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861  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Whitelist Requests (Want out of here?) on: November 13, 2012, 01:55:53 AM
I have promoted the Bitcoin movement on other forums where I am most active. For example:
http://www.hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=3017930
Screenshot in case of blocked access:
http://i.minus.com/irBaurCtKqeov.png
Proof that I own the account who posted that thread can be provided upon request.

Recently I have acquired a new interest in moving all my online commercial activity to Bitcoins.
After experiencing many disappointments in other communities where Bitcoins are not yet well known, I've decided to finally move to this forum.
I would like to be whitelisted in order to be able to post in the market place section as soon as possible.
Oh wow, posts like that are extremely dangerous to the Bitcoin brand. Before you make posts like that in the future, you should check out the public relations page and search the forum here for other discussions about how to spread the word in a way that won't get you hated and banned on other websites.
862  Other / Off-topic / Re: Let's nominate Chairman Byron Micon for BTC Peace Prize on: November 13, 2012, 01:36:09 AM
I firmly believe that Micon constantly warning everyone actually encouraged pirate investment, 'To prove Micon wrong.'
I don't in anyway believe Micon planned this, I believe his concerns were quite geniune to warn people away.

This leaves the big unanswerable question: "Did Micons' activities discourage more investors than he unintentionally encouraged?"

As we can never answer this question, I think it's best we leave any prizes at safe distance away.
Absolutely. Not only did he go overboard, he did it without any information. When you show that level of ignorance, of course people would invest in Pirate just to spite you. He completely undermined every single person that claimed that Pirate was a ponzi, to the point where we were called "Team Ponzi". It became dangerous for other people to even hint that they thought that it was a ponzi. So, with the detractors successfully made out as paranoid idiots not much unlikely conspiracy nuts, an apparent community consensus was formed that Pirate was most likely not a ponzi.

Those of us who had information that proved how much Pirate was responsible for and how no business model that could have existed in Bitcoin at the time to make that kind of money was even possible were easily dismissed as Micon-style trolls. Sure, Pirate's supported saw our reasoning, but because of their preconceptions of us, they fought us tooth and nail. Meanwhile, people completely new to bitcoin saw the apparent consenus that Pirate was a safe investment and never saw our arguments. However, if they did, it would have been clear to them that we were just trolling.
863  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Wikipedia: "Some criticize Bitcoin for being a Ponzi scheme..." on: November 13, 2012, 12:34:46 AM
I don't have a Wikipedia account, but I will make my point anyway (maybe someone else can have a go at it on the wiki talk).

If I am getting it right the essence of his argument is not whether Bitcoin is a Ponzi Scheme or not, but just that as it has been mentioned as such in an article (or several articles), it should therefore be included on the wikipedia page.

My main point would be: why would Wikipedia need to report false claims?  If people claim "(2*(2+1)) = 5 " on several news websites, then should wikipedia mention this, when logic and the correct application of arithmetical laws shows this is not the case?.  If I say "the sky is only green, always has been green and always will be green", should this be mentioned on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky ?

Yes. The problem here is that many people think Wikipedia, encyclopedias, dictionaries, etc. are authoritative when it comes to subjects they cover. However, that is not the case. Wikipedia articles are a compilation of several reliable sources and is the end result of all of this other research that was done.

If you could find a significant number of new sites, published articles, and the like that aren't overwhelmingly disproved by even more reliable sources, then you absolutely can say that "(2*(2+1)) = 5" and that the sky is green. In a large majority of cases, this works just fine.

If the claim can be logically debunked by looking at the definition or properties of a Ponzi scheme, it has no place in the article.

If the media is calling it a ponzi scheme, then this is clearly a common misunderstanding. So, if it's not a ponzi scheme, you would expect an overwhelming amount of articles to at least point out this error for the sake of their readers. Find those sources, and this problem goes away.
864  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Whitelist Requests (Want out of here?) on: November 12, 2012, 10:25:47 PM
witherworth: OK
ZIGGAP: OK
johnniewalker: OK
BitterLemons: OK
omnibrain: OK
cosmicboy: OK
liorh: OK
zapsoda: OK

Note: I did not verify zapsoda's OTC account. zapsoda was whitelisted on other grounds.
865  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: Two HIS 6990 on: November 12, 2012, 09:26:28 PM
Trader Joe,

You know, if you stopped trolling in your own threads and started accepting escrow, people might actually be willing to buy from you. Consider this an official warning to stop with the trolling. Next time it might be a ban. Oh, and same with bumping more than once every 24 hours. We don't allow that, yet I saw you doing it. Stop it.

I understand this. Unfortunately for you thats not how it works. Under all other normal circumstances if you want goods you must pay for them first. The risk is on the buyer. Thats why they say buyer beware. You guys here want to turn that around and put the risk on the seller. If you find people that are willing to do this god bless you all. I choose to do it the other way. Payment first or no toys from me.
Under normal circumstances, people use a credit card to buy goods. Credit card payments are done through escrow. Sure, from the outside it doesn't look that way, but that's exactly how it works internally. Why should buying from you be a special exception?
866  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS] Honey Caramels **BITCOIN FRIDAY** 20% Off Fri & Sat on: November 09, 2012, 05:40:08 AM
Quote
Order has been paid in full.
Grin
867  Bitcoin / Important Announcements / Today (Nov. 9) is Bitcoin Friday - Black Friday for Bitcoin Businesses on: November 09, 2012, 03:14:40 AM
In case you didn't hear about it in the media, today is Bitcoin Friday - The Black Friday for Bitcoin Businesses. With over 65 merchants, including some of the biggest names in bitcoin, this is too big for bitcoiners to not at least check out:

Black Friday just got 3% cheaper.

This November 9th, 2012, over 25 Bitcoin Merchants are hosting sales. Major sales in an attempt to introduce more consumers to Bitcoin and invigorate existing consumer spending. With news reports of 78% of bitcoins not being spent, we need to do *something*.

If you'd like to help, please give me some feedback, or post our promotion images: http://bitcoinfriday.com/promote.html

Thank you!

-Jon

Site is here: http://bitcoinfriday.com
868  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: mtgox codes - be quick on: November 09, 2012, 01:18:26 AM
Well, in the spirit of giving, I shall give back the two codes I took, but with much more than before.

MTGOX-BTC-VCWJJ-MR2K9-WJHSU-AB9C4
MTGOX-BTC-S4ZWB-JTE97-UNFWM-60BE2
869  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: mtgox codes - be quick on: November 09, 2012, 01:10:48 AM
Huh, they actually work. Don't worry, I only claimed two just to check. (MtGox was laggy, so I didn't see that the first one worked)
870  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Disputes and drama from the BTCFPGA thread on: November 08, 2012, 11:26:14 PM
Why I'm even bothering to respond, I don't really know. But, against my better judgement...
Who wants to bet this posting gets removed?
I wouldn't be surprised, given its content.

@ gmaxwell, you dishonorable, rumor fomenting, pathological liar. gmaxwell, you changed the thread name to 'BFL's shills' when I made a comment to you saying I didn't agree with it's name. You changed the thread name again I suppose because it showed how hypocritical you are. If you didn't change the thread name, which I believe is unlikely, then the moderator that did should come forward and say it was them that changed the thread name to 'BFL's shills'.
I believe that was me. I initially split off some posts from the BTCFPGA thread and called it "BFL's shills". Then, I noticed that the content there was a direct continuation of the content here, so I merged the threads. The renaming must have happened during the merge, although I don't see how it isn't an accurate description of the thread...

Let me ask the community a question. If the average attorney charges $500 per hour and it takes five minutes to check a P.O. box, would you pay $41.66 per day, $833.33 per month or would you just use a mail forwarding service at your post office costing $15.25 per week?
I would absolutely pay the attorney instead of using a mail forwarding service, because mail forwarding services wouldn't respond to the letters in strongly-worded legalese on my behalf and provide legal advice about what to do about the letter, especially since the only mail going there is related to a legal issue.
871  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS] Honey Caramels on: November 08, 2012, 08:03:31 PM
Thursday (tomorrow) night we will post our Bitcoin Friday Specials...
Oh hell yes!
872  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scammer tag: PatrickHarnett on: November 07, 2012, 02:09:07 AM
I don't think that the 'we both made a mistake' idea is helpful here. Obviously they both made a mistake.

Joel. I'd be fine with this if it was always transparent who made a mistake. However, courts cannot figure this out in most cases. Thus you make simple, predictable rules that assign responsibility independent of who is at fault. That is what civil law should be about (I think).

In other cases, courts can figure out who made a mistake. Then the court can assign blame. That is what criminal law should be about (I think).

In clear-cut cases you assign blame, in vague cases you default to simple, predicatable rules.

The simple predictable rule here is that the debtor is always responsible for his debt (at least before bankruptcy law)
Just to clarify here, the scammer tag is not given out based on civil law, but on criminal law. Thus, this applies to us:
In other cases, courts can figure out who made a mistake. Then the court can assign blame. That is what criminal law should be about (I think).
If we had a "default" tag, that would be a whole different situation, though. For sure, that would be based off of civil law.
Joel, your arguments are absurd.  If a seller agrees to sell 5000 pounds of cherries, but only delivers 4500 pounds, that is on him.  He either needs to make things right by delivering an additional 500 pounds, or renegotiate the contract (i.e., agree with the buyer to only sell 4500 pounds at a lower total price).
Agreed. So, if Patrick doesn't want a scammer tag, he should either pay back as originally agreed or renegotiate in good faith.
873  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Google's Magic Keywords Influences Results Relating To Obama, not Romney on: November 07, 2012, 01:07:46 AM
Conspiracy? Romney missing the magical algorithm inclusion point? Google's political beliefs?
Nope. Obama, having been president of the United States of America for almost four years, just has higher ranking content on the internet than Romney. If you do other searches after searching for Romney, you'll still see Romney stuff, as expected, just not as much or as high on the list.
874  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Reduced final-state blk0001.dat (with pruned index) on: November 07, 2012, 12:50:00 AM
I can confirm that I independently downloaded the blockchain off p2p, processed it with mkbootstrap, and reimported the orphan-cleaned blocks into a new Bitcoin and got an identical SHA256 hash for blk0001.dat. The dat file is trustworthy (and makes mine implicity verified too...).

I will add this torrent to my blockchain download thread, where I also will have a blk0002.dat/full index for blocks up to 206000 for those that want to download a drop-in blockchain up to Oct 2012.

Right now the torrent has three seeds and one peer.
This thread is obsolete. You'll want to check out this thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117982.0
875  Other / Meta / Re: Vote SaltySpitoon for Alt Currency Moderator! on: November 06, 2012, 04:04:36 AM
I would vote against smoothie at all costs. one of the most offensive people here, and would be an absolute shithead as a mod.
Don't worry, that much is obvious to us. According to my quick count, his posts have been reported at least 31 times. Looking back at it, I'm surprised that he hasn't been banned...
Banning would certainly not help as long as you easily can recreate an account. It's actually better to have them keep the account - this way there's a clear track record.
Yeah, that's always been my philosophy: only ban the people who are being disruptive.
876  Other / Meta / Re: Vote SaltySpitoon for Alt Currency Moderator! on: November 06, 2012, 03:58:58 AM
I would vote against smoothie at all costs. one of the most offensive people here, and would be an absolute shithead as a mod.
Don't worry, that much is obvious to us. According to my quick count, his posts have been reported at least 31 times. Looking back at it, I'm surprised that he hasn't been banned...
877  Other / Meta / Re: Vote SaltySpitoon for Alt Currency Moderator! on: November 06, 2012, 01:00:51 AM
What does being a moderator give you in terms of special powers?

* Can you see the IP address of posters and identify sock puppets?
No.
* Can you delete threads?
Yes.
* Can you ban users?
No, but you get access to the staff board where you can request a ban and theymos will review it.
* Can you merge threads?
No, unless you ask theymos nicely to enable it for you. This power is not usually given to new moderators, though.
* Can you lock threads?
Yes.
* Can you unlock threads that were locked by the original poster?
Yes.

You can also split threads, move threads, sticky threads, add polls, and edit posts/polls. There might be other powers I forgot, but those are the major ones.

Please note that the answers I gave above are just the defaults. They can be changed if people believe that SaltySpitoon shouldn't have certain powers.
878  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Whitelist Requests (Want out of here?) on: November 06, 2012, 12:42:58 AM
Blaksmith: OK
879  Other / Meta / Re: Pirate PMs on: November 05, 2012, 11:48:42 PM
What is the goal of releasing the PMs? 
Locating any misrepresentations or material omissions made to people, on which they relied to make an investment decision in any bitcoin securities offering. Almost certainly such a misrepresentation was made via PM to some people. With that information, the SEC can move in.
880  Other / Meta / Re: Vote SaltySpitoon for Alt Currency Moderator! on: November 05, 2012, 11:10:51 PM
I don't think that the global moderators read this section much, though, so it may be better to have a dedicated moderator here.
Yeah, for sure. I usually only come by here when we get a report or I see an interesting title.
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