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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: November 20, 2021, 01:53:02 AM
Its unbelievable what a bunch of disingenuous and/or delusional morons some of you are.  If mining were so f#$#ing important, then why is DASH in the top 14 coins when filtered by minable?  Being in the top of CMC has ZERO to do with who's receiving the block rewards between miners vs masternode owners!    60 of the top coin projects aren't even minable!    Stop, you sound pathetic!
2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: August 05, 2021, 05:07:57 AM

the finest crypto payments network in the world.

Full Time DASH Troll.


Well...seems like we don't need monero dick heads here anymore to troll DASH...we have our own.  No one gives a rats shit about your proposition.   Watch as this project takes off and your left in ancient history.



The fact remains is Tok doesn't respect the vote of the majority, like myself that voted for the change. Tok wants to be Over Lord and the sole view of DASH.  Here's an update bro, we are going to push to lower mining rewards even lower and we'll probably eventually have that change.  So if I were you...I'd pack up and move on to another project you agree with. I know that sure to Trigger you!

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3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: May 17, 2021, 05:46:02 PM
EPIC!!!

Well well well!   Look who showed up to the party.  The infamous Mr. White.   Its been a long time since youve trolled dash.  Welcome back is in order.   No need to lie that you were just holding dash...we know you've been hating in dash for years.  Thought you'd disappeared...guess not.
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 21, 2021, 05:01:26 AM
agghhh.  I wish we could just "BLOCK" him and get on with other discussions.  One positive though...he is single handedly pushing up the page count on this DASH forum.  LOL.  Tongue
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 16, 2021, 10:50:49 PM

Huh

Jesus...what is wrong with you?!?  Its unbelievable the lengths you will go to to contort shit.  You know better then ANY OTHER person here what moves markets and how the rankings have come to be the way they are.  

You are now on the verge of not only misleading...but out right lying and misrepresenting the real facts of how coin valuations are derived.

This then begs the question, what is your motive.  Months and months of complete dishonesty with a community that held you in high esteem.  Dishonest because you DO know why DASH's price has been till now subverted.  You have been here since near the beginning...and know the players and the reasons to why we have been stomped on.  And it, as you know, has NOTHING to do with some bullshit tokenomics mining crap.

Now...members of this community need to ask...what is your agenda, truly?  Why are you pushing this fallacy and what is your game?

Maybe...and I'd hate to think this, its simply that you need attention, or is it simply the actions of a troll?

I somehow think there is more to this whole dialogue you are pushing...and it will come out one day.  For now...members of this community have wasted enough time on your rubbish.  I'd recommend we move on to other more important topics like asking our favorite exchanges to enable IS with 0 or 1 conf.

That is far more productive then wasting over a year of this tokenomics rubbish.
6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 16, 2021, 04:43:21 PM
Looks like Toknormal has turned full goof DASH troll!!!   Roll Eyes

Tokenomics is rubbish.

The ridiculous argument that "mining" is what creates value to a coin... doesn't hold water,  only 11 coins in the top 50 are even minable for christ sake and 3 of those 11 direct rips of Bitcoin, one is freakn meme coin and the majority of the other 7 are centralized.

Anyway...we should stop engaging this fan of "centralized" control that the current mining model provides.

Having my money in the control of massive the "Chinese" government controlled mining farms is something I want to move away from as quickly as possible and this is what Tok is advocating for.

Thankfully...DCG and other more thoughtful DASH community members have voted this ideology away.

So please don't bother explaining away the MASSIVE hole you've dug yourself.  Your love affair with CMC rankings doesn't even support you basic premise.

What a fall for a member that many of us looked up too...only to become a bumbling troll.
7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: November 20, 2020, 02:06:05 AM


1) Argument by Gibberish - another example of fallacious reasoning.

2) Circumstantial Ad Hominem


Tok...you are now DASH's Official king of fallacious reasoning.  Zero evidence of propositions made, mountains of technical jargon and babble talk in attempts to make your points seem legitimate.

Argument by Gibberish combined with Propositional Fallacies for the win!  

 Roll Eyes  
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: November 19, 2020, 10:15:50 PM
I think this community has spent far to much energy in entertaining you hypothesis on this matter.  It is now clear that you have an agenda in the community. What this could possibly be will certainly be revealed over the next several months if not sooner.

I, like many others are very confident in our investment in DASH and continue to up our stake.

 It may seem to me that your ire and anger with DASH may stem from heavy loses you may have had to endure, if so, this is most unfortunate.  If you find that trolling this community and its devs and team leaders therapeutic then continue as there can be no other possible reason to you berating this community for the last several months with baseless claims.

I've polled dozens of investors, large and small, not 1 single crypto investor gave their main consideration investing in crypto to masternodes, second lay or mining rewards as an important part of their investment decision, not 1.

And these individuals are invested in the 100's of thousands of dollars.  

Only 3 have ever mentioned that they heard of masternodes..

Yet you are claiming that crypto investors are heavily considering this in their investment strategies.  Prove it.

    
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: November 19, 2020, 09:53:56 PM

Here you go again, willfully, misrepresenting what DASH is when you know oh so well what a masternode is and you know it is not the same as the Bitcoin node where I can run one without having to cough up 1000 DASH currently worth about $83K USD.

There are plenty of holders of $83k worth of bitcoin who do so without requiring an "uneconomic profit" to be paid to them out of the blockchain. Nor would they want to if it came at the cost of devaluation of their capital. Dash has no advantage there from simply having coins held in wallets. Its advantage is in being as good a store of value as bitcoin but with an on-chain service layer.

But that service layer should be valued appropriately. If it isn't then the advantage is lost and we simply use the blockchain to pretend that "something is happening" which warrants payment to masternodes.

You are the one who is mis-representing Dash by pretending that capital costs alone represent a basis for masternode revenues and absolve them from generating any economic benefit for the chain. I can understand how masternodes themselves can be deluded by this logic (turkeys/christmas) but outside investors are not.

This is incredible and fascinating...I'm going to prepare long form document on the sheer volume of fallacious claims and proposition's you have continued to make with out evidence.  

You have now certainly taken the seat of the most dishonest interlocuter I have ever had the misfortune of interacting with.  

Every time I've asked for proof of correlation  to you hypothesis you have deflected.  

DASH is in the 10 of minable coins and in fact is more realistically in the top 5 of minable coins.  You are purposefully misrepresenting facts and contorting them to feed your narrative.  You have not shown 1 piece of evidence to proof you position.  

I dismiss you premise in its entirety.

Please provide evidence...yet again.  Your question to me can in no way be construed as evidence of you claims.  Its irrelevant...

For transparency, are you a masternode owner?
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: November 19, 2020, 07:21:14 PM

Please provide evidence.

We are all very well informed of your theory, the fact that you keep making these claims does NOT make it true.


1) "...I cannot give you "anecdotal evidence" other than to say that if we keep doing what we're doing, we're likely to keep going where we're going which is now a 3-year near-permanent trajectory to the bottom of the mined marketcap rankings in terms of our early contemporaries."

2) "...evidence doesn't turn up in nice neat anecdotal packages where a specific traders say they didn't invest in Dash because they wanted to invest in coin, not masternode profits."

3) The theory is that Dash has only half the mining budget that our competitors do and therefore can store far less capital in its chain. The empirical evidence for that is that we've lost our lead and competitiveness in marketcap.

4) "The idea that the competitive deficit was for want of an additional 10% is ludicrous IMO -

5) " not least for the reasons that I presented previously that the market simply sets the reward ratio in dollar terms anyway."


Thank you for at least attempting now to being more honest about your position.

In item 1) above...you still can not bring yourself to being honest about our true rankings.  Fact, DASH is in the top 10 of minable coins in the marketcap. Further, based on my comments  above regarding minable coins, we should be placed in the top 5.  Thats extraordinary...yet you diminish this fact because it does not fit your narrative.  Thats being manipulative.  The vast majority of these coins have mountains of more brand awareness and out reach then DASH has.

On point 2)...exactly because no evidence exists and where no evidence exists, we throw that out as bad reasoning.

3)...being dishonest at best.  I addressed this in item 1).

4) Ones opinion is not facts and not evidence...thus irrelevant

5) Opinion? Fact? Hypothesis.

A lot of pontification....ZERO EVIDENCE, and a lot of half truths.


Tok...many of us in this community valued your insight into this space...and not always did we agree, but it was valued all the same.  This narrative and opinion you have been building over the last several months has been disheartening.  You have back yourself into a corner and that you now believe you need to die on that hill.  

I'm very disappointed that you have now gone on the attack...with not a shred of evidence and alienated members of this community in the pursuit of your hypothesis.

There is a difference saying that one has a hypothesis regarding something to stating unequivocally that your hypothesis is the only valid one and that the opinions and thoughts and consideration of hundreds of members of this community must all be wrong,

A shame.

*** Dash has many other reasons as why in the general non minable coin community has done poorly.  It has spent millions of dollars on useless marketing gimmicks, scammed and showed complete incompetence in its outreach efforts.  If suffered prolonged attacks from other coin projects in individuals over the years like Charlie Lee and coindesk and numerous other venues where DASH was completed shut out.

Looking for a red-herring or an exotic reason for our performance other then the very simple realty of our communities poor performance in reaching out...shows a kind of desperation.
11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: November 19, 2020, 05:49:55 PM

ok...thank you for stating your hypothesis, yet again.  Now please show evidence that this is in fact true, and the reason for the low value of DASH.

Again...Hypothesis.  A "theory"


You sir are being a very dishonest interlocutor.  in the minable coins on the Market...DASH is ranked #9.  

1. Bitcoin
2. Ethereum
3. LTC
4. Bitcoin Cash
5. Cardano
6. Bitcoin SV
7. Monero
8. Filecoin
9. Dash

BTC, BCH and BSV are  what they are 3 coins from one, Monero is a centralized manipulated sess pool, Cardano is also highly manipulated and centralized...don't know anything about Filecoin.  

Your dishonesty is becoming toxic.

You have spent months...months stating your "theory" with no evidence of this correlation.  We have a situation where the valuation is low, in your opinion, for DASH, you have presented a "theory" of why this MAY be.  

Now...please provide evidence!  I'm not the one making the claims.  There are dozens of other possible reasons for DASHs current situation.  Have you exhausted all of them?

Please provide evidence.

We are all very well informed of your theory, stating your Hypothesis as evidence is NOT evidence.
12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: November 19, 2020, 05:05:41 PM


The selling wouldn't be any different, it's the capital flows that would be = what the blockchain reward was spent on.


Please provide proof and evidence for this assertion.

Hypothesis...

Thank you for stating your hypothesis, yet again.

Now please show evidence that this is in fact true, and the reason for the low value of DASH.  

You are again engaging in fallacious reasoning.

Thank  you.

13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: November 19, 2020, 04:38:46 PM

The selling wouldn't be any different, it's the capital flows that would be = what the blockchain reward was spent on.


Please provide proof and evidence for this assertion, one and two that this is the reason why DASH's value is where it is.

Your hypothesis must be now supported with direct evidence that the premise is the cause of DASH's value at the moment to be valid.  Asserting it is not proof.
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: November 19, 2020, 04:28:58 PM
Tok has not proven his premise.

If 100% of the rewards went to miners vs MNO's how would the selling would be any different.  Many of the MNO's I know including myself save our mno rewards....many of the miners i know sell their rewards.  

The A=B because C=D argument.  DASH's value is the lowest price/performance etc in this space must be because DASH values MNO rewards vs mining/miners.  Stating this does not make it true.  

You are engaging in a number of Logical Fallacies here and you should be called out on it.  

Including but not limited to Strawmaning, False Dilemmas Slippery Slope as well as Circular Arguments - Petitio principii....and the Causal Fallacy argument.

You can claim your premise all day...and in your case all year and it still does not make it true.  Causality must be proven.

Many in this community are finding this behavior disingenuous and dishonest.
15  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: November 16, 2020, 03:57:28 PM
Ahhh yes, toks delusional view of miners, that they are these majestic and pure white knights of the crypto world, providing the foundation and security of what we all hold dear.

Rubbish.  In my view...miners as they are today are the biggest risk to cyrpto currencies moving forward.  The control of the total global hash power of the crypto world in the hands of only a few players in countries that are hostile to freedom and free will.  I mean what could possibly go wrong.

His insistent view that a crypto currency is only worth the value that it places on miners is at best dishonest and at worst an outright lie.  Yes...mining as possibly envisioned by Satoshi was fantastic ideal...that once implemented morphed into a cesspool of centralized manipulation that we see today. A colluding cabol of a small handful of players that control many of the projects in this space.

I for one believe in holding this power in check...and in fact minimizing our reliance on such a centralized cancer that mining has has become, essential!
16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: July 13, 2020, 02:38:01 AM



The split-reward mechanism isn't working as intended when it comes to competitiveness in the investment market blah blah...


Ok Tok.  Really.  Investment market?!?  You ACTUALLY believe that investors in crypto are investing on fundamentals at this time?  If you in fact ACTUALLY believe that and actually believe that there are those that actually invest in this space on any fundamentals then we are have nothing else to discuss.  If this is the case then you have an agenda based on VERY flawed ideology.  Up to 90% of the trading in crypto is fake.  Fact.  Majority of this trading is wash trading. Fact.  Of this trading only a very small handful of investors/whales control the market. Fact.

I don't mean this in any way as a personal attack, but the conversation throughout the discussion forums is that you have lost your marbles.  Pointing to DASH's market cap is disingenuous, misleading and down right opportunistic in supporting your rhetoric.  So you really want to "die" on that hill?   99.9% of crypto investors couldn't even tell you 2 basic innovations that DASH has developed...never mined what a MN or miner is or even extremely less likely what the hell our rewards allocations are or even what they do.

Please...lets try to be more honest in this conversation.

In the mean time...have a read of this.

https://medium.com/capriole/hash-ribbons-bitcoin-bottoms-60da13095836
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: July 12, 2020, 12:08:52 PM


******************************************

Fork it.



Finally we get to it!  DCG nor the vast majority of MNOs will not help "Fork it" for you.  I knew this was were it is going...as your beliefs are no longer aligned with the current path DASH is on, and this is fine.  These things happen.  I and many of the long term DASH community wish you well on your next crypto venture.  Cheers.
18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: July 08, 2020, 05:20:33 AM

And bottom line for newcomers is VALUE of their INVESTMENT

True and the worst of it is that prospective investors don't even need to consciously think about this stuff for us to feel the negative effect.

The Dash ecosystem does it for them simply by needing to draw far more fiat liquidity from markets than our competitors do. We require to draw both the block mining cost PLUS the masternode revenues on top which our competitors don't. Reducing the mining reward doesn't reduce that mining cost. Only a reduction in mining competitiveness can do that which is something we do *not* want since it would indicate a decline in demand for the primary supply in general.


Tok...I'm not sure what your agenda is.  This is absolute rubbish.  You have been making these claims for months now...and your proof is ..."well look at our Market cap, it proves my theory"  Your ideology on this has be debunked by many members of this community.  There a bunch of centralized shit coins and pure POS coins above us...that completely refutes your theory.  Your argument that if coin emission is split between miners and MNO's that the MNO's spend all their rewards vs the miners.  RUBBISH!  I've not spent at least 90% of my rewards and I know many others like me.  if the reward block emits 100DASH/month...regardless if it goes to miners or mno's or both it most certainly gets spent...miners on paying their bills by converting their DASH to fiat or mno's possibly converting it to what ever they wish.  god its frustrating watching you go on about this.  The reward system is GOING to get changed...DEAL WITH IT.  
19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: July 06, 2020, 05:20:56 AM



Again with the same line...I guess we'll soon see.  Wink   I'm not going to go through this all over again. You have your very set thoughts on this and many of us disagree with your analysis.  I have asked several times for you to explain some things and what I seem to get back is a word salad....so I'll just have to agree to completely disagree.  At this point I suggest you move 100% out of DASH and do it sooner then later...because the MN's are going to vote for these changes and your not going to be happy.  There are certainly members in the community that you could start a new project with.   I say this with no ill will, you've been a good person and you have been an great contributing member of this community.  But we have very very different ideologies...good luck. 
20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: June 25, 2020, 01:44:47 AM



Well...I think it's time for Tok to fork DASH and make his own vision come true.   I and many others do not agree with ur assessment and I'm very certain will vote for the changes advocated for by dcg.  Good luck with your new project....I will be firmly voting for RTs proposal.  Cheers.
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