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401  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What does the bible say about Bitcoin? on: December 06, 2013, 10:31:45 PM
Oh, and thank you and the rest of the mods for ignoring me. Without that complacency I would have been gone long ago.

That wasn't complacency, that was willful restraint. 
402  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What does the bible say about Bitcoin? on: December 06, 2013, 06:36:57 PM
No, Bitcoin doesn't have to be the mark in it's current form. The successor to Bitcoin could be. Come on Moonshadow, you know coercion will be a part of it just as coercion through groupthink is used on this forum to steer non believers into the gospel/doctrine of Bitcoin.


Peer pressure, whatever you call it, is not coercion.  Coercion is the use of force, as in enforcement of monetary laws.  The general opinion of a (largely) anonymous forum, whether or not you agree with that "groupthink" (it's called Bitcointalk, after all.  There's obviously a bias.), is not force.  All they can do is ignore your commentary.  Which happens to be what most of us do to you, Question.

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 Control of commerce has been relevant to every government since the dawn of man it's not specific to the ancient Roman Empire.


That's the great innovation of bitcoin, as mass adoption of bitcoin would make government control of commerce much more difficult than it already is.  That is no small thing.

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 I don't believe any of this bullshit either but I bet there are tens of thousands of Christians that I could convince. You are a unique believer in that you are not swayed by every wind of doctrine and don't take the sermon from the pulpit literally. Many do.

Oh, I know that.  A great many of those same people consider me a heretic as well.
403  Economy / Economics / Re: the huge Problem that most people doesn't really understand on: December 06, 2013, 06:13:28 PM
When you start wondering about what AnonyMint really thinks , you're on the path to madness Smiley

The truth here scares me.
404  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who is Satoshi Nakamoto? on: December 06, 2013, 05:48:24 PM
I know I really shouldn't be doing this, but....

http://iang.org/papers/fc7.html

I wonder if anyone has bothered to ask Ian Grigg if he is, or has knowledge of, Satoshi Nakamoto.  It seems obvious to me that Satoshi must have read his works, at a minimum.

did Satoshi cite him in the whitepaper? is it plagiarism to reuse your own thoughts in a later work? some argue yes Smiley

Plagiarism is an impossibility in a libertarian worldview.  It might be polite to cite this paper, but it's not a crime to fail to do so.
405  Economy / Economics / Re: the huge Problem that most people doesn't really understand on: December 06, 2013, 05:46:17 PM
As long as you're working or earning money in some form, your salary should adjust for inflation so an annual rate of inflation of 3% or whatnot shouldn't be a problem. Of course, you also don't want to hold all your money in a savings account or your checking account, that's why it's a good idea to invest in a portfolio of stocks and bonds. Historical returns of these assets have outpaced inflation considerably, even if it misses the mark on the occasional year or two. If people are unable to save any money throughout a lifetime of working, then I'm sorry, but it's not the fault of inflation. It's a matter of personal saving.

that is the exact horse shit I am talking about, take time and think about it, they keep doing the same shit over and over and all over again, prices goes up 10% and they raise the minimum wage 3% to give you the illusion that they are fixing problems....

Minimum wage is part of the problem.

Fixing the fast-food strike

Monetary debasement is both necessary and good.

You are clueless and I am not going to explain it.

AnonyMint, you are a strange jumble of correct and false.  I wonder how both Austrian and Keynesian economic theories can co-exist in your head without your head exploding from the cognative dissonance.
406  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What does the bible say about Bitcoin? on: December 06, 2013, 05:41:57 PM
I do agree with you that even Christians shouldn't take the bible literally. If you want to use it as a group of parables to help you make sound moral decisions that is less damaging than what people actually use it for in most circumstances. Religions that are used to pass judgment on the lifestyle of others are as dangerous to me as a dictator poised for war. Just as many lives have been destroyed or ended with religion.

I didn't say that I don't take any part of it literally. 

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In order to have Bitcoin fit into the role of the one world financial system it does not have to currently be an involuntary system. All it needs to be is a system that unifies the world under one monetary system. It can be perverted into an involuntary system once it's in place and the beast rises to power. Or perhaps it can be the training exercise necessary to teach the world how to use a one world financial system and be replaced with something similar in the near future.  

Since that is an impossibility without coercion, the rest is irrelevent.  Bitcoin cannot be the mark; and as I already mentioned, I don't even condsider "the mark" to be an actual prophesy, so the interpretation regarding control of commerce (which was very relevent to the Roman Empire during the first century A.D.) is not relevent to Bitcoin, the United Nations, or the United States Federal Reserve.  It's Daniel that predicts the (repeated) rise of Israel as a nation with actual borders, and Enoch perhaps as well (in the prophesy of the ages of humanity).  I don't consider actual prophesy to be at all common, and it should be suspect (even th ebible itself says this) but I don't consider prophesy to be impossible either.  Of course, those same prophesies (both in Daniel and Enoch) arent' very useful except in hindsight, as the only thing that they are really good for is establishing the (divine?) creditials of the author to a distant generation.
407  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin "bumper sticker" mottos on: December 06, 2013, 04:14:07 PM
Bitcoin: What's in your wallet.dat?
408  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who is Satoshi Nakamoto? on: December 06, 2013, 03:16:21 PM
Are we any closer towards establishing the identity of Satoshi-san?

Using the process of elimination, which of these is100% out?

  • 1. Gavin Andresen

I'm certain it's not Gavin.  I was here when they were both still active, and the possibility that the were the same individual was brought up and investigated then, but they had notablely differnet English writing styles, and differnet coding styles.  While such a thing can be faked to a degree with concious effort, it's provablely true that Gavin was quite busy doing other things in life while Satoshi was busy building Bitcoin early.

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  • 6. Government


Which government?
409  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who is Satoshi Nakamoto? on: December 06, 2013, 03:11:42 PM
I know I really shouldn't be doing this, but....

http://iang.org/papers/fc7.html

I wonder if anyone has bothered to ask Ian Grigg if he is, or has knowledge of, Satoshi Nakamoto.  It seems obvious to me that Satoshi must have read his works, at a minimum.
410  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What does the bible say about Bitcoin? on: December 06, 2013, 03:01:54 PM
I have to ask you a question since I now know your bias. How do you rationalize supporting what could be considered the one world financial system that will come about at the end of days?
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"He (the false prophet) was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast (antichrist), so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand (private key?) or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number.


The mark is an involuntary system.  Bitcoin is, by it's nature, entirely voluntary and without coercion.  Bitcoin isn't the mark.

That's assuming that I beleive that Revelations should be taken literally.  I do not.  I'm a gnostic christian, not a literalist.  Revelations is better understood if it's read as an allegory for personal death in the context of the early church experiencing a very real persecution from government, written in a kind of jargon 'code' that wouldn't imply to those same government agents that the author was actually discussing current or near term events.  The 'mark' or 'number of the beast' (666) happens to match the written character consents of the full name of the Roman emperor of the time, and that was a trick of identification that would have been somewhat familiar to Christian Jews at the time.  In short, I don't agree that Revelations was actually prophetic, but was a mass communications tool that was deliberately disguised to appear prophetic.  I would consider the (Expanded) Book of Daniel and the Book of Enoch to be the most prophetic of the books of the Bible, and I don't consider the Bible to be complete without the Apocrypha taken into consideration, dispite their dubious authorship and difficult read.  Nor do I consider all the books of the canon to be of equal value, as I think that each should be considered individually.  This is what makes me 'gnostic' (in search of the knowledge), and means that I don't believe in the Doctrine of Divine Preservation.  To me, each book, it's authorship, history and translatoins stand alone.
411  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What does the bible say about Bitcoin? on: December 06, 2013, 06:00:15 AM

Nuclear Winter

Jesus stars in Fallout 4.

Fallout 4: The Second Coming...

"I come not with peace, but with the sword..."
412  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What does the bible say about Bitcoin? on: December 06, 2013, 04:31:47 AM
Believing a report from a credible source, on a fact that does not violate reproducible laws of nature is not the same as believing a report from an anonymous source, that does violate reproducible laws of nature.


Believe what you wish.

I was not trying to be antagonistic.


Neither was I, but your (apparent) belief that reproducible laws of nature are immutible and/or that our understanding of said laws of nature are sufficiently complete simply supports my point.  You have faith that your worldview is correct.  You have to, for if you did not, the cognative dissonance you would regularly encounter will either require you to alter your worldview till the stress of such cognative dissonance is below your cronic threshhold; or simply drive you to madness.
413  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I fell on this, would it be accurate on: December 06, 2013, 04:26:26 AM
From the article...

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Conclusions
We believe Bitcoin could become a major means of payment for e-commerce and
may emerge as a serious competitor to traditional money-transfer providers. As a
medium of exchange, Bitcoin has clear potential for growth, in our view.
There is much speculation that Bitcoin may help avoid high taxes, capital
controls, and confiscation. The correlation between CNY's share of volume of all
Bitcoin exchanges and price of Bitcoin is rising. That said, the fact that all Bitcoin
transactions are publically available and that every Bitcoin has a unique
transaction history that cannot be altered may ultimately limit its use in the black
market/underworld.
Bitcoin’s role as a store of value can compromise its viability as a medium of
exchange. Its high volatility, a result of speculative activities, is hindering its
general acceptance as a means of payments for on-line commerce.
Is Bitcoin a bubble? Assuming Bitcoin becomes (1) a major player in both ecommerce
and money transfer and (2) a significant store of value with a
reputation close to silver, our fair value analysis implies a maximum market
capitalization of Bitcoin of $15bn (1BTC = 1300 USD). This suggests that the 100
fold increase in Bitcoin prices this year is at risk of running ahead of its
fundamentals.

I think that, overall, it's an excellent assessment of near term investment risks.
414  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I fell on this, would it be accurate on: December 06, 2013, 04:19:55 AM
Wow, this is really well done.  Thanks for the link.  I've not read it all, obviously; but from what I've read thus far, it appears to be very well researched and a balanced assessment of Bitcoin as a financial investment asset.  Whoever wrote it groks Bitcoin on a deep level in the Economic sense.
415  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What does the bible say about Bitcoin? on: December 06, 2013, 04:12:14 AM
Believing a report from a credible source, on a fact that does not violate reproducible laws of nature is not the same as believing a report from an anonymous source, that does violate reproducible laws of nature.


Believe what you wish.
416  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Is it time to switch units? on: December 06, 2013, 04:10:39 AM
We can all use whatever unit we desire.  There will never be a group, nor top-down, decision to either switch or not switch currency units.
417  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What does the bible say about Bitcoin? on: December 06, 2013, 03:47:10 AM
It's as amusing to myself to dissect your jokes as it is for you to ridicule my belief system.
Ridicule is the price one pays for irrational approaches to truth.

Nobody has ever complained about someone else ridiculing their belief in the height of Mt Everest. Since Mt Everest is a real thing that actually exists, we can just go measure it. No faith required there - that's only required when you're talking about imaginary things.

You have a faith based worldview as well, you just don't think you do.  While I would agree that Mt Everest is a real mountain that can be measured, can you personally perform that act, or do you need to trust the claim of someone else?  What first hand evidence do you possess that the proto-planet Pluto exists?  That Nelson Mandela (who died today) was more than a fictional character, or that James Bond was not?  That Americans have ever visited the Moon?

The truth is, you don't.  You could have the ability to prove to yourself that some of these things are truth, but no single person could prove that all of them are truth.  You live as a lifeform for which a faith-based worldview is a physical and psycological requirement for any kind of sane or rational interaction with the rest of humanity.  You must put your faith in someone.  In whom, or what, you choose to believe in says as much about you as what, or whom, you choose to deny.
418  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What does the bible say about Bitcoin? on: December 06, 2013, 03:13:52 AM
Steve Jobs thought he was god.  Wink


If that were true, why did he spend so much money and time trying to cure his cancer; rather than willing it out of existance?
419  Economy / Economics / Re: the huge Problem that most people doesn't really understand on: December 06, 2013, 03:11:46 AM
I don't understand what you all propose for these problems? Yes, energy prices are rising, but that's not due to monetary policies so much as it is global demand and increases in federal and state taxation. You think a lot of families can't get into investing because they barely have enough money to make ends meet as it is, but what would happen if we switched to a 100% bitcoin economy? We'd have deflation, and nobody would want to spend any money aside from what they absolutely needed to survive. Companies would stop hiring workers and people would lose their jobs.

There's a whole lot of wrong with this post.  Please spend some time learning about economics and come back. 

You're actually proposing that a deflationary economy... would create jobs?  Roll Eyes OK, I've had my daily dose of comedy for the day. Thanks, guys.

I'm not proposing any such thing.  History is funny that way.

The 6000 years of a "gold standard" is funny history.  Gold is a deflationary currency unit; as it's availability during any given age is limited to that which has been mined out of the ground, but by comparison to population growth across recorded human history, gold is an increasingly scarce commodity.  At some point in human history, we moved from zero jobs to non-zero jobs.  Since this occured well before the rise of inflationary fiat currencies, then the obvious answer must be that the deflationary nature of currencies, at a minimum, does not prevent jobs from being created.  The realtively short history of infaltionary currencies asl tells us that the infaltionary nature of said currencies, at a minimum, doesn't prevent existing jobs from destruction either.

Perhaps, then, the evidence suggesting a relationship between the inflationary/deflationary nature of the common currency and that of the net creation/destruction of jobs is weak.
420  Economy / Economics / Re: the huge Problem that most people doesn't really understand on: December 06, 2013, 02:56:04 AM
I don't understand what you all propose for these problems? Yes, energy prices are rising, but that's not due to monetary policies so much as it is global demand and increases in federal and state taxation. You think a lot of families can't get into investing because they barely have enough money to make ends meet as it is, but what would happen if we switched to a 100% bitcoin economy? We'd have deflation, and nobody would want to spend any money aside from what they absolutely needed to survive. Companies would stop hiring workers and people would lose their jobs.

There's a whole lot of wrong with this post.  Please spend some time learning about economics and come back. 
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