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Cool another scam/scam circlejerk/bunch of idiots handing out their money to a criminal (despite what his "wife" thinks). What a great day for bitcoin!
How are you making 2.5% a week, Mr. Anonymous Internet Business Genius Patrick "Pirateat40 has a AAA credit rating" Harnett?
I am not a ''wife'' but an actual real life wife (got the ring to prove it). Sadly I'm not feeding the trolls any more (despite the entertainment it would provide). Hence my absence from this forum of late... |
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So its easy to get these returns on paper as long as you naively assume almost everyone will pay you back, but the reality is likely a whole lot different. I will be very curious to see how much of his loans Patrick will be able to recover, considering how many of the people he totally trusted have already defaulted and/or are now branded as scammers.
Patrick scammed himself, unfortunately. I think that's right. My thoughts (not that anyone asked): 1. WifeOfStarfish reads like a sockpuppet to me. If I were Patrick, I'd not want to show this to anyone.More like a meat puppet. quoted for meat puppet LOL  I'm a real person, married to Patrick and you are incredibly rude. |
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So its easy to get these returns on paper as long as you naively assume almost everyone will pay you back, but the reality is likely a whole lot different. I will be very curious to see how much of his loans Patrick will be able to recover, considering how many of the people he totally trusted have already defaulted and/or are now branded as scammers.
Patrick scammed himself, unfortunately. I think that's right. My thoughts (not that anyone asked): 1. WifeOfStarfish reads like a sockpuppet to me. If I were Patrick, I'd not want to show this to anyone.More like a meat puppet.Such a charming, lovely man you must be to call me that. |
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Been visiting my elderly father - somewhat more important than feeding the trolls here.
My regards; hope he's doing well. He has never behaved less than impeccably in his business here yet since Pirate's gone he's the next easy target.
I have as much right as you to be here but I get called ''shill'' (whatever that means) etc. I guess I make an easy target.
I don't think it's insomuch that Patrick is an easy target as that everyone offering interest (at least that I have seen) is being targeted or has been targeted in the past few weeks. 'Shill' is a derogatory term used to indicate a company/service advocate claiming no relation with the company. Whomever has called you that probably needs to reread a dictionary, as you've disclosed your relationship pretty clearly. Again, you don't make an easier target than many - everyone remotely connected with any interest-providing service, and plenty not connected, are being trolled. A few for good reason, but most just because of a large amount of general animosity, a few instigators who the 'mob' of trolls follow like sheep, and some major fallout from multiple defaults, mainly Pirate, in a small period of time. It will pass eventually, don't take it personally. I do wonder why you spend time on these forums, but then again most days I wonder why I spend time on these forums. Thanks. Curiosity brought me here since bitcoins take up a significant amount of Patrick's time. The same reason I now drive his Supra on the racetrack: if you can't beat 'em join 'em... |
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Did Harnett default yet? I notice his "wife" hasn't had much to say lately.
You're a sad person |
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As an example, I have 1000 coins with HashKing that I don't worry about,
Yeah, Patrick seems to be an honest fool. When he wises up, he'll still be trustworthy. Hopefully, it only took one lesson. I think you are giving him too much credit. His other actions strongly suggest that he knows fully well the likely consequences. His posting tactics (including those of his wife -- sorry, it's true) seem to go a bit too far for him to be just an "honest fool." Let's see how moderate your language would be when your dearly beloved is being trolled FOR NO REASON! He has never behaved less than impeccably in his business here yet since Pirate's gone he's the next easy target. I have as much right as you to be here but I get called ''shill'' (whatever that means) etc. I guess I make an easy target. |
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It in no way can help the community when a new person comes to the forums and every thread that mentions prominant characters on the forum suddenly gets a response explaining how that person is scamming
I think it helps quite a bit. For one thing, it means that there are some honest people remaining. Haven't read much of the thread. . . Has the grown man who is a fan of children's TV shows and who rates every scam AAA+++ wound down his own investment program scam yet?
Maybe it's the booze, but his latest posts seem to grant that some skullduggery occured (but the fault of someone else, of course). But he's holding fast! There has been some purging of records, too. A nice touch -- very Arthur Andersen. Strangely, his wife has disappeared. A shame really. I do love me a good shillin' 4 times a day. Been visiting my elderly father - somewhat more important than feeding the trolls here. |
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Pull your head in Micon. Patrick is solvent but pirate defaulting/whatever you call it led to a bank run of panicky investors. High School economics students understand how thiat works. Everyone will be paid and I would like to see an apology posted here from you when the process is complete. Patrick, ignore the fucking trolls. If that happens, I will apologize to both of you. Excellent thank you. You will. |
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At this time I would like to sincerely thank PatrickHarnett. He seems to be the only honest person left on these forums. I requested a withdrawal last night and received it in approximately 12 hours. In light of the slew of scams recently, I've learned a few things: - Don't do anything with BTC that you wouldn't do with cash
- Just because BTC is designed with the possibility of anonymity doesn't mean that all tx's should be anonymous
- Leave most of your money in cold storage
Again, thanks to PatrickHarnett for being trustworthy. Did you contact him ahead of time? This is not typical (12 hr withdrawal time), as I and others have been waiting for the withdrawals to go through and it is expected to take about a week. oh boy. don't like the sound of that. It's about time for this one to end too, and if there are multiple people waiting for withdraws, it's just super likely it's a scam. If you have been waiting for more than a few days for a Patrick Harnett withdraw, please post so here. Pull your head in Micon. Patrick is solvent but pirate defaulting/whatever you call it led to a bank run of panicky investors. High School economics students understand how thiat works. Everyone will be paid and I would like to see an apology posted here from you when the process is complete. Patrick, ignore the fucking trolls. |
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Ahhh.. right. Every business makes tons of profit right away. You never have to invest a shitton of time and effort to get it off the ground. I agree that you could need to borrow money for a short period of time while building a business. However, if you borrowed it at way above market rates, your first priority as soon as you were making a profit would be to pay those loans off. If you're so good at it, why are you spending so much time trolling these forums and not making money? There is no such thing as being "good at it". The claims are *impossible*. I like this. Shows with "Impossible" in the title seem to be popular on syndicated networks these days. "Lending: Impossible" In this episode... Patrick follows through with a plan of action to take with a loud man - HashKing finds a not-so-happy potential lendee displeased by loan rejection - and James gets an unusual credit application. Find out what happens - tonight - on Lending: Impossible. *Intro* *fade out* *Fade into Patrick... 'click, clack, click, clack' ... Patrick stares at a computer monitor* [WifeOfStarfish]: Pat - whatever happened to that loud man on the Internet? [Patrick]: I started using the ignore feature. [Ben]: Pat - you know your mic's on? You know what's nice about the ignore feature on this forum? With some browsers, when you click "show," it doesn't reformat the post window, leaving just a few pixels in height for viewing the message. It's too tiny to read, so even if you're tempted, you can't easily/quickly view what they've written. Day becomes much more productive. [Patrick]: Good to know. Time to do some cooking stuff. *Cut out - Fade into James in a slouching position, reading email on a plane with his tablet computer. He turns to an unidentified man.* [James]: Yesterday, someone sent me ... an unusual credit application. *Zoom to lenders' faces showing concern, shock, and awe -- Fast fade out, go to logo* [Narrator]: Find out what happens next on Lending: Impossible. Stay tuned! ... That's good enough to justify a pilot, right? Definitely - so funny |
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TL;DR In short, there are times where it makes sense to keep cash on hand vs paying off outstanding debt.
Sure, those would be the times when you aren't making a good profit. But if you're doing all this work and taking all this risk and not making a good profit, you're basically a fool. Ahhh.. right. Every business makes tons of profit right away. You never have to invest a shitton of time and effort to get it off the ground. If you're so good at it, why are you spending so much time trolling these forums and not making money? +1 Imsaguy I love you (platonically - my heart belongs to Starfish) Joel, Man up - you're losing your mojo (are you using both hands?) |
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You are the most detestable individual I have ever come across on the internet
Name calling is not a substitute for a reasoned response. One more time in case you missed it: There is simply no way a rational businessman would take all this risk and pay such high rates unless he was making a significant profit. And the first thing a rational businessman would do when making a significant profit is pay off his absurdly-high interest debts. And if the risk is high and he nevertheless had the funds to cover losses, the most rational thing to do with those funds would be to loan them and thereby get rid of his high-interest debt. No rational person would have $50,000 in a bank account and still borrow the equivalent of $50,000 in BTC at exorbitant rates. Is there something erroneous in that reasoning? You've done everything from getting offended to calling me names to making ad hominem arguments -- you've even tried to hurt my feeling and bully me into shutting up. But the one thing you've not done is shown that my argument is actually incorrect. Is your feigned fragility hurting you? |
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This isn't a boxing match, and the opponent isn't exerting himself. Y'all can't tire him out by letting him continue to punch at you, heh.
You're right. It's hard to stay detached/neutral though when someone is shitting on your husband. I will try however. P.S: must be the ''Cleveland Steamer'' act.... |
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Maybe his profits aren't that great. Nor are those of his lendees, if you take into account all the risks attached... Maybe that's precisely the point that they are realizing now... So now the theory is that he is doing all of this work and taking all of this risk, and all he's getting for it is miniscule profits? This again boils down to him being an idiot. I've just reported you for being abusive. Maybe one day the moderators here will actually clean up this forum and make it a place anyone can post without being abused. Shame on you. How is that abusive exactly? I'm not saying he is an idiot. I'm saying that argument boils down to arguing that he's an idiot. Obviously, it's an argument I don't accept. What is abusive, however, is calling other people abusive to shut them up or make them feel or look bad. And telling people you're reporting them to the mods to silence a view you disagree with is bullying. I don't think anyone finds your feigned fragility convincing. You are the most detestable individual I have ever come across on the internet |
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Joel... you're being an argumentative asshole. Patrick is willing to provide ample personal information to anyone depositing with him which provides plenty of recourse should anything happen. Why not troll some where else?
I'm not being argumentative. I'm only repeating the same argument because I have yet to get any rational response to it. My point has nothing to do with his personal information or recourse. People had Madoff's personal information and he appeared to have large assets that would provide recourse. All of that is just not relevant. People think that someone can't be a criminal just because they know them. Well, guess what, criminals don't live in cement cages they do not leave, at least not before they're caught. Scammers know how to convince people they are ordinary, trustworthy folks. And many criminals don't care to hide their identity -- especially since nobody has yet been prosecuted for a Bitcoin-related theft. But more importantly, my point is that there is no known explanation for how he could be doing what he claims to be doing other than that it's a scam. And there is no imaginable other explanation for why he would need or want a constantly increasing supply of other people's money at exorbitant interest rates. There is simply no way a rational businessman would take all this risk and pay such high rates unless he was making a significant profit. And the first thing a rational businessman would do when making a significant profit is pay off his absurdly-high interest debts. And if the risk is high and he nevertheless had the funds to cover losses, the most rational think to do with those funds would be to loan them and thereby get rid of his high-interest debt. No rational person would have $50,000 in a bank account and still borrow the equivalent of $50,000 in BTC at exorbitant rates. The only known explanation is that it's a scam. Do you have some kind of response to this argument? Or are you trolling? What the hell is your problem? Do you think you are intellectually superior to everyone else? Is your life so miserable that you devote pages of ranting to a service you aren't even invested in? +1 |
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Maybe his profits aren't that great. Nor are those of his lendees, if you take into account all the risks attached... Maybe that's precisely the point that they are realizing now... So now the theory is that he is doing all of this work and taking all of this risk, and all he's getting for it is miniscule profits? This again boils down to him being an idiot. I've just reported you for being abusive. Maybe one day the moderators here will actually clean up this forum and make it a place anyone can post without being abused. Shame on you. How is that abusive exactly? I'm not saying he is an idiot. I'm saying that argument boils down to arguing that he's an idiot. Obviously, it's an argument I don't accept. What is abusive, however, is calling other people abusive to shut them up or make them feel or look bad. And telling people you're reporting them to the mods to silence a view you disagree with is bullying. I don't think anyone finds your feigned fragility convincing. If you met me face to face you would not accuse me of ''feigned fragility''. Do you understand that the more you are toxic on this forum, the less the people you want to hear from will post? You have lost Starfish for starters: he has had enough. |
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Maybe his profits aren't that great. Nor are those of his lendees, if you take into account all the risks attached... Maybe that's precisely the point that they are realizing now... So now the theory is that he is doing all of this work and taking all of this risk, and all he's getting for it is miniscule profits? This again boils down to him being an idiot. I've just reported you for being abusive. Maybe one day the moderators here will actually clean up this forum and make it a place anyone can post without being abused. Shame on you. |
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Joel... you're being an argumentative asshole. Patrick is willing to provide ample personal information to anyone depositing with him which provides plenty of recourse should anything happen. Why not troll some where else?
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On that logic, you are a scammer too - the presumption of guilt in the absence of evidence. I find that quite a silly stance to take, and if that is how you view the world, it must be an unhappy place.
Is that the way the US justice system works perhaps - presumption of guilt in the absence of evidence? Hopefully not! |
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Easy. If a thread in "lending" or "long-term offers," contains a business proposal, it's a ponzi.
Duh - what apart from ''business proposals'' would BE in lending?! |
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