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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why Litecoin? on: April 27, 2013, 11:15:52 PM
I'm not holding crypto-currencies because I'm investing, but because I think they're a good idea to conduct transactions over the internet. I bought a set of such currencies (Bitcoins, Litecoins) a long time before all of the hype (see the creation date of my user account, started buying Bitcoins well before I created the account) and I didn't really expect them to rise in value that much. "Investing" in currencies is just stupid, because that's basically a Ponzi-scheme. That's even true for Bitcoin to a given degree now, but at least there you have actual usage of the protocol to offset the speculation. If you want to "invest" in something invest in Bitcoin/Litecoin related companies instead of bubbles.
It's speculation. Pick literally anything. Someone, somewhere at some point in time has used or tried to use it for speculative purposes. It's also no more of a ponzi than holding any other asset before bigger amounts of capital inflow rushes in. As for bubbles, in any market, there will always be bubbles.

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That's only a very temporary advantage. While Scrypt has the advantage that it is "memory-hard", technology changes still have the same effect on Litecoin as on Bitcoin (and other cryptocurrencies). Once ASICs are the primary hashing technology in the Bitcoin world it's hard for adversaries to come up with more effective solutions (unless they can spend lots of energy). (...) And the attack described by you above would also be possible against Scrypt, as you could use a Botnet instead of an ASIC for this. OTOH, once ASICs are the standard in the Bitcoin world Botnet attacks aren't feasible at all, as the hashing rate that can be reached with them is much lower than what a few ASICs deliver.
Asic (and whatever new other viable methods of mining that might surface) miners will be heavily commoditized. You wont be able to use botnets to 51% the network anymore (atleast until everyone and their mother has an asic in the future), but you will have even fewer individuals/entities controlling a bigger % of the total network hashrate....which is obviously not really that good of a thing if you give it some actual thought.
(if scrypt custom hardware resistance holds) It essentially boils down to a higher network hashrate at the hands of a few vs a more widely distributed, but somewhat lower network hashrate.

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With Scrypt on the other hand you'll be facing the same problems, but just at a later time.
So instead we should make no attempt ever at fixing anything, no matter how broken it might be? Ok.

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Visa and Mastercard are different technologies, but they still use a commonly agreed on currency. You already have that in the Bitcoin world: A common currency and dozens of different client implementations. You don't have that in the Litecoin world - there you can only choose one from two outdated and unmaintained clients.
Dont fix it if it's not broken.

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Waiting for 6 transactions (or whatever) is just an arbitrary number. You correctly noticed that the same transaction amount for Litecoins is less secure than for Bitcoins. So why not just wait for less transactions when using Bitcoins?
It's more complex than that. i have not sanity checked this at all,  but it might be somewhat helpful in clarifying that.

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The only reason why the community grows is because previous Bitcoin miners find out that there equipment is suddenly useless and therefore try to earn money with Litecoins instead. The fallacy here is that miners don't really matter much when it comes to the utility of a currency. The community that would need to grow are the actual users conducting transactions via Litecoin and this community is still extremely tiny.
1) If someone is pushed out from somewhere, they will take their things and partially or otherwise move on to greener ($$) pastures if they think that's in their interest. Your point being?
2) What fallacy?
3) For the time being, i believe thepiratebay frontpage is "mainstream" enough Wink

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So you say that Litecoin is a classical bubble? People just buy it because they assume that its value will rise?
So instead people should buy something if they think the price will drop? Sounds like a very interesting concept...you should patent it.

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The exchange rate is just an arbitrary number and doesn't affect real-life utility. The Zimbabwean dollar is not a better currency than the US dollar, just because you need billions of them in your pocket to buy a breakfast. But if there's really a psychological reason behind this it might be time for the Bitcoin community to switch to mBTC or all the way to Satoshis as currency unit.
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Non sequitur.

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In practice (if you look at the source code) Litecoin is basically a copy of an old Bitcoin version and has not been updated for a very long time. In other words: Almost all of the attacks applicable against Bitcoin are also applicable against Litecoin. In addition, all the security issues that have been long fixed in the Bitcoin have been mostly ignored by Litecoin (so Litecoin is still vulnerable to them). Litecoin users are claiming that Litecoin is "more modern" than Bitcoin, but the truth is that it is basically outdated and unmaintained.
Dont fix it if it's not broken. Or at the very least not until you know you wont break it more *cough*hardfork*cough*. it tends to help with building confidence Wink

Litecoin is being pumped at the moment.

Whoever is doing this will do it to PPCoin one day too. They are already controlling the prices with bots on the exchanges.
as if bitcoin was/is any different Roll Eyes
2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoiners: Idea to make Litecoin importance skyrocket in Bitcoin ecosystem on: April 16, 2013, 05:30:12 AM

Well said with all the childish language. lol. Not.

Op's proposal benefits bitcoin only.  It automatically makes LTC the "lesser" coin.  Unless Gavin himself says that they will introduce LTC support along with LTC's commitment to support BTC.  I see ZERO reason to even entertain op's proposal.

Sorry but in this world it's kill or be killed.  BTC needs LTC support much more than LTC needs Bitcoin.  That is what we in the real world call leverage.  It's not some stupid silver LTC coin that anyone can make.  Sorry OP but you are about to go the way of the dinosaur.
ad hominem attacks?really?sigh.Whatever, dude, be the thickest dumbfuck ever.Be fucking blinded by your own ignorance. Be fucking stupid. keep it up. Continue to ignore the obvious benefits to everyone here. Continue with this "us vs them" retarded fourth grade mentality. Keep it up.

go right on ahead being a dumbfuck.
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoiners: Idea to make Litecoin importance skyrocket in Bitcoin ecosystem on: April 16, 2013, 02:52:09 AM
The result wanted for Litecoin can be achieved organically. This modification isn't needed for the result wanted.
no one NEEDS anything but why the fuck not act like fucking grown ups for once and stop fighting over whose's fucking dick is bigger and collaborate towards something beneficial for everyone ?
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoiners: Idea to make Litecoin importance skyrocket in Bitcoin ecosystem on: April 15, 2013, 11:33:56 PM
Sorry to be rude, but I really can't stand the way old school bitcoiners act and talk about Litecoin.

This is what your OP sounds like to me: Litecoiners... protect my big stash of Bitcoins, after securing my nest egg, then in return I will make a lot of money in return by selling physical Litecoins to you guys.

Don't get me wrong, I think this is a good idea. I am somewhere in the middle of the two extremes:
Litecoiners/Bitcoiners: That's a wonderful idea!
Litecoiners: We don't need Bitcoin, nor are we going to be Bitcoin's subservient guard dog, let the ship sink!

Old school bitcoiners seem to just not get the value and use that LTC can have in the future. You blindly ignore the traits Litecoin has that so many people already see (which is why it's up to 2.30 from .07 months ago.) I'll spare you the time of listing off some of the good traits of Litecoin because I know you know them all already, you are just blinded by your big ole pile of Bitcoins.

IMHO Litecoin is doing just fine without this and it will continue to do just fine without this. Bitcoin needs this more than Litecoin needs this. If you can't see the usefulness in Litecoin at this point in its development, then just get to steppin'... we don't need you.

/rant
let's try to keep egos out of this. i couldnt care less what bitcoiners think of litecoin as long as this is beneficial for both sides...and if you look at the big picture, YES, it COULD be highly beneficial to all involved.


I don't see why Litecoin is required here.

I mean, I realize it is, essentially, a large backup tape, in this scenario.

But what exactly prevents BTC from, just, you know, keeping the reorged-away blocks for a little while longer and pleading the node operator to investigate "suspect" reorg when it occurs ?
Both solutions provide, essentially, the same functionality - block material is kept around for a while longer, so that human-op can decide which side of a fork he likes the best. But one requires mutual inter-operation between two cryptocurrency nets, while the other does not.

I, so far, fail to see the advantages to the "inter-operation" scenario beyond "let's give litecoin a sense of purpose" and "it would be a shame if GPU miners starve".
nobody is trying to give litecoin a sense of purpose. litecoin already has a purpose. many purposes actually. only those who chose to willfully be blinded are unable to see it.

and the reason why litecoin is "required" is simple: litecoin is still small/early enough to be adopting these kinds of things. It's much easier to make it happen in litecoin than to make it happen in bitcoin.

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So far, it is basically a rather contrived and complicated block backup mechanism so you could counteract and/or recover from a "bad" reorg.

I am not convinced it would benefit anyone.
How is preventing large malicious reorgs/chains that spring out of thin air and ruin all confidence in bitcoin "not beneficial" ?
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoiners: Idea to make Litecoin importance skyrocket in Bitcoin ecosystem on: April 15, 2013, 07:19:51 AM
The only real threat to cryptocurrencies on the scale of BTC is a state actor - or several state actors acting in unison.
if we start talking state actors then unless we're taking about pacific ocean island nations, or some of africa and a very few others you hardly need more than 1. in fact for most of the countries out there, except for the "lose face" aspect of it, it would take little to no effort (in terms of a country) to do it. i would actually hazard that most subnational entities could easily do it if it's in their interest as well. In fact, i could actually see a national governments "outsourcing" it to subnational entities just because that way if it came out it was a state actor, they lose next to no face at all, as well as being able to go "sorry, nothing i can do for you bro, they have their autonomy"

6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoiners: Idea to make Litecoin importance skyrocket in Bitcoin ecosystem on: April 15, 2013, 04:55:49 AM
I dont seem to be able to make up my mind on this one... On one hand, this, if executed, coordinated and handled properly COULD be highly beneficial to all involved, on the other, (atleast as i understand it) not only would it take an insane amount of coordination to pull this off properly, but also (and this is from me being somewhat of a hardline supporter/proponent of KISS as well) i dont know that i inherently like the idea and the possible consequences of effectively tying both networks together, or for that matter all the additional complication/overhead and possible FUD that this might bring in.

Personally, i've always been expecting someone to come up with some sort of optional overlay network that would run on top of bitcoin and provide mechanisms to possibly help with making successful 51% attacks harder but also provide for easier mitigation if one indeed happened, but so far it seems that doesnt seem to be happening, at all.... maybe this is, in it's own sort of convoluted, abstracted way it ? i'm not too sure.
7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Surely the first crypto to succeed.... on: April 13, 2013, 02:08:40 AM
you might as well figure out how to divide by 0, or maybe the slightly harder traveling backwards in time (if you figure that one out, DO tell us.)
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BTC at $220, altcoins crashing. Where are your AltGods now? on: April 12, 2013, 08:09:39 PM

Keep it up, Bitcoin Failstore.
9  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Warning to all BTC-e users on: April 11, 2013, 10:27:19 PM
just reposting that here. dont know how (un)legit.
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BTC-E hacked? on: April 11, 2013, 10:11:09 PM
oh lawd....that + https://btc-e.com/news/138 + all these issues = bad.

btw that's (according to some quick googling) their freshdesk interface. either someone spent an awful lot of effort on that pic or their freshdesk got compromised.
11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Felix Salmon - Reuters - "The Promise of Ripple" on: April 11, 2013, 09:05:32 PM
Ripple is a nice concept at least for decentralized trading, but the source code has not been released yet, has it?  Also, the method for decentralization has not been exactly proven yet, IIRC.
as far as i know, no. no source code release, and there is no decentralization. ripple is 100% centralized and basically by using it you trust "Opencoin, inc" not to completely and absolutely fuck you over.
12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Felix Salmon - Reuters - "The Promise of Ripple" on: April 11, 2013, 08:41:07 PM
ripple is not a crypto currency - atleast not as defined by bitcoin. i'm sure it has it's target audience and some of it might overlap with that of proper cryptocurrencies but probably the majority of people who like bitcoin & altcoins for the "right" reasons dont want anything to do with ripple.
13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BTC at $220, altcoins crashing. Where are your AltGods now? on: April 09, 2013, 09:30:13 PM
nope. no crash here.
You are confusing dependencies that exist and seeing dependencies that does not exist. If all altcoins die right now, it would not affect Bitcoin in any
negative way, which can't be said for the oppossite case.
>says the guy who has a cafepress-based "megastore"....
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Physical Litecoins by CryptoVest (Coming soon!!) on: April 08, 2013, 05:29:08 PM
i've never liked any of the litecoin designs, except these:


they were released into the public domain by aspect, and were available at http://alpha.cryptotron.com/ltc-designs/original.html (dead site now)

i know there's an awful lot of detail on them (you might want to modify it if your mint cant realistically achieve that resolution) but IMO it's by far the best litecoin design - all the others are complete shit (atleast as far as physical coins go).
15  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Selling 1/10 oz gold coins for alts LTC, TRC, PPC on: April 07, 2013, 10:17:06 PM
wtf. 3k ltc ? for 1/10 tr oz of semi-generic un-assayed gold which is not even .999 (let alone the standard .9999) ? lmao....
16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: A strategy to attack LTC and make money meanwhile on: April 07, 2013, 08:33:43 PM
again the "botnets are coming for you brah" talk...what the fuck, atleast be creative.
also, since the litecoin network hashrate is what it is, any attack that can 51% litecoin can easily be scaled up to 51% bitcoin as well. not to mention that 51% a cryptocoin with a market cap of ~63325172 usd  would surely have atleast some spillover effect into the trust-ability of bitcoin as well. Not so smart now, huh? Wink
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin crashing 70% right now! on: April 06, 2013, 03:10:39 PM
yes, please keep on panic selling.
18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: can someone tell me what the point of litecoin is on: April 06, 2013, 02:57:54 PM
ITT: people who think that bitcoin will be the only cryptocurrency until the end of times.
19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin pools on: April 03, 2013, 06:18:38 PM
Yes, that's all fine and dandy, but not really profitable seeing as it pays nowhere near what PPS pools pay.(Unless you have like a billion mh/s.)
better than leaving your mining farm unattended for an undetermined amount of time and then returning only to find that the pool you use is being raped by ddos, and you're getting  stales/refused/effectively losing money/etc
20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin pools on: April 03, 2013, 06:12:21 PM
people should use p2pool. inherently ddos-resistant, avoids centralization of power into the hands of pool operators, and a bunch of other nice things.
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