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1201  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Choose: Walk The Plank or Keelhaul on: July 27, 2012, 08:00:12 AM
Maged is the one that needs to clarify, but I read it as found to be lying in relations to backing a scam operation. Of course the scam has to be exposed first.

After the dumbass threats regarding copumpkin joking about, umm, pumping pirate kin, I choose neither to confirm nor to deny anything related to that topic.
Again, it's only a problem if you clearly lie. If you were misled into believing something, that's fine. Just don't lie about facts.

Bullshit.  You'd have scammer tags on 90% of the people on any forum.
Yup, the scam has to be exposed AND you had to clearly *lie* about a fact (opinions are fine no matter what) that could cause a reasonable person to think something is safer than it really was AND said people need to make a specific claim that they thought that they could trust what you said AND your statement was a deciding factor in investing (or whatever the situation is) AND the investigator believes the person when they said that your false fact was an important deciding factor.

For example:

What you can do:
If you've traded with a person, you can publicly vouch for them saying that you never had any problems with them. You can also provide your analysis of a person by saying something like "I think x is a pretty good guy based on their post history". If you've been given someone's address, you can say "I know where he lives, don't worry about it", even if the address is false. If you've truly met someone, you can say "I've met him, he's a pretty upstanding guy".

What you can't do:
If you've never traded with someone, you can't publicly say that you've traded with them before. Again, if you've never traded with someone, you also can't say that someone scammed you (specifically, not anyone in general - you can still claim that someone is a scammer, just not that they scammed you). If you don't have any information AT ALL about who they are or where they live (not even a lie that they provided you, but actually nothing at all), you can't claim to personally know that information (but if you think you know someone who might know that information, you can absolutely say that you think you know someone who knows that information). If you've never met someone/slept with their sister, you can't claim to have done those things.

As you can see, this is really quite reasonable.
1202  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Choose: Walk The Plank or Keelhaul on: July 26, 2012, 07:19:40 PM
After the dumbass threats regarding copumpkin joking about, umm, pumping pirate kin, I choose neither to confirm nor to deny anything related to that topic.
Again, it's only a problem if you clearly lie. If you were misled into believing something, that's fine. Just don't lie about facts.
1203  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Can I want my money back from SatoshiDICE? on: July 26, 2012, 07:14:15 PM
Idea: A DB of addresses that pooled funds such as MtGox can contact so they don't send to them. Lottery and SD addresses come to mind.

I submitted a support ticket to Mt. Gox requesting this capability:


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There is the repeating situation where people are withdrawing from a Mt. Gox to an address which is incompatible with a hosted (shared) wallet like how Mt. Gox customer accounts use.

SatoshiDICE is one of these.  The betting site returns winnings (and commissions in losses as well) for all wagers to the sender's bitcoin address.  There have been numerous reports of a party not knowing Mt. Gox accounts aren't compatible in this manner and using it anyway.

While Mt. Gox isn't unique in maintaining a hosted (shared) wallet for its customer accounts, it is the largest.    It might be good customer service to at a minimum maintain a blacklist of static bitcoin addresses where any BTC withdrawal requests from Mt.Gox are checked against this list.  If there is a match either the request is rejected or at a minimum the user is warned before proceeding.

There are multiple services like this ... SatoshiDICE, BTCDice, BitLotto, and a handful of others much smaller.

There might even be a way to automate this where any service that is incompatible with EWallets can submit a request to be blocked.  The request would be a standardized format and be submitted as a message using the message signing feature available in the Bitcoin.org client.  There would probably be two messages for this, one to add a block, anther to clear a block.  That's far down the road though. 

At present it is just a handful of addresses which would be best if they were excluded.

Would Mt. Gox take the proactive step and add some method to either block or warn the user when these withdrawal requests are made?

SatoshiDICE could add one restriction.  If the coin happened to be coming from a green address (such as those from Mt. Gox, Instawallet or wherever else they are offered) to return it without treating it as a wager.  That's would only solve a tiny fraction of these as most are not Green Address withdrawals, but it likely will happen a few times.
Better yet, MtGox can make themselves compatible with SatoshiDice by including a return address in the transactions (by using the feature that many gambling sites now support where you send exactly 0.00543210 to the address you want the funds to go back to) to any address starting with 1dice or that were registered with MtGox with your proposed method.
1204  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Can not reply in most places here on: July 26, 2012, 06:58:11 PM
damn trolls.

Umm... lol, I think.
Mods are trolling now?
I think that Luuzer is saying that it's the trolls fault for this restriction being put into place, and that'd be correct.
1205  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Ultimate blockchain compression w/ trust-free lite nodes on: July 26, 2012, 12:10:04 PM
When a lite node is trying to check the balance of a particular address, it needs to have downloaded the (pruned) alt-chain and every block of the main chain that have been included in the blockchain since the last alt-chain block.
Pretty much. That being said, keep in mind that this would allow someone to become a full node without much trust while ONLY having to download that much.
1206  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: MT Gox: Green Address, what does that mean? on: July 26, 2012, 08:08:02 AM
Thank you! I like to make a bitcoin transaction from MT Gox to my qt-bitcoin client as normal as possible. (The client has already downloaded the whole block chain.)

Without clicking any check boxes on MT Gox I have got my bitcoin very fast (maybe 10 minutes). After 3h I have got 17 confirmations. Is that good? For my next test I have checked the "green address" option. Again I have sent a bitcoin to my address. Got 12 confirmations untill now. The third bitcoin I have transferred with the 6 transaction check box on. It has 13 confirmations untill now. Do I really control this coins now?
Of course. Technically, you control the coins as soon as they hit the network. After that, it's only a question of how certain you are that you control the coins.

0 confirmations: You control the coins, but a good attacker could still "double-spend" the coins elsewhere, causing them to no longer be yours by making the transaction no longer exist. If the transaction is coming from someone you trust, though, you have nothing to worry about.
1 confirmation: The transaction has been added to a block and the only way that the transaction can be undone at this point is if another block conflicts and overwrites this block. This happens fairly often just by random chance, so if the funds came from someone you don't trust, you should still wait.
6 confirmations: The network completely agrees that this transaction happened, and the transaction is almost impossible to reverse. Even if it is reversed by a strong attacker, the effect of such an attack would cause the development team to release an updated version of bitcoin that will lock in this original branch of the blockchain.

When it comes to how quickly you can be certain you own the bitcoins, what matters is how long it takes to receive the first confirmation. After that, every block that ever gets released "confirms" your transaction automatically.

I'm a little bit confused. Tongue
Don't worry, many of us started out that way. While I've simplified how the system works, if you'd like more technical details, the wiki is a good starting point.

I have sent 1.01234567 to 1MagedVeZqDtU4Jh5BdgvHpcWk9dXFzZY8, but there was a fee of 0.0005 BTC. So, did you receive 1.01234567 or less?
I received exactly that amount, thank you!

Sorry because of stupid questions. I'm new to bitcoins.
Again, it's absolutely no problem.
1207  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Public STATEMENT Regarding Bitcoinica account hack at MtGox on: July 26, 2012, 07:49:28 AM
Whoa.  This is not exactly a surprise but it was quite a bold move to rob us a third time, Zhou, shame on you.

Everyone seems to be assuming he's guilty.  I've seen no compelling evidence of that so far.  Did I miss something?
No, which is why you aren't seeing any cooperation on our (the forum) side. However, the question now becomes this: what would an outside hacker have needed to compromise that email address. Off the top of my head, that would mean that ZT's computer must be compromised, and that his computer was the source of all this hacking from the start. I'm curious what other ideas people might have, though.
1208  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Public STATEMENT Regarding Bitcoinica account hack at MtGox on: July 26, 2012, 07:25:22 AM
On a lighter note, this song now has a whole new meaning:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z9Jwp2x86o
1209  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: MT Gox: Green Address, what does that mean? on: July 25, 2012, 10:37:07 PM
Green Address means that MtGox will send the funds from an address that other companies may or may not automatically trust without waiting for confirmations because the funds are being sent and backed by MtGox's reputation, much like a cashier's/certified check. Sites that support Green Addresses will specifically tell you. Otherwise, there's little harm in checking that box - all that will happen is that it might take longer for the transaction to confirm.

As for the Open Transactions checkbox, that means that even if you are sending bitcoins directly to the address of another MtGox account, the transaction will still be recorded on the blockchain. Otherwise, if the bitcoin address is used by another MtGox user, the transfer will be made internally and instantly on MtGox, and there will be no record in the blockchain that you sent the transaction - only MtGox can verify it at that point. Whether you want to check this depends on whether or not you need the transaction to be publicly auditable. This should always be checked if you are sending to Silk Road, because they use MtGox sometimes and they have a bug with detecting non-open transactions.
1210  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Whitelist Requests (Want out of here?) on: July 25, 2012, 09:58:17 PM
Hello,
I am the one who wants to be whitelisted.

I have already spend a lot of time studing bitcoins. I am just studying cryptography. More than a week ago I made two articles on my blog concerning bitcoin and the things related.
You can check it here: http://muzspochybnostmi.blogspot.cz/2012/07/cui-bono-22.html

Well. I hope it is enough if not than I will get "reply" ability normaly.

Howgh
i'm not going to spam the forum...damn.
whitelist me if you'd like more contribution to the forum.
Whitelisted.

Hi
I'm a paranoid schitzo conspiracy theorist who believes the IMF and all major governments are controlled by a secret race of lizards, can I come in?
Umm... I'll get back to you on that one (probably never)...
1211  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Can not reply in most places here on: July 25, 2012, 09:38:51 PM
The five posts can be made anywhere you can post.
1212  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Choose: Walk The Plank or Keelhaul on: July 25, 2012, 09:34:33 PM

Oh, good. I'm glad to hear it. I just hope that you weren't misled with planted information, of which there is potentially plenty. For example, did you know that you don't have to verify your identity to form a LLC in Texas?

As I said to Ripper234, I am the fake patrickharnett.  (that was simply to prove the point you couldn't prove the point)
Either way, we'll know how this will play out shortly. If you think you have proof that you know that he is who we think he is, that's enough for me. I'm glad that at least one person checked into Pirate, even though you're one of very few people that have.

I'll also get the chance to finally apologize to Pirate pretty soon, too, since he claims that he can prove that he's won the bet. Honestly, I really do hope that Pirate is legitimate, from the bottom of my heart. I'm just afraid of what will happen if there's a million dollar heist pulled by Pirate.

Oh, good. I'm glad to hear it. I just hope that you weren't misled with planted information, of which there is potentially plenty. For example, did you know that you don't have to verify your identity to form a LLC in Texas?

I doubt he "planted" those traffic violations on his record, not to mention other regulatory infractions back in the 80s and 90s all in an elaborate plot that leads up to BCTST.
I've never doubted that Trendon Shavers existed - that much was clear.
1213  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Choose: Walk The Plank or Keelhaul on: July 25, 2012, 08:59:38 PM
Hunted it up back in April, wasn't hard
Why does everyone say that, but then never reveal anything?

Because I know how to hold confidential information confidential.  my business is built on trust, and the work I'm doing in the lending section means that I hold sensitive information about other lending operations.  I'm not about to blab a whole lot of private details about people.

However, to spell it out for you - I did a reverse phone number lookup from his domain registrations.  It was simple to link Trendon Shavers to the phone number, his family history, and his wife looks nice too.  But I wasn't about to spread that information around four months ago because I respect people's privacy (it is now public), and he made no secret of it.  Trendon provided a confirmation when I asked him, and that was all.

Edit: and yes, it was part of the due diligence I performed.  As a counter example, Ripper234 did a lot on me too.  He even published it.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=92279.0
Oh, good. I'm glad to hear it. I just hope that you weren't misled with planted information, of which there is potentially plenty. For example, did you know that you don't have to verify your identity to form a LLC in Texas?
1214  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Choose: Walk The Plank or Keelhaul on: July 25, 2012, 07:30:39 PM
Hunted it up back in April, wasn't hard
Why does everyone say that, but then never reveal anything?
1215  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Choose: Walk The Plank or Keelhaul on: July 25, 2012, 04:56:36 PM
I'm the one who was "claiming to have slept with his sister", but that was a long-running joke and who the hell thought that was anything but humor? He's openly admitted (on IRC at least) that he doesn't even have a sister. Please tell me: who has actually, seriously claimed to have met him?
Far too many people. Enough for you to have qualified for a scammer tag when this all collapsed and you proved not to actually know his identity.

You just lost all credibility.
Really? Claiming to know Pirate's identity when you actually don't to convince other people that it's safer to invest in Pirate really does sound like fraud to me. Another word for "fraudster" could easily be "scammer".
1216  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Choose: Walk The Plank or Keelhaul on: July 25, 2012, 04:11:02 PM
I'm the one who was "claiming to have slept with his sister", but that was a long-running joke and who the hell thought that was anything but humor? He's openly admitted (on IRC at least) that he doesn't even have a sister. Please tell me: who has actually, seriously claimed to have met him?
Far too many people. Enough for you to have qualified for a scammer tag when this all collapsed and you proved not to actually know his identity. I've always figured that it was a joke, but given that nobody else has identified him at the time and the fact that you took it way too far, it seemed to be true enough. Thanks for coming forward with that.

The paranoia here borders on a full-fledged witch hunt, wherein you (and many others) see anyone who criticizes the weak arguments you have against him as being paid off by him or dishonest.
Huh? I don't know about some people *cough* Vandroiy *cough*, but I don't see the people that support Pirate as being paid off or dishonest, just ignorant. Luckily, ignorance can be fixed and I'm glad to help. People who say they know Pirate (as of this moment, but maybe not after Vegas), however, are absolutely paid off, dishonest, or being misled, as I have just shown.

That is ridiculous. If he admitted to me he was a Ponzi, or I had serious doubts about his honesty, I would not be lending him money. I may be stupid for trusting him, but I'm not dishonest, and I don't see why you'd assume his other lenders are either.
You are dishonest, but at least you admitted it before it was too late.

Now consider what it would take to convince you otherwise.
Sure thing!

1) An audit by a respected third party (or two).
2) A series of pictures of Pirate in poses defined by the community with a sign that says "I am Pirateat40, and I am personally currently responsible for X million dollars worth of bitcoins in debt". Sure, he could still hire an actor, but it'd be more expensive thanks to the legal liability that sign will at least appear to carry.

At the very least, as someone who isn't personally invested in the venture, those would be the absolute minimum requirements to shut me up, given the current size. My standards started extremely small, and have grown as the venture has grown, so I wouldn't call this unreasonable.

If this were anywhere but a pseudonymous internet, would you go around telling people it was a Ponzi? No, of course not, because you'd probably get sued for defamation/slander/libel (whichever one is relevant to the particular flavor you're going for), and you'd actually have to do this face-to-face, which takes something more than an internet tough-guy persona. Now, because this is a forum and everyone loves to be opinionated, right, and rides the highest horse in town ("I'm doing it for the good of Bitcoin itself! No cognitive dissonance here at all!"), anyone remotely associated with him is out to screw everyone else?

Get a grip, all of you.
Actually, I totally would. I've consulted a lawyer in the past about my rights when it comes to speech and defamation/slander/libel. Unless the law where I live has changed recently (admittedly, that's quite possible), this is absolutely the case for me:

I would point out you likely would not be sued for defamation.  At least not in the US.  Most people don't realize how (almost impossibly) difficult it is to win a defamation/slander suit in the SU.

The first amendment has (somehow despite the slow erosion of liberties) managed to keep the burden of proof very high.

Generally speaking (although statutes vary by state:
  • The statement must be false.
  • The defendant must know the statement is false or a reasonable person would determine the statement is likely false.
  • The plantiff must suffer a loss (one recognized by the court as compensatable damages) as a result of the statement.
  • The plantiff must be able to quantify and prove the loss.

The burden is very high.  Plenty of people accuse other people of running Ponzi and don't get sued.   Hell some investment brokers accused Madoff of running a ponzi for YEARS before the ponzi broke.  Proving all four elements is extremely difficult even in the best circumstances.  Lots of times people make claims that likely are slander that it would be impossible to prove.

Even then there are interesting carve outs like the Small Penis Rule.

I have no problem risking getting sued when I truly believe that what I'm saying is right.
1217  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Choose: Walk The Plank or Keelhaul on: July 25, 2012, 01:50:07 PM
I would just like to urge caution to anyone who may be taken for a ride by pirateat40 and who has the belief that they have security because they've 'doxed' him.

Please realize that it's relatively trivial for someone playing a long con to use another person's identity. Consequently: don't do anything rash. Please act through the authorities or at the very least act under the assumption that you don't know where the real culprit is. 'Trendon Shavers' or whatever your dox results are is just the starting point. If he is also a particularly stupid con man, he's your endpoint too... but I doubts it.

-bgc
Exactly this. I've been saying this for a long time: nobody actually knows who Pirate is. There are many people who say that they've met him/slept with his sister and claim that it's trivial to identify him, but I highly suspect that they were either lying for their own purposes, were paid off by Pirate, or misled by Pirate - potentially a professional conman - with fraudulent documents, or a combination of all three (i.e. they were willing to say they met him after they saw the documents and Pirate paid them to make it sound like they know Pirate more than they really do).

Absolutely no dox have been posted for public scrutiny at any time. Additionally, the fact that he avoids using MtGox tells me that he's not actually Level 3 verified as he claims to be.
1218  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best way to acquire bitcoins if your under 18? Harder than you think :/ on: July 25, 2012, 07:50:29 AM
Yeah, but let me throw out a scenario. Its 3 in the morning and I need some quick bitcoins. I cant go anywhere to get them except for the internet.
Buying bitcoins at 3 am using money outside of the bitcoin ecosystem is hard/impossible for almost everyone. Personally, my only choices at 3 am are an ING Direct P2P transfer, and Paypal (both of which you must be over 18). Few Americans would be awake, so ING is almost impossible, leaving just Paypal. If I didn't have one of the top 100 reputations here, even Paypal would be hard and/or costly.

Honestly, the best thing to do is to keep more money in the bitcoin ecosystem (not necessarily in bitcoin, itself, but maybe on an exchange) just in case. At any given time, I can instantly buy an additional few hundred dollars worth of bitcoins, just off of this reserve alone.
1219  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Choose: Walk The Plank or Keelhaul on: July 24, 2012, 11:25:16 PM
Literally the only way Van could "chance the outcome of Aug 14th" is if BS&T is completely shutting down on that date. This seems impossible, given that we've seen no signs of Pirate winding down his business. That leaves us with Pirate defaulting on that date. That being said, if you have funds with Pirate, you really shouldn't wait until then to withdraw, as you might be too late. Get out now.
1220  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: For Inaba & Аdministrations on: July 24, 2012, 10:17:10 PM
Unless you do this when you're 7 years old, in normal society,
this usually means you go to jail for a while and carry the stigma
of being a person to be avoided for the rest of your life.

Do you understand what "THIEF" means now ?

My (barely) two year old can't even string together complete sentences yet and even he knows that if he takes someone's toy without asking and is asked for it back that he needs to return it. I can't imagine that google translate has botched the translation that badly.
To be fair, your two year old wasn't born in Soviet Russia. Theft of organizations seen as well-off (of which the government is included) is actually culturally accepted there, according to my limited knowledge of Russian culture and this paper:
http://www.gwu.edu/~ieresgwu/assets/docs/demokratizatsiya%20archive/07-02_pope.pdf
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