo de maior que 32767. Se eles retirarem 1% para a casa pagam 2x (50% de hipóteses) num jogo de maior que 33423 (49% de hipóteses de ganhar). É totalmente transparente. O teu "jogo" é o que tens na assinatura?
Eu fui lá dar uma vista de olhos, não percebi bem o funcionamento, mas também li muito por alto.
Pois, é um bocado confuso. Se conheceres estratégias de apostas como o Martingale ajuda, o 3 card poker é simples se conheces jogos de cartas, o simple é como pegar em 1 BTC e fazer 1000 apostas de 0.001 no SatoshiDice. |
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Verificável como?
Em que sentido não pode ser viciado?
Clica em 'VERIFICATION' no site que está tudo explicado. Básicamente o resultado de cada aposta é decidido com base on hash da transação (que não tem como alterar uma vez enviado) e um segredo. O segredo é aberto no dia seguinte e qualquer um pode verificar que as apostas tiveram o resultado correcto. Eu faço parte da equipa de um site concorrente em que em vez de uma aposta singular, quando jogas o sistema coloca uma série de apostas com base numa estratégia, e todos os resultados são verificaveis da mesma maneira. Já tivemos momentos em que parecia que eu tinha feito asneira no código, pois parecia que toda gente ganhava, a carteira ficou bem mais leve. Mas depois tem momentos em que ninguem ganha, e se for ver os dados históricos o lucro que temos é quase exactamente o esperado pelas probabilidades. |
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O jogo não pode estar viciado, pois cada aposta é verificavel. O número que sai no "dado" é o hash da transação que envias (alterado de forma previsivel com uma chave diária que eles mostram depois de já não estar a ser usada).
Agora, sorte ou azar, isso do saco com nove bolas pretas e uma vermelha é como atirar a moeda ao ar... digamos que atiras a moeda ao ar 10 vezes e sai sempre cara, qual a probabilidade de sair cara novamente na 11ª vez? Assumindo que a moeda está perfeitamente balanceada e que atiramos de forma aleatória, é claro, a probabilidade é, um pouco contra a lógica empirica, 50%. É sempre 50%, independentemente dos resultados passados.
Da mesma forma, tirar uma bola do saco tem sempre 10% de sair vermelha, não importa quantas vezes saiu vermelha antes.
Para garantir que a percentagem de probabilidade está correcta é preciso uma amostra grande. Não basta jogar 10 vezes e ver que a casa ganhou 7, é preciso jogar 1000, 10000, por aí. Mas aí é quase garantido que ficaste com menos do que jogaste, ainda que tenhas ganho ~91% das vezes.
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Really does no one consider the possibility of making the GUI a web application that runs in browser on the users own machine? It would be like running an instawallet on your own computer with the possibility of entering in console commands.
I just don't see how that helps getting the namecoin server easier to maintain and use. So you need users to either trust a central hub for all their transactions or build and run their own namecoind... |
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