Now it's about when until chipmixer will next in front after this news, how unfortunate.
If you are on the internet, like the EUROPOL said; "You are not anonymous." That's just a propaganda/scare tactic. It's not even that hard to stay reasonably anonymous today. The problem is when you get comfortable (among other things); that's when these people make mistakes and they catch them. I wouldn't be surprised if chipmixer sudenly leaves the business too. Come to think of, bitmixer.io used to be the biggest mixer and they left the business just like that, without a reason, at least not shared with the public.
These mixers really should public their code online. That would make it relatively easy for clones to pop up and someone with better opsec might pick it up one day. In the meantime, use Wasabi. absolutely true Lauda. I just wonder why Wasabi doesnt run on 32 Bit systems? |
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Bitcoin Blender is shutting down. Please withdraw.
Holy... Does this have anything to do with the recent hunt against some mixers by government agencies and the fall of BestMixer? I guess so. Who knows what tumbler is next. Well, the only left seems to be ChipMixer... Now let's see...  |
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Most "tumblers", like the now-defunct bestmixer.io or even ChipMixer, aren't great because they are needlessly expensive, you're trusting the service not to run away with your coins, and you're trusting the service not to keep logs. Maybe they're the best current solution for small amounts where lasting anonymity isn't mission-critical, but in most cases you shouldn't use them. Anonymity is very difficult, especially with blockchain-based systems where so much data has to be public, but also in other areas (eg. there are several known weaknesses with Tor). You should always operate with the expectation that any anonymity system you use will eventually fail you. If you're ever confident in your anonymity, then you're wrong. That said, there are two halfway-decent mixing methods currently: #1 - Wasabi walletThe Wasabi wallet uses CoinJoin in order to anonymize BTC. - Pros: Easy to use; fairly cheap ~0.15% fee; pretty good privacy; automatically uses Tor - Cons: ~0.1BTC minimum; with a great deal of effort and investigation, transaction analysis may still be possible, especially if you leave other traces; the coordinator could possibly do an active sybil attack against specific coins #2 - MoneroMonero is not a magic black box which provides perfect anonymity! If you use eg. flyp.me to buy XMR and then quickly sell this XMR on flyp.me again, it is blatantly obvious to flyp.me what you've done (if they keep logs), both due to the amounts and the specific Monero inputs used. In order to get decent privacy, you have to do something like this: 1. Convert BTC to XMR (using your own Monero wallet, not a hosted wallet). 2. In two or more transactions of random amounts, move XMR from that wallet to a different wallet/account. 3. Optionally, you can repeat the above step with additional wallets/accounts for greater anonymity. 4. Preferably in two or more transactions of random amounts, convert the XMR in your last wallet in the chain to BTC. Ideally, all of the above should be performed over as long a period of time as you can tolerate. - Pros: Possibly the best anonymity, especially if you're able to stay within the XMR ecosystem to some extent - Cons: You should use Tor with Monero, but you have to set this up manually; it's all more difficult; you're exposed to exchange rate risk; transaction fees may be significant Anonymity comparison between the twoBoth Wasabi and Monero can be thought of in terms of "anonymity sets". If you're spending some BTC with an anonymity set of 50, this means that an observer can see that the sender is one of 50 people, but they can't tell which. So someone investigating a particular transaction you sent would have you "in their sights" to a certain extent from the start since you're among the 50, but in order to prove that you sent it, they'd have to either eliminate 49 other people from consideration or find some other evidence linking you to it. Wasabi always aims for an anonymity set of 50 when mixing. Monero has an anonymity set of 11 per transaction. If you cascade transactions as I suggest above, then this multiplies, so after two transactions you have an anonymity set of 11*11=121, and after a cascade of three you'd have an anonymity set of 1331. The quality of each member in the anonymity set isn't quite comparable, though. Monero is able to hide transaction amounts, which is helpful, but I tend to consider the quality of Monero anonymity-set-members to be lower on average, since many are probably owned by hosted wallets or other possible global adversaries. See alsohttps://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/PrivacyP.S.If services like ChipMixer operated based on blinded bearer certificates, then they'd be in many ways superior to both of the above mixing methods. Someone should work on this. Chipmixer isnt expensive. Well BitMixer has just been shutdown, so no need to discuss about it. ChipMixer follows a completely different approach which isnt bad at all. Tumble with Monero isn't for beginners and it requires sometimes or I would say most time to go through some exchanges a.ka. "centralized exchanges". But with some effort, you can achieve it. I would say, cascade your transactions by not trusting just 1 "person". And it's possible to achieve some degree of anonymity with your habits and without using a single mixer. |
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For now I will close/lock this topic and unlock as soon as I have more coins to sell.
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May be someone can provide us a kind of "chipmixer calculator" ?
If someone hosts it I wouldn't mind doing that however, it's probably unnecessary... EDIT: If there is someone to host it then here it is: def possibleChips(min,max):
chips = []
while max > min:
max = max/2
chips.append(max)
return chips
def ChipMixCalc(number, min, max):
chips = possibleChips(min, max)
while number >= min:
for chip in chips:
if number >= chip:
number -= chip
print("You got a: "+str(chip/1000)+"btc sized chip")
break
print("With 0.0005 btc")
ChipMixCalc(0.5,1,4096)
print("With 8.096 btc")
ChipMixCalc(8096,1,4096)
print("With 1.024 btc")
ChipMixCalc(1024,1,4096)
print("with 0.053 btc")
ChipMixCalc(53,1,4096)
the last lines just test the methods (don't use floating point numbers as there are errors in python when you use a floating point number to 3 dp).
(Example output, with a random number) With 903.217btc
You got a: 4.096btc sized chip
You got a: 4.096btc sized chip
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nicer example: With 6.433btc
You got a: 4.096btc sized chip
You got a: 2.048btc sized chip
You got a: 0.256btc sized chip
You got a: 0.032btc sized chip
You got a: 0.001btc sized chip
Other random example: With 59.405btc
You got a: 4.096btc sized chip
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May be someone can provide us a kind of "chipmixer calculator" ?
If someone hosts it I wouldn't mind doing that however, it's probably unnecessary... [...] I started off porting your script from Python to JavaScript (read: adding brackets and semicolons), but messed up somewhere along the way so I wrote a little jsfiddle from scratch (you can use it in the bottom right corner): https://jsfiddle.net/Lk5u2d14/10/<html>
Enter Amount: <input type="text" id="input"></input>
<button id="button">
Calculate
</button>
<ul id="output">
</ul>
</html> const input = document.getElementById("input");
const button = document.getElementById("button");
const output = document.getElementById("output");
const minChip = 0.001;
const chips = [minChip];
for (let i = 0; i < 20; i += 1) {
const nextChip = chips[chips.length - 1] * 2;
chips.push(nextChip);
}
const precision = 8;
button.onclick = function() {
while (output.childNodes[0]) {
output.removeChild(output.childNodes[0])
}
let amount = Number(input.value);
while (amount >= minChip) {
let maxIndex = chips.length - 1;
while (chips[maxIndex] > amount) {
maxIndex -= 1;
}
while (amount >= chips[maxIndex]) {
amount -= chips[maxIndex];
// fix rounding errors
amount = Number.parseFloat(amount.toFixed(precision));
const node = document.createElement("li");
const text = document.createTextNode(chips[maxIndex]);
node.appendChild(text);
output.appendChild(node);
}
}
const node = document.createElement("li");
const text = document.createTextNode("donated amount: " + amount.toFixed(precision));
node.appendChild(text);
output.appendChild(node);
}(provided as-is, no guarantee for correctness) Well done guys!!!!!  Thanks!!! |
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It should also be noted that ChipMixer deals purely in BTC... BTC in... BTC out... There is no USD, $, Yen, GBP, EUR or any other fiat currency involved.
Also, given the volatility of BTC pricing, attempting to conduct transactions of "fiat amounts" (ie. I sent $50), while using Bitcoin as the medium is likely to end in unexpected results.
of course it's clear. May be someone can provide us a kind of "chipmixer calculator" ? |
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I dont understand what you mean here.
Issue is not confirmation of transaction, but fees (I paid around 4% fees).
How much in BTC did you sent? ChipMixer works with chips of fixed amounts. There are chips of 0.002, 0.004, 0.008, 0.010, etc... this means that if you send, for example, 0.0023, you will receive the chip of 0.002 and the difference of 0.0003 won’t be redeemable (acting like a donation/fee) simple because there is no chip of 0.0023 BTC. You probably sent something like 0.0103 and received the chip of 0.01, “losing” the 0.0003 (~$2). (These numbers serves just as an example) so where to see EXACTLY which chips are available? Yes this is what exactly happened. I can't see it on the website. |
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I tried this service today to mix around 50 USD.
I sent to the wallet provided and once deposited, I selected to withdraw all.
I imported the keys and I get around 48 USD, meaning I lost around 4% of the money sent.
Today upon creation of chips, one transaction got delayed because mempool grew up quickly. It left our transaction with much lower fees than others and all new transactions had higher and higher fees. We have bumped the fee for it and it is confirmed now. Please check your wallet. Private keys are already imported so Electrum should notice confirmation. If that's not a case, try to recover session using session token and reimport keys. If you still have a problem, please contact us by email and provide deposit address and/or session token, we will help. I dont understand what you mean here. Issue is not confirmation of transaction, but fees (I paid around 4% fees). |
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So i lose close to 6-7$ Depending on the amount i mix.
With bestmixer i lose less than 4$,and i think anonimity is much better on bestmixer,plus the unique code is really good since it gets me loyalty discounts.
Or you could just send 0.056 BTC, get the 0.032 BTC, 0.016 BTC and 0.008 BTC chip (as explained by DarkStar) and pay exactly 0 BTC fees for that. Keep the change (the $6-7) and buy a beer with it, or use a different mixer just for that, donate to your charity, whatever...  But feel free to use the mixer you like the most. Cheers. These guys should make their fees more transparent. |
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I tried this service today to mix around 50 USD.
I sent to the wallet provided and once deposited, I selected to withdraw all.
I imported the keys and I get around 48 USD, meaning I lost around 4% of the money sent.
So I paid 4% FEES
On your site, you are advertising your fees are "Pay what you want" also referred as "value-for-value".
So is it SCAM or how do you explain these fees please?
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May be not the best time to take a selfie, but I was urged by Themos to do it. So I just made a break and did one Thank you for confirming my verification.  |
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You can try Hodl Hodl it's a global P2P cryptocurrency exchange that doesn't hold funds, without KYC/AML. Furthermore, there you can choose any payment method you want or propose the one you need.
Binance would be a better option as it is one of the reputable exchanges in today's date and very easy registration process. Also upto a limit it does not require your KYC process as well so this exchange is worth in every aspect. Its one of the best option rather yet its much safer or less risky if we would head up directly on current best exchange as of todays rather than going into non so famous exchangers.  with that limit for sure it would be sufficient on most traders. not sure if binance should be the first choice. Since November they added this bullshit facial verification, which could also lock your Level 1 account and ask you to do that to release your coins. Doing so, I m pretty sure they will be able to "scam" lot of coins available in non verified accounts. |
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Hi,
do you provide Escrow?
I'm interested to buy one account, but seeing your status and your trust profile, ONLY if you accept ESCROW or you GO FIRST.
PM me if you are interested
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not sure to understand your service.
Do you buy my BTC or I pay you for taking my BTC?
Can you clarify this?
Is it instant payout? If no how long?
Who used already your service so far?
You offer Cash Deposit. In which country is it?
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For myself I'm certain that the SEC will pass a Bitcoin ETF in the long run. Bitcoin markets are steadily maturing, and mainstream finance is knocking at the door. Mass adoption is so close yet so far. And remember that more than 75% of the volume of bitcoin trading occurs outside the U.S.
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Yes I believe it is game over for anyone looking for a quick profit, but for bitcoin itself the future is great. The charts show that it is on a long term trend upwards and the ETF will make the line steeper. If you're looking for immediate gains then switch to altcoins and try to get lucky
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It's not game over yet and I think we will see the bullish market again in a few weeks, for now, bitcoin investors and holders are suffering because of bitcoin ETF decline that results in panic selling. I just noticed that the price of bitcoin depends on what news condition if people heard a good news about bitcoin the price start rising but if all bitcoin news is bad then the price starts falling. Like what happened these days.
So better to rely on what bitcoin news condition so that you know what will happen in the next movement because for me it's accurate source of signal to know if the price will drop soon or the price will rise again.
Yes thats true. I feel like the price could drop to 4K before going up again and it could take a while. |
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Stop spreading nonsense. Bitcoin will never end. And even if the price decreases, it does not mean it will be a game over. Bitcoin is still going to be number one cryptocurrency. As a matter of fact, more countries are recognizing bitcoin and more people will invest in it because they believe in its potentials. Added to that statement, bitcoin is unpredictable. You just do not know when it will shock you and when it will surprise you.
Nobody is spreading nonsense This is just a discussion - SPECULATION -. Don't take it personally please. |
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last year price @ this time and price right now .....  last year at this time price was aroud $3.6k but the price was rising up. We are seeing actually a progressive decline, which is really a bad sign for the Bitcoin. Of course its decentralized, but it still relies on Fiat at the end of the day. |
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It seems that after the news that the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) delayed a long-awaited decision on a proposed bitcoin exchange-traded fund (ETF), Bitcoin is keeping loosing value in eyes of investors. The probabiliby that we will face even large losses in the near future is high.
Do you think it's a GAME OVER?
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