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1701  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How Libertarianism was created by big business lobbyists on: December 07, 2012, 08:47:04 PM
art peace love liberal: About 4,910,000 results (0.61 seconds)

art peace love libertarian: 4 results, and then it says "Results for similar searchs" with about 1,120,000 results.

Ooh! A new one!

Your logical fallacy is...

This really is quite fun. Like playing Whack-a-mole with fallacies. Whack-a-fallacy.

Yeah, that's the first time I've ever seen a popularty/bandwagon argument used on an Internet forum, although it's a pretty common one to be used by my wife's family.
1702  Bitcoin / Technical Support / Re: Compressed vs. Uncompresed Private Keys on: December 07, 2012, 06:48:05 PM
Well, I guess I was the one confused.
1703  Bitcoin / Technical Support / Re: Compressed vs. Uncompresed Private Keys on: December 07, 2012, 06:38:20 PM
One of us is confused.  The public and private keypairs are just really big numbers, and are not compressible.  The leading 5 on a bitcoin address denotes a private key expressed in bitcoin's own format, with a built in checksum.  I know not what the others represent, but could represent keys expressed raw, or keys expressed in the format for the testnet.
1704  Bitcoin / Technical Support / Re: Why was this transaction not included in a block? on: December 06, 2012, 10:13:42 PM
Looks like it was included in a block.
1705  Bitcoin / Technical Support / Re: Why was this transaction not included in a block? on: December 06, 2012, 10:10:58 PM
Okay now I'm quite confused. is there a soft maximum number of transactions included into a block?


There is currently a hard data size limit for a block at one MB, and a soft data size limit for all transactions that do not pay the minimum fee of roughly 10% of that, or about 100KB.  Since the average transaction is about 1.5 KB, it'd only take about 70 free and low fee transactions to hit that soft limit.  Eventually, though, such transactions do make it in.

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And is my transaction even valid if it's listed on blockchain.info but has not had a confirmation yet, if it was a 'double spend' for example it wouldn't even be listed on there right?

Blockchain.info can't really know if your transaction is part of a double spend attempt or not, because such conflicts are sovled by a race of sorts.  When a transaction is broadcast to the network, it is received, checked for validity, and forwarded to all that node's peers.  If any node has already seen a transaction that spends particular inputs, any other transaction that it sees afterwards that attempt to spend those same inputs will be invalid, and will not be forwarded.  So what happens is the two competing transactions will move across the p2p network trying to capture as much of the network as possible before they meet at a front.  Once a block is solved, whichever of the two transactions that particular node saw first will be included, and the other becomes forever invalid.  Once that block is accepted by the part of the network that saw the losing transaction first, the losing transaction is droped from their transaction queues altogether.  So under such conditions, the transaction that hits the p2p network first has the advantage.  Right now, the edge to edge propogatin time for the entire network is only about 10 seconds, so it's a very small window of opprotunity.
1706  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitcoin-Central, first exchange licensed to operate as a bank. This is HUGE on: December 06, 2012, 09:11:42 PM
I give it two months before there are real problems between Paysius and their fiat banking partners.  It won't be their fault, of course, but this will not last.
You confuse Paysius with Paymium.
Sorry about that.
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Also quoted, let's check back in two months.

I'd love to be proven wrong.
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I don't really see why this would fail, there's business to be made by everyone, re-read all that has been posted about the MACARAJA v. CIC case. The judges had absolutely no problem with Bitcoin, they had a problem with Karpeles arguing that he did not need any license to do what he did.

We did our homework, you can never control everything, but we did what we had to.
I believe that you have done your homework, and I believe that it's perfectly legal.  However, I also am aware that there are vested interests for which any advancement for Bitcoin is a threat.  I am also aware that some of these vested interests really don't care whether or not Bitcoin is or should be legal.  Pressure will be imposed upon your trading partners to abandon you, for whatever excuse that they can conjure up.  Ultimately they will all conclude that the business that they stand to gain from working with you is far outweighed by the business that they stand to lose from other sectors.  Paypal is much larger than the whole Bitcoin economy, but they were strong armed to not permit users from places in the world for which the US federal government lacks influence.  There is no gain for Paypal to exclude potential markets, either; but that is what has happened.  You have just become a single point of failure for the Bitcoin economy in Europe, and aspects of your life are about to turn crazy and beyond your own control.  I will add you and your family to our prayer list, because that is the extent for which I can do anything.  I would caution you to retain a good lawyer, if you have not already, and set up a bitcoin address for legal donations, should things really start to spiral.
1707  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitcoin-Central, first exchange licensed to operate as a bank. This is HUGE on: December 06, 2012, 07:17:38 PM
I give it two months before there are real problems between Paysius and their fiat banking partners.  It won't be their fault, of course, but this will not last.
1708  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How Libertarianism was created by big business lobbyists on: December 05, 2012, 10:13:36 PM
Had the government not taxed the wealth that funded that research, those who produced that wealth would have used it for things they value more.

Only time will tell. The past doesn't necessarily corroborate your views.

Time will not tell.  That is the very point.  We can't have two versions of society running side by side, with a government control and an anarchist experiment.  Well, we can sort of.  That was the original idea behind the seperate soverignty of the individual states of the US, but we don't really have that experiment anymore.  Some people simply aren't willing to let the experiment be long enough to have a conclusive outcome.  It's simply against their nature.
1709  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How Libertarianism was created by big business lobbyists on: December 05, 2012, 09:34:41 PM
Did I get it right?

No. Try again on Fluorine.

What's your take on it, then, Mr Knowitall? Grin

It would be more illuminating if you were to discover the answer yourself, than to have it handed to you on a platter. So try again. What might Fluorine represent?

Haa! You don't know either, so you're fishing for ideas! You seem a bit fussy though. What could be more fundamental than human nature, such that it's required on "page one" of evolution??
Oh, no, I know. But as I said, it would be more illuminating to you if you were to puzzle it out yourself. Hint: the process isn't evolution, it's society. What might a government supporter view as necessary, but which, in the end, destroys the goal of liberty?

This is one of those analogies where one aspect is deliberately vague, so that different people can see differnet answeres and not be wrong.  I look at the 'fluorine' as representing something about governments that most people can't imagine can arise without government.  That could be "order" or "charity", or it could represent the regulatory nature of governments, and thus fluorine represents such dictates.  Or it could simply be the monopoly on force that is government itself.  I'm inclined to assume that it's likely the latter, because I also believe that the character Grover is a not very veiled reference to Grover Norquist, who has spent a career fighting the size of government in the pursuit of greater liberty (as he see's it, mind you), without really questioning the role of government in society, or it's importance to the end result.
1710  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How do we deal with an internet blackout? on: December 05, 2012, 09:17:33 PM
That's pretty much what a bitcoincard is supposed to do, but it doesn't have the memory for a full client.  An android app could do it using ad-hoc wireless or regular wifi and a piratebox as a hotspot.
Being an offline client like the one I outlined does not require much memory. 32 bytes for a private key and roughly 100 bytes for each unspent transaction output and 500 bytes for each full transaction, or something along those lines. You can go far with 1Mb flash memory which is nothing these days. I think we will see them within the next year or so if the market demands it. The tricky part is to make it sufficiently tamper resistant (not android phones) and cheap.

Oh, I don't doubt that we will see them in time, because they certainly do serve a role.  I think that we will see light clients like this that are tied to a trusted full client, whose job it is to load spendable transactions upon the light hardware client that are deliberately spendable in ways that do not require (or often do not require) a change output.  Thus allowing the light device to forget about the spent transactions, because it no longer has a vested interest in them at all.
1711  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How Libertarianism was created by big business lobbyists on: December 05, 2012, 09:03:29 PM
Did I get it right?

No. Try again on Fluorine.

Also the identity of Grover.
1712  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How Libertarianism was created by big business lobbyists on: December 05, 2012, 07:19:23 PM
http://www.strike-the-root.com/grover-and-annie

With regard to government research.

Except it's so wrong. It has been shown that the government will fund things that corporations won't.

It hasn't been shown to me.  And it hasn't been shown to you, either.  You just take it on faith, really.  In our modern world, it's literally impossible for us to actually understand all of the science, so we have to take some things on faith.  That was exactly the point of the story.

And who said anything about corporations?  There are other ways to fund research than taxes or potential profits.
1713  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How do we deal with an internet blackout? on: December 05, 2012, 07:15:07 PM




That's an interesting map, but it suggests to me that the  size of the geographic area that a particular border incloses might have more to do with the diversity of the cross-border Internet connections than government interference.  If one were to do the same thing examining individual US states, would the diversity be as high?  Also, this map almost cannot include all the pathways, since many of the smaller ones are privately owned by corporations.  This is pretty much how tor can puncture the great Internet wall of china, and exactly how we can reasonablely expect that bitcoin might be unstoppable.  It's not that those slower connections have to be discovered, it's that someone still knows about them, and deliberately moves to take advantage of them when necessary.

EDIT: It's probably got more to do with population than even geographic size.  Otherwise Iceland would be much better.
1714  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How do we deal with an internet blackout? on: December 05, 2012, 07:06:51 PM
That's pretty much what a bitcoincard is supposed to do, but it doesn't have the memory for a full client.  An android app could do it using ad-hoc wireless or regular wifi and a piratebox as a hotspot.

To be honest, if there is an internet blackout I believe there are more pressing problems than spending coins. At least for me.

However, let's assume that you have a secure hardware device with built-in radio, that allows you to communicate securely (short distance, authenticated communication) with another device of the same kind, and that device does not allow you to export/import private keys. Then you could do multiple secure transactions from device to device for days or months before finally syncing up with the network.

This could be useful in areas without mobile coverage, such as most of rural US Grin

Rural Area United States
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84 percent of the United States' inhabitants live in suburban and urban areas,[3] but cities occupy only 10 percent of the country. Rural areas occupy the remaining 90 percent.
1715  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How Libertarianism was created by big business lobbyists on: December 05, 2012, 07:04:25 PM
http://www.strike-the-root.com/grover-and-annie

With regard to government research.
1716  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How do we deal with an internet blackout? on: December 05, 2012, 06:02:44 AM
If you want to transmit whole blocks, you are looking at 1,000,000 bytes every 10 minutes.

Sounds like within reach of modem speeds but don't know if shortwave can handle that. Is compression useful or is it already compressed. If not already, it seems like it should crunch down quite a bit.

Compression is not likely to be worth it, and can violate ham rules against encryption.
1717  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How do we deal with an internet blackout? on: December 05, 2012, 06:00:34 AM
A commercially available digital radio with 'meshable' computer capablities, called D-STAR, makes anything that you've heard of so far look about as advanced as morse code.  A 50 mile, two hop, mesh connection while in a moving vehicle isn't even pushing the margins anymore.

Has there been much progress on an open ABME codec replacement?

Codec2 http://codec2.org/ is the open replacement for AMBE. Sounds (literally) quite promising.

Transmitting the Bitcoin headers on HF would be fun... It seems like the ARRL should be pushing hams to invest in a long-distance mesh packet radio network; even if it was slow, it would provide an incredibly useful service when required. Think of a new generation the radio 'nets' and Field Day setups for that can operate automatically, 24/7. Maybe it would get more people into amateur radio as well.  Roll Eyes

"Automaticly" isn't really what ARRL is into promoting.
1718  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How do we deal with an internet blackout? on: December 05, 2012, 05:59:04 AM
Isn't short-wave the radio that can transmit around the world? When my grandpa was visiting USSR from Ukraine, he brought a shortwave radio with him, and was able to listen to his news stations from back home.

All of this reminds me of those "mysterious" numbers stations that the CIA used to transmit info to spies. I wonder if the same thing can be set up with Bitcoin, transmitting the most recent mined block around the world every ten minutes?

Yes, but keep in mind that your talking about transmitters in the 10's of kilowatts using commercial quality gear and very tall, low angle biased tower antennas.  In order to travel farther than 300 miles, the signal must be able to bounce off the F level of the ionosphere repeatedly without losing too much signal to be picked up by common receiver gear.  IMHO, start with a NVIS setup in order to get a good single bounce.  Keep in mind, a 300 mile radius is a lot of area.  If I did that in my home city near Louisville, Kentucky; using commonly available ham gear and a max PEP of 1500 watts, my signal should be clear from Chicago to Atlanta.  The same setup in Frankfort, Germany should be able to cover from Paris to Prague and Amsterdam, Munich, Berlin, Hamburg and maybe Milan.  It's not necessarily more cost effective to set up a full power shortwave station intended to wrap the planet compared to several well placed NVIS transmitters using gear at ham power levels.
1719  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How do we deal with an internet blackout? on: December 04, 2012, 09:33:13 PM
That's very advanced stuff, not fast but the features and extra software are impressive. Was pricing the homebrew options, GMSK modems are very cheap but couldn't find a price on Kenwood TKR-820's or equivalent. Any idea what sort of power consumption?

Power consumption varies considerablely due to a number of variables, but about 300 watts is your top end limit, practically speaking.  Range with that kind of digital gear is more limited by line of sight issues than anything else at greater than 50 watts peak-envelope power, and is somewhere in the range of 10-15 miles radius with a high mounted mobile antenna of decent quality, or up to about 30 miles on a roof mounted stationary antenna.

Again, shortwave bands make those ranges look like crap, but are bandwidth limited, crowded and noisy.  A shortwave setup using a near-vertical incidental skywave antenna (NVIS) has a range radius of about 300 miles in all directions, and PSK-31 can do this with a peak-envelope power rating of under 10 watts.  Slow as hell, though; but it scales up bandwidth almost linerally, so 50 watts PEP is about right for PSK-250 to that same range for a clear enough signal to be picked up with common quality shortwave listening gear.
1720  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does the US gov owns Bitcoin? on: December 04, 2012, 08:09:47 PM
1. Bitcoin use SHA.

2. The US gov owns SHA algorithm.
US Gov't property released to the public is always in the public domain. Incorporating something in the public domain does not transfer copyright.

Ok, so what's with US gov cryptography export regulations?

They consider strong encryption to be 'ammunition' under export law.  Rediculous, really, but it has zero effect upon bitcoin, because bitcoin doesn't actually encrypt transactions or any other broadcast data object.  The network is, generally, broadcast in the clear.  Secure hashing algos are not encryption algos.
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